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Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per
battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
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Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
"H the K" wrote in message
m... On 10/1/09 12:20 PM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:15:49 -0400, H the K wrote: On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K wrote: It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln. My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed. Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away. I bet your electric bill is going to be a lot higher too. They will also find a way to tack on some road tax as soon as these electrics become a significant part of the vehicles. Right now you are getting a free ride on that. If you are willing to drive a 2000 pound vehicle with minimal passenger protection, limited performance and no a/c you have some choices that do quite well on fuel a whole lot cheaper than a $40,000 electric. You can buy a lot of $4 gas for the difference. No A/C? Well, so much for *that*! I'll keep on looking. The 2011 version seems pretty full-featured to me. http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/vol...sandspecs.html I like the idea but I'm skittish about buying GM. I'd like to see what the competition will bring before I make a decision. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 10/1/09 1:29 PM, CalifBill wrote:
"H the wrote in message m... On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K wrote: It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln. My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed. Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away. Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours to get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking problems. Yes, well, since you have *no* idea of how I would want to use this vehicle, or where, even, I'll give your advice the usual consideration...none at all. A 90-mile round trip, by the way, would be perfect for my commuting needs. And, gosharoonie, I have electric plugs in my garage. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
"H the K" wrote in message m... On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K wrote: It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln. My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed. Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away. Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours to get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking problems. |
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"H the K" wrote in message m... On 10/1/09 1:29 PM, CalifBill wrote: "H the wrote in message m... On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K wrote: It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln. My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed. Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away. Makes a 90 mile trip. then you get to run the engine for a couple hours to get the batteries recharged. Cheaper to get a taxi. Plus no parking problems. Yes, well, since you have *no* idea of how I would want to use this vehicle, or where, even, I'll give your advice the usual consideration...none at all. A 90-mile round trip, by the way, would be perfect for my commuting needs. And, gosharoonie, I have electric plugs in my garage. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All Does your customer have a plug to freely charge the unit. And the 5 mile extension cord to make it the last 5 miles. If they made the VOLT a hybrid with a small diesel, would be a winner. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:57:53 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: If they made the VOLT a hybrid with a small diesel, would be a winner. It would be a Volkswagon L1 The VW jetta diesel in Europe may get up to 80 mpg, beats the hell out of any hybrid or VOLT we have here. |
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says... On 10/1/09 10:12 AM, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:25:38 -0400, H the K wrote: It's the new all-electric vehicle coming from GM. Runs 40 miles per battery charge, then a gasoline generator kicks in to recharge the battery and keep you running. Seems like a perfect commuter car. I am still having problems getting the money to work out. When you amortize the cost of the batteries across 40,000 miles or so and then add in the electric bill you could be driving a real car. These glorified golf carts cost more than my wife's Lincoln. My assumption is that we're only enjoying a temporary lull in the price and supply of gasoline, and that its price will once again climb to more than $4.00 a gallon, and it will be in short supply and rationed. Thus, a plug-in car that would cover *my* commuting needs would be invaluable. My farthest client is exactly 45 miles away. Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? What is the carbon footprint to produce the batteries that are in the Volt? A 2.0 litre engine has a longer service life than a pack of batteries and a smaller carbon footprint than the pack of batteries in your Volt and then you have to add on the cost of the "generator". The technology is interesting and holds promise. However, you have to break it down to its component systems and evaluate it at that level to determine how eco-friendly it really is. Who wants to buy a used Prius that needs a new battery pack? |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future? Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future? Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution. Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:14:56 -0400, JohnH wrote:
Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? Liberal aversion? Yeah, right. Only if all businessmen are liberal. France went nuclear because it doesn't have oil or coal reserves. We do, and they are still cheaper than nuclear power. Of course, we could go totally nuclear, but you explain to the American public the reason for the surge in their utility bills. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future? Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution. Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:41:04 -0300, Don White wrote:
I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'. As do I, but Generation IV technology makes that risk quite small. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor An example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_Bed_Reactor |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:41:04 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future? Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution. Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'. Typical liberal. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:48:24 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:41:04 -0300, Don White wrote: I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'. As do I, but Generation IV technology makes that risk quite small. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor An example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_Bed_Reactor More enlightened liberal. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:20:22 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:14:56 -0400, JohnH wrote: Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? Liberal aversion? Yeah, right. Only if all businessmen are liberal. France went nuclear because it doesn't have oil or coal reserves. We do, and they are still cheaper than nuclear power. Of course, we could go totally nuclear, but you explain to the American public the reason for the surge in their utility bills. Cap and trade won't affect utility bills? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote:
Typical liberal. Typical asshole. |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:41:04 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:48:47 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:35:54 -0400, gfretwell wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. In the long run, one of the pluses of electric cars is the possibility of getting away from the use of oil, especially foreign oil. As it stands now, our electric plants may not be that clean, but in the future? Single source pollution is easier to clean up than multi-source pollution. Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. I'd have an aversion to another of your Three Mile Island 'incidents'. Typical liberal. He's just a simple minded lemming, Googling for his master. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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"JohnRant" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H I think he was talking about you Johnny. I liked your old name.. 'JohnnyPreparationH' better than your new handle. |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:01:02 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "JohnRant" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H I think he was talking about you Johnny. I liked your old name.. 'JohnnyPreparationH' better than your new handle. I *hope* he was talking about me. I wouldn't want him calling you any names like that. Remember, a liberal's eventual response is name-calling, right Don? -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:30:41 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:14:56 -0400, JohnH wrote: Gosh, if we went nuclear, like France, wouldn't that be much cleaner? Don't you ever wonder what the liberal aversion to nuclear energy is all about? Could it simply be an aversion to problem solving? Liberal aversion? Yeah, right. Only if all businessmen are liberal. France went nuclear because it doesn't have oil or coal reserves. We do, and they are still cheaper than nuclear power. Of course, we could go totally nuclear, but you explain to the American public the reason for the surge in their utility bills. It would have reduced or even eliminated our "dependence on foreign oil." Isn't that a strategic goal of the USA. The increase in electricty costs would have had a real and specific reasons rather than redistribution of income via "Cap and Trade." I think I mentioned that just before he called me an 'asshole'. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:30:41 -0400, BAR wrote:
Liberal aversion? Yeah, right. Only if all businessmen are liberal. France went nuclear because it doesn't have oil or coal reserves. We do, and they are still cheaper than nuclear power. Of course, we could go totally nuclear, but you explain to the American public the reason for the surge in their utility bills. It would have reduced or even eliminated our "dependence on foreign oil." Isn't that a strategic goal of the USA. Depends on which President, doesn't it? I remember Carter's initiative to be energy independent by the year 2000. It was dismantled by Reagan, who believed market forces would take care of us. While I believe the money flight because of foreign oil dependence hasn't helped us, since Reagan, nothing much has been done towards energy independence. It's clear nuclear power will have to be part of our energy future, but I don't think it's a silver bullet. Lifestyle changes, conservation, solar, wind, etc., will also play a part. The increase in electricty costs would have had a real and specific reasons rather than redistribution of income via "Cap and Trade." |
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:37:30 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. I just bought a Nissan Versa with a 1.6L engine. It is getting better than 32 MPG around town with A/C and will get potentially greater than 40 MPG on the highway. I can purchase gas for $2.39 per gallon locally. I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly. Well, the main reason to buy a Prius is to have a nice background for your Obama sticker. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/...6445ddde56.jpg -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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In article ,
says... In article , says... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:54:04 -0400, BAR wrote: Electricity isn't free. How much does it cost to charge the batteries? And, how is this electricity being produced? Coal, oil? Is there an outlet at your client's office 45 miles away? An electric with any range at all will be using about 25-30 KWH of energy per charge (that is the typical Ed Begly home built) That translates to $4-$4.50 at my electric rate. A car that has the performance of that electric would easily get 40 MPG so it is maybe half to 2/3ds the cost of gas, even with $4 gas ... if you are talking about fairly well moving traffic. Where the electrics and hybrids make sense is stop and go traffic in a place that is cool enough to ride with the windows down. Then your "sitting" time is free . The flip side of that is the computer fuel injected engines idle cheaper than the old cars. I just bought a Nissan Versa with a 1.6L engine. It is getting better than 32 MPG around town with A/C and will get potentially greater than 40 MPG on the highway. I can purchase gas for $2.39 per gallon locally. I just don't see the benefits of electric or hybrids at this time. They are not cost effective to the consumer and they are not eco-friendly. what gets me is I have owned several cars back in the 70-80s that got the same mileage as we struggle for now... |
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Any thoughts on the GM Volt?
Don White wrote:
"JohnRant" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H I think he was talking about you Johnny. I liked your old name.. 'JohnnyPreparationH' better than your new handle. I never saw a post under that name. |
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"Roger" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "JohnRant" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H I think he was talking about you Johnny. I liked your old name.. 'JohnnyPreparationH' better than your new handle. I never saw a post under that name. How about JohnnyPrepH? |
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Don White wrote:
"Roger" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "JohnRant" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:16:10 -0500, thunder wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:12:28 -0400, JohnH wrote: Typical liberal. Typical asshole. That's more like it. -- John H I think he was talking about you Johnny. I liked your old name.. 'JohnnyPreparationH' better than your new handle. I never saw a post under that name. How about JohnnyPrepH? Nope. |
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