"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:18:42 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

I have the .357 model 60 J frame 5 shot.

A friend of mine has one of those J frame 5 shot revolvers. It's a
very nice little weapon. My youngest's back up weapon for a while was
a stubbie .38 - I shot it a couple of times - nice weapon.

Ruger makes a six shot .357 in a stubbie version - can't remember the
exact model number - I like that one a lot.

They are talking about having a renewable carry permit here in CT -
I'm not sure I could qualify to carry anymore. Hopefully, they will
grandfather previous permits over.

I hope. :)

I have the Ruger GP 100. It fits my hand the best of almost any gun I own.
I also own a Colt Police Special in .22 LR caliber that was a training
pistol for the Chicago PD way back when. Identical to the .38 except
caliber. Even has the department holster. That one feels like a glove,
too. Yes, the Rugers are large for concealed carry, but one instructor I
talked to here said it was the only thing to have, shoulder holster and all.
But then, he is just a tad more than weird. Short dick syndrome, I think.

When I renewed my Utah CCF, all I had to do was send a current picture. It
took about a week. Of course, I did have to stuff the envelope with the
required amount of $$$, too. I hope yours is that easy. Utah has had
controversy lately over their V-E-R-Y lax certification process and
instructors. It seems illogical that something as important as a recert
would not AT LEAST require a vision test or shooting test. What if a person
has lost a lot of their sight, or hasn't shot a gun since last cert? It
lost its reciprocity with Nevada for not having a live fire certification,
so now when I go to Vegas (as I do tomorrow) I can only carry in the car,
and have to carry pepper spray in the field. But lots of times, I do carry
my Kel-Tec, as it is still registered there, and I have a boatload of
relatives in the department. Some of the laws were changed this year, and I
need to get up to speed on those.

Good luck. No warning shots. Center mass.

Steve

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 30, 8:40 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:



On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a
human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot
easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, If I were you, I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

I did qualify that with a "maybe". :)

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

For a piece of **** manufactured gun you can drag through the mud and then
fire two magazines of ammo, yes, it is one fine weapon. Looks like the damn
things will last until you fire the bore smooth, and then just keep firing.
About as simple as a Model A Ford.

Steve

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On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:23:52 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

Certainly a fine boat defense weapon... :-)

Especially if it, um, "works".

PS, have you ever heard of these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

I have always loved the looks of the Mossberg Mariner. And that nine shot
tube under the barrel makes it look like a 12 ga. over and under, 12 ga on
both holes. A sturdy gun that will hold up to salt water. Somewhat. I'd
like one for home defense, but I have a 1974 Remington 870 Wingmaster right
now that werks fer me.

Steve

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote

I have a S&W 38 frame hammerless retrofitted to .357. I really need a
small frame revolver because I (1) have stubby fingers and (2) can't
handle large frame revolvers any more.

I have the .357 model 60 J frame 5 shot. I have a Safariland paddle that
I carry it on that is very comfortable and concealable. When I went to
shoot it at The Gun Store in Vegas, I got all signed in, and the guy
said, "Where's your gun?" I pulled it out, and he was surprised. It
actually rides behind my midline. I like my KelTec 3AT for just a really
concealable gun, and I don't care to hear any jokes or comments on the
.380 Kurz, thank you very much. But when I want to feel safe, I take the
Smith. At times, I like my Ruger P93DC just for firepower. It rides
pretty comfortably on my appendix in a Galco. But still, the 3AT is a
front pocket, back pocket, inside the belt really concealable gun.

Nevada no longer has reciprocity with Utah, as Utah has no live fire
qualifications when getting a CCF permit for Utah. So, I have to watch
carrying in Nevada now.

MHO YMMV

Steve


Just get a Nevada CCW also. I am pretty sure they have a non-resident
program.

I held a Nevada for about 15 years when I resided there, and some of that
for a couple of years now that I moved to Utah. It's a two day process plus
it's spendy. Just not worth it. I'm out in the field less now, and my big
jug of pepper spray and karate workouts are fine. All our work is daytime
now, and we rarely have to go into the bad sections of town any more.
Besides, things have changed, and now the bad guys just start shooting with
no reason, provocation, or warning. Best thing is tactical retreat.

Steve

On Oct 1, 10:11*am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 30, 8:40 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a
human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot
easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, *If I were you, *I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

I did qualify that with a "maybe". *:)

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. *He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

For a piece of **** manufactured gun you can drag through the mud and then
fire two magazines of ammo, yes, it is one fine weapon. *Looks like the damn
things will last until you fire the bore smooth, and then just keep firing.
About as simple as a Model A Ford.

Steve- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And it would be hard to shoot them wtill the bore was smooth, because
even with corrosiive ammo, the bore lineing is chrome plated. At least
it is on my SKS's

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:11:20 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 30, 8:40 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:



On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a
human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot
easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, If I were you, I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

I did qualify that with a "maybe". :)

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

For a piece of **** manufactured gun you can drag through the mud and then
fire two magazines of ammo, yes, it is one fine weapon. Looks like the damn
things will last until you fire the bore smooth, and then just keep firing.
About as simple as a Model A Ford.

A few years ago, there was a survey about the top ten weapons that
changed modern warfare. For some reason, the RPG and AK-47 were placed
10th and 3rd respectively. I would argue that you could make the case
for either the RPG or AK-47 as number one - tied even.

I disagree with you on one point - even in local manufacturer mode
where the firing mechanism, chamber and barrels are supplied and the
stocks are made out of local materials they are a quality weapon for a
guerilla unit or assault force. They maintain reasonable accuracy even
when abused. I do agree with you on it's ability to hold up under
abuse - you can fire the damned things until the barrel is smooth as
glass and it still shoots reasonably straight over short distances.
It's a combination of relaxed machining standards and the metal alloys
they use to build the business ends. It's not so much how they are
made as how they are used and in that sense, it's an outstanding
weapon.

The one who is owned by somebody who knows somebody that knows
somebody who knows somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) is Russian
in origin built in '66 and part of Russian military aid to the NVA. A
war souvenir and shipped back to the states in pieces.

Of course I can't "directly" verify any of that - wink wink - nudge
nudge. :)

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 1, 10:11*am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 30, 8:40 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a
human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot
easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, *If I were you, *I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

I did qualify that with a "maybe". *:)

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. *He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

For a piece of **** manufactured gun you can drag through the mud and then
fire two magazines of ammo, yes, it is one fine weapon. *Looks like the damn
things will last until you fire the bore smooth, and then just keep firing.
About as simple as a Model A Ford.

Steve- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And it would be hard to shoot them wtill the bore was smooth, because
even with corrosiive ammo, the bore lineing is chrome plated. At least
it is on my SKS's

Out of curiosity:

If you had your druthers, which would you choose - an AK-47 or a M4?

On 10/1/09 12:02 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:11:20 -0600,
wrote:


"Tom Francis - wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 30, 8:40 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:25:34 -0400,
wrote:



On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:00 -0600,
wrote:

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a
human
assailant.

If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable
an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate
their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a lot
easier. And
you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair messed up.

Steve

Karate is great, unless the other guy has a .44 magnum pointed at your
head.

Black pepper. I had a self defense guru tell me one time that for
close in mugging, nothing beats a palm full of black pepper in the
face.

When you think about it, makes perfect sense.

I also like the small personal Tasers. Those look like a fairly
decent issue to use - non-lethal and you can deal out some punishment
without getting too close. :)

Tom, that's fine if you have the pepper.

And Tom, if the .44 gave you that much grief, If I were you, I'd
seriously consider leaving the Desert Eagle alone.

seriously.

I did qualify that with a "maybe". :)

Somebody that I know who knows somebody that knows somebody who knows
somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) has an AK that, um..."works"
if you get my drift. He had it up at the Turkey Shoot the other day -
man, it still shoots sweet as can be.

That's one fine weapon.

For a piece of **** manufactured gun you can drag through the mud and then
fire two magazines of ammo, yes, it is one fine weapon. Looks like the damn
things will last until you fire the bore smooth, and then just keep firing.
About as simple as a Model A Ford.

A few years ago, there was a survey about the top ten weapons that
changed modern warfare. For some reason, the RPG and AK-47 were placed
10th and 3rd respectively. I would argue that you could make the case
for either the RPG or AK-47 as number one - tied even.

I disagree with you on one point - even in local manufacturer mode
where the firing mechanism, chamber and barrels are supplied and the
stocks are made out of local materials they are a quality weapon for a
guerilla unit or assault force. They maintain reasonable accuracy even
when abused. I do agree with you on it's ability to hold up under
abuse - you can fire the damned things until the barrel is smooth as
glass and it still shoots reasonably straight over short distances.
It's a combination of relaxed machining standards and the metal alloys
they use to build the business ends. It's not so much how they are
made as how they are used and in that sense, it's an outstanding
weapon.

The one who is owned by somebody who knows somebody that knows
somebody who knows somebody else (wink wink - nudge nudge) is Russian
in origin built in '66 and part of Russian military aid to the NVA. A
war souvenir and shipped back to the states in pieces.

Of course I can't "directly" verify any of that - wink wink - nudge
nudge. :)


What's the big deal? If you can fog a mirror and are sans
felony/domestic violence convictions, you can have a Class III firearm
transferred to you.

It costs $200 for the transfer.

At least a third of the guys I shoot with out in Virginia have full-auto
firearms legally in their possession.

Hell, just learn how to bump that Desert Eagle and you, too, can enjoy
the great fun of a really rapid fire pistol.






--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:06:54 -0400, Jim wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message
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Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.
If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a
lot easier. And you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair
messed up.

Steve


Ultimately, the pen *is* mightier than the sword.

You're killing me.

Use her.

Test your filter with her.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

Actually Harry, I'd feel very fortunate to use a pisol against a human
assailant.
If a person does not possess the confidence to face an opponent empty
handed, that person needs training. There are many ways to kill or
disable an opponent bare handed. Those who must rely on a weapon just
demonstrate their own inadequacy, although, it DOES make it a hell of a
lot easier. And you don't have to get your hands dirty or your hair
messed up.

Steve


Ultimately, the pen *is* mightier than the sword.

You're killing me.


Swords into plowshares?

--
Nom=de=Plume