Electric fuel pump
 

Well, i wen'tt o fire up the boat and man was it hard to start. Lots
of starter time counting p[umping the throttle to get it to slobber
around then die like I'd shut the key off. I got thinking , something
obviously want right, so I took off the spark arrester/ breather, and
pumped the carb, and sure enough, no fuel.

hmmm, I took the top off bowel off the mechanical fuel pump and even
thogh the little fuel filter looked "OK" i took it out and hit the key
some more, with no success. OK, that did it. I pulled the bowl off the
fuel pump again and sure enough I could see gasoline in the bottom of
the pump but obviously the upper part of the pump was dry. I would
say that the diaphragm an/or the check valve was out of the pump and
not letting fuel to go up to the Carburetor.

I called NAPA to see about a replacement fuel pump and they said there
were two different ones for the 3.0 mercruiser engine, and I'd need
the numbers off the base of the carb. Just for the fun of it I asked
how much, and both pumps were close to $200.00.

http://www.sterndrive.info/sitebuild...-fuel-pump.jpg

I asked if they have a low pressure electric pump. Yes they did at
$47.00 plus tx.

And it happened to be AC-Delco similar to this one.

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/pics2/4047.jpg

So I took the old pump off and fortunately there was no gas in the
oil, and installed a cover plate and gasket over the hole where the
mechanical pump was. and installed the electric pump and a fuel
filter.

http://www.firehow.com/images/storie...uel-filter.jpg

It took a bit of doing, but I mounted the pump and filter securely,
and used some old inner tube to make the pump more shock resistant.
Believe it or not, I DID do a pretty professionally looking job!

Secured the ground to the pump, and took the ign. side, soldered a
splice, wrapped and heated shrink wrap to the splice,and ran the 12
g. wire to a 20a fuse holder,

http://www.water4gasmfg.com/images/Fuse%20holder.jpg

attached the wire to the ignition "on" switch. ( the switch is either
on or off, so no brainer there. ) and tucked it neatly under the dash.

left the throttle in neutral position turned the key o, , waited a few
seconds and check for leaks... all secure, and hit the starter button.
the engine immediately started. let it run for a bit to get up to
operating temp. (135 degrees raw water) and check for leaks and shut
it off. no leaks or fumes. hit the button again, and immediate
starting!

ooooh I love it!

I installed a Pertronix electronic ignition a couple years ago because
I thought that had something to do with the rough starting and it
"helped" but still I'd had to do a lot of cranking, but it all seemed
to run alright. But now it's just plain fantastic.

I'm glad that miserable mechanical pump didn't quit out in the middle
of the lake with the nephews.

Now the disclaimer, I always carry a generous wiring kit w/terminals,
and a good selection of tools tape, and clamps. as well as a spare
prop.

These electric pumps have lasted over 100,000 in automotive use, so I
don't think a few hits on the lake will phase it much. I might try to
get a rebuild kit for the mechanical, and put it together and keep it
under the seat of the boat "just in case" But if I can't, I won't
sweat it.

Electric fuel pump
 

"Tim" wrote in message
...
Well, i wen'tt o fire up the boat and man was it hard to start. Lots
of starter time counting p[umping the throttle to get it to slobber
around then die like I'd shut the key off. I got thinking , something
obviously want right, so I took off the spark arrester/ breather, and
pumped the carb, and sure enough, no fuel.

hmmm, I took the top off bowel off the mechanical fuel pump and even
thogh the little fuel filter looked "OK" i took it out and hit the key
some more, with no success. OK, that did it. I pulled the bowl off the
fuel pump again and sure enough I could see gasoline in the bottom of
the pump but obviously the upper part of the pump was dry. I would
say that the diaphragm an/or the check valve was out of the pump and
not letting fuel to go up to the Carburetor.

I called NAPA to see about a replacement fuel pump and they said there
were two different ones for the 3.0 mercruiser engine, and I'd need
the numbers off the base of the carb. Just for the fun of it I asked
how much, and both pumps were close to $200.00.

http://www.sterndrive.info/sitebuild...-fuel-pump.jpg

I asked if they have a low pressure electric pump. Yes they did at
$47.00 plus tx.

And it happened to be AC-Delco similar to this one.

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/pics2/4047.jpg

So I took the old pump off and fortunately there was no gas in the
oil, and installed a cover plate and gasket over the hole where the
mechanical pump was. and installed the electric pump and a fuel
filter.

http://www.firehow.com/images/storie...uel-filter.jpg

It took a bit of doing, but I mounted the pump and filter securely,
and used some old inner tube to make the pump more shock resistant.
Believe it or not, I DID do a pretty professionally looking job!

Secured the ground to the pump, and took the ign. side, soldered a
splice, wrapped and heated shrink wrap to the splice,and ran the 12
g. wire to a 20a fuse holder,

http://www.water4gasmfg.com/images/Fuse%20holder.jpg

attached the wire to the ignition "on" switch. ( the switch is either
on or off, so no brainer there. ) and tucked it neatly under the dash.

left the throttle in neutral position turned the key o, , waited a few
seconds and check for leaks... all secure, and hit the starter button.
the engine immediately started. let it run for a bit to get up to
operating temp. (135 degrees raw water) and check for leaks and shut
it off. no leaks or fumes. hit the button again, and immediate
starting!

ooooh I love it!

I installed a Pertronix electronic ignition a couple years ago because
I thought that had something to do with the rough starting and it
"helped" but still I'd had to do a lot of cranking, but it all seemed
to run alright. But now it's just plain fantastic.

I'm glad that miserable mechanical pump didn't quit out in the middle
of the lake with the nephews.

Now the disclaimer, I always carry a generous wiring kit w/terminals,
and a good selection of tools tape, and clamps. as well as a spare
prop.

These electric pumps have lasted over 100,000 in automotive use, so I
don't think a few hits on the lake will phase it much. I might try to
get a rebuild kit for the mechanical, and put it together and keep it
under the seat of the boat "just in case" But if I can't, I won't
sweat it.

The mechanical fuel pump was used as a safety measure, even when electric
pumps were available.. If the engine isn't cranking or running, no fuel is
being pumped. Later engines use electronic pumps, but unlike a car, they are
wired so fuel is only pumped when the engine is cranking to start, or there
is positive oil pressure. The result is the same as if it were mechanical...
if the engine isn't cranking or running, no fuel pressure.

You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Be careful.

--Mike

Electric fuel pump
 

mgg wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
Well, i wen'tt o fire up the boat and man was it hard to start. Lots
of starter time counting p[umping the throttle to get it to slobber
around then die like I'd shut the key off. I got thinking , something
obviously want right, so I took off the spark arrester/ breather, and
pumped the carb, and sure enough, no fuel.

hmmm, I took the top off bowel off the mechanical fuel pump and even
thogh the little fuel filter looked "OK" i took it out and hit the key
some more, with no success. OK, that did it. I pulled the bowl off the
fuel pump again and sure enough I could see gasoline in the bottom of
the pump but obviously the upper part of the pump was dry. I would
say that the diaphragm an/or the check valve was out of the pump and
not letting fuel to go up to the Carburetor.

I called NAPA to see about a replacement fuel pump and they said there
were two different ones for the 3.0 mercruiser engine, and I'd need
the numbers off the base of the carb. Just for the fun of it I asked
how much, and both pumps were close to $200.00.

http://www.sterndrive.info/sitebuild...-fuel-pump.jpg

I asked if they have a low pressure electric pump. Yes they did at
$47.00 plus tx.

And it happened to be AC-Delco similar to this one.

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/pics2/4047.jpg

So I took the old pump off and fortunately there was no gas in the
oil, and installed a cover plate and gasket over the hole where the
mechanical pump was. and installed the electric pump and a fuel
filter.

http://www.firehow.com/images/storie...uel-filter.jpg

It took a bit of doing, but I mounted the pump and filter securely,
and used some old inner tube to make the pump more shock resistant.
Believe it or not, I DID do a pretty professionally looking job!

Secured the ground to the pump, and took the ign. side, soldered a
splice, wrapped and heated shrink wrap to the splice,and ran the 12
g. wire to a 20a fuse holder,

http://www.water4gasmfg.com/images/Fuse%20holder.jpg

attached the wire to the ignition "on" switch. ( the switch is either
on or off, so no brainer there. ) and tucked it neatly under the dash.

left the throttle in neutral position turned the key o, , waited a few
seconds and check for leaks... all secure, and hit the starter button.
the engine immediately started. let it run for a bit to get up to
operating temp. (135 degrees raw water) and check for leaks and shut
it off. no leaks or fumes. hit the button again, and immediate
starting!

ooooh I love it!

I installed a Pertronix electronic ignition a couple years ago because
I thought that had something to do with the rough starting and it
"helped" but still I'd had to do a lot of cranking, but it all seemed
to run alright. But now it's just plain fantastic.

I'm glad that miserable mechanical pump didn't quit out in the middle
of the lake with the nephews.

Now the disclaimer, I always carry a generous wiring kit w/terminals,
and a good selection of tools tape, and clamps. as well as a spare
prop.

These electric pumps have lasted over 100,000 in automotive use, so I
don't think a few hits on the lake will phase it much. I might try to
get a rebuild kit for the mechanical, and put it together and keep it
under the seat of the boat "just in case" But if I can't, I won't
sweat it.

The mechanical fuel pump was used as a safety measure, even when electric
pumps were available.. If the engine isn't cranking or running, no fuel is
being pumped. Later engines use electronic pumps, but unlike a car, they are
wired so fuel is only pumped when the engine is cranking to start, or there
is positive oil pressure. The result is the same as if it were mechanical...
if the engine isn't cranking or running, no fuel pressure.

You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Be careful.

--Mike



You are exactly right. Tim needs to install an oil pressure switch to
power the pump while the engine is running and wire up to the ignition
switch terminal on the starter solenoid to power the pump when the
engine is cranking.

Electric fuel pump
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:

You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 22, 9:46*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. * I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. * One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. * Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.

Gentlemen, all points are taking well into consideration. I have a
murphy switch and can install it accordingly. I will be installing it
a well as an ignition relay that will kill the power to the pump in
case of engine shut down. it's not hard to do. . I made this
preliminary post so that I could see how it would operate, and it did
function as desired. I'm also going to change out the key switch with
"Bat", "Ign" and "start" , and do away with the button switch.

believe it or not, I am more of a forward thinker than what some may
think.

?;^)

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 22, 9:10*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



Well, i wen'tt o fire up the boat and man was it hard to start. Lots
of starter time counting p[umping the throttle to get it to slobber
around then die like I'd shut the key off. I got thinking , something
obviously want right, so I took off the spark arrester/ breather, and
pumped the carb, and sure enough, no fuel.

hmmm, I took the top off bowel off the mechanical fuel pump and even
thogh the little fuel filter looked "OK" i took it out and hit the key
some more, with no success. OK, that did it. I pulled the bowl off the
fuel pump again and sure enough I could see gasoline in the bottom of
the pump but obviously the upper part of the pump was dry. *I would
say that the diaphragm an/or the check valve was out of the pump and
not letting fuel to go up to the Carburetor.

I called NAPA to see about a replacement fuel pump and they said there
were two different ones for the 3.0 mercruiser engine, and I'd need
the numbers off the base of the carb. Just for the fun of it I asked
how much, and both pumps were close to $200.00.

http://www.sterndrive.info/sitebuild...erpictures/MM-...

I asked if they *have a low pressure electric pump. Yes they did at
$47.00 plus tx.

And it happened to be AC-Delco similar to this one.

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/pics2/4047.jpg

So I took the old pump off and fortunately there was no gas in the
oil, and installed a cover plate and gasket *over the hole where the
mechanical pump was. and installed the electric pump and a fuel
filter.

http://www.firehow.com/images/storie...uel-filter.jpg

It took a bit of doing, but I mounted the pump and filter securely,
and used some old inner tube to make the pump more shock resistant.
Believe it or not, I DID do a pretty professionally looking job!

Secured the ground to the pump, and took the ign. side, soldered a
splice, wrapped and heated shrink wrap to the splice,and ran the *12
g. wire to *a 20a fuse holder,

http://www.water4gasmfg.com/images/Fuse%20holder.jpg

attached the wire to the ignition "on" switch. ( the switch is either
on or off, so no brainer there. ) and tucked it neatly under the dash.

left the throttle in neutral position turned the key o, , waited a few
seconds and check for leaks... all secure, and hit the starter button.
the engine immediately started. *let it run for a bit to get up to
operating temp. (135 degrees raw water) and check for leaks and shut
it off. no leaks or fumes. hit the button again, and immediate
starting!

ooooh I love it!

I installed a Pertronix electronic ignition a couple years ago because
I thought that had something to do with the rough starting and it
"helped" but still I'd had to do a lot of cranking, but it all seemed
to run alright. But now it's just plain fantastic.

I'm glad that miserable mechanical pump didn't quit out in the middle
of the lake with the nephews.

Now the disclaimer, *I always carry a generous wiring kit w/terminals,
and a good selection of tools tape, and clamps. as well as a spare
prop.

These electric pumps have lasted over 100,000 in automotive use, so I
don't think a few hits on the lake will phase it much. *I might try to
get a rebuild kit for the mechanical, and put it together and keep it
under the seat of the boat "just in case" *But if I can't, I won't
sweat it.

My personal observations, but what the heck.....

I would never... repeat, NEVER use an electric fuel pump on a boat. I
don't think they are a good idea on an automobile, either... but a
boat? *holy crap..... (read this.... when the engine stops, the fuel
REALLY needs to stop, too.)

I would NEVER make a soldered connection on any sort of junction that
*might* be subject to vibration and/or movement.

Fuel + spark = OMG.....

I'm glad that you diagnosed the problem correctly. Your fix would, 30
miles off shore, scare the sh*t out of me.....
--
Thank you Gene, I soldered the wire to make a good bond, and shrink
wrapped the connection to not only protect it fro elements, vibration
but also for spark arresting purposes. Of course I could have used a
wing nut, scotch-lok, or a generous supply of "mexican solder
" (black tape) over twisted wire.

Believe me, I have much more faith in my soldering methods than I do
in many of my customers hack and 'get by' noodlings I see on cars and
tractors on a near daily basis.

And for the lake boating I do, I don't think I'll have to worry about
being out 30 miles.

Electric fuel pump
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 22, 9:46*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. * I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. * One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. * Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.

Gentlemen, all points are taking well into consideration. I have a
murphy switch and can install it accordingly. I will be installing it
a well as an ignition relay that will kill the power to the pump in
case of engine shut down. it's not hard to do. . I made this
preliminary post so that I could see how it would operate, and it did
function as desired. I'm also going to change out the key switch with
"Bat", "Ign" and "start" , and do away with the button switch.

believe it or not, I am more of a forward thinker than what some may
think.

?;^)

Well, I'm impressed with the whole project. Yes, there are some safety
issues to be overcome, but you'll do that.

Me, I would have put the boat in the marina and said, 'Charlie, fix
it.'
--

John H

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 23, 5:07*am, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Sep 22, 9:46*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.

Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. * I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. * One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. * Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.

Gentlemen, all points are taking well into consideration. I have a
murphy switch and can install it accordingly. I will be installing it
a well as an ignition relay that will kill the power to the pump in
case of engine shut down. it's not hard to do. . I made this
preliminary post so that I could see how it would operate, and it did
function as desired. I'm also going to change out *the key switch with
"Bat", "Ign" and "start" , and do away with the button switch.

believe it or not, I am more of a forward thinker than what some may
think.

?;^)

Well, I'm impressed with the whole project. Yes, there are some safety
issues to be overcome, but you'll do that.


--

John H

Yes, in the primitive sense there are some safety issues, but they're
really not hard to over come. In fact, the way it is set up now,
would probably be fine with no incident happening, but the safety
measures are worth the little bit of effort.

Me, I would have put the boat in the marina and said, 'Charlie, fix
it.'

LOL!

I know. That's why every day I go to work, and you go to the golf
course.

Electric fuel pump
 

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 22, 9:46 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.
Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.
Gentlemen, all points are taking well into consideration. I have a
murphy switch and can install it accordingly. I will be installing it
a well as an ignition relay that will kill the power to the pump in
case of engine shut down. it's not hard to do. . I made this
preliminary post so that I could see how it would operate, and it did
function as desired. I'm also going to change out the key switch with
"Bat", "Ign" and "start" , and do away with the button switch.

believe it or not, I am more of a forward thinker than what some may
think.

?;^)

Well, I'm impressed with the whole project. Yes, there are some safety
issues to be overcome, but you'll do that.













That's what Harry would have done.
Me, I would have put the boat in the marina and said, 'Charlie, fix
it.'
--

John H

Electric fuel pump
 

In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...



Gentlemen,...



Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...



Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" I would have typed something like Listen here you
%^&#* , go %#! yourselves . It's my boat and I'll @#$ *($^% do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

Electric fuel pump
 

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...



Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" I would have typed something like Listen here you
%^&#* , go %#! yourselves . It's my boat and I'll @#$ *($^% do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

And, not one misspelling. Good job!
--

John H

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 23, 2:40*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to *be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" *I would have typed something like *Listen here you
%^&#* , *go %#! *yourselves . It's my boat and I'll * @#$ *($^% *do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But *I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

And, not one misspelling. Good job!
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ebay has them for around $120. Given all the work and extra parts you
will have in this in the end you will have that in it. Plus you have
installed a non-coast guard approved pump. That makes you liable for
anything that happens as a result. You'll have to fix it right before
you can sell it. Just dumb.

Electric fuel pump
 

On Sep 23, 2:33*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Sep 23, 2:40*pm, JohnH wrote:





On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to *be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" *I would have typed something like *Listen here you
%^&#* , *go %#! *yourselves . It's my boat and I'll * @#$ *($^% *do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But *I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

And, not one misspelling. Good job!
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ebay has them for around $120. *Given all the work and extra parts you
will have in this in the end you will have that in it. *Plus you have
installed a non-coast guard approved pump. *That makes you liable for
anything that happens as a result. *You'll have to fix it right before
you can sell it. *Just dumb.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dumb? so is installing non-marine/Coast Guard approved Edelbrock
carburators and aluminum intake manifolds.

The way I look at it is I'm liable for anything on the boat anyhow.
Thre's a new mechanical pump on ebay now for 58.00. I'm considering
it, but gasahol eating diaphrams isn't very attractive to me. Besides,
with the exception of having the pump itself, i had all the parts in
stock anyhow.

who says I'm going to sell it?

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On Sep 22, 9:10*pm, Gene wrote:


I'm glad that you diagnosed the problem correctly. Your fix would, 30
miles off shore, scare the sh*t out of me.....
--


Aww Gene. Where's your adventursome spirit?

What ever happened to the: " So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover. ..."

?;^ )

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On Sep 23, 3:47*pm, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 22, 9:10*pm, Gene wrote:

I'm glad that you diagnosed the problem correctly. Your fix would, 30
miles off shore, scare the sh*t out of me.....
--

Aww Gene. Where's your adventursome spirit?

What ever happened to the: " So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover. ..."

?;^ )

All of the above is suspended in cases of electricity or flammable
liquids.

All of the above is rescinded in cases of electricity AND flammable
liquids.
--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

LOL!

Yes, the noted "disclaimer"

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Tim wrote:
On Sep 23, 5:07 am, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Sep 22, 9:46 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:22:38 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
You have bypassed all of that by installing an electric pump that's wired to
be on when the key is on. I'm not saying that you're gonna blow up tomorrow,
but I sure as hell wouldn't leave the key in the "on" position for long
before starting. I'm confident that you can find a schematic online to wire
it properly, and from reading your post, I'm sure you could do it.
Both Mike and Gene make good points regarding safety. I've seen a
few gasoline fires on boats and they are not a good thing. One of my
old sailboats had a gasoline engine with an electric fuel pump, and
also the gasoline generator on my old Bertram. Both had the fuel
pump wired in series with the oil pressure sender so that the pump was
guaranteed to be off if the engine was not running.
Gentlemen, all points are taking well into consideration. I have a
murphy switch and can install it accordingly. I will be installing it
a well as an ignition relay that will kill the power to the pump in
case of engine shut down. it's not hard to do. . I made this
preliminary post so that I could see how it would operate, and it did
function as desired. I'm also going to change out the key switch with
"Bat", "Ign" and "start" , and do away with the button switch.
believe it or not, I am more of a forward thinker than what some may
think.
?;^)
Well, I'm impressed with the whole project. Yes, there are some safety
issues to be overcome, but you'll do that.


--

John H

Yes, in the primitive sense there are some safety issues, but they're
really not hard to over come. In fact, the way it is set up now,
would probably be fine with no incident happening, but the safety
measures are worth the little bit of effort.

Me, I would have put the boat in the marina and said, 'Charlie, fix
it.'

LOL!

I know. That's why every day I go to work, and you go to the golf
course.

I'm with John. I would never tackle a job like that. If I had that
sort of problem I, too, would "redistribute the wealth"!

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In article ee7d04b5-50e7-40b0-be87-
, says...

On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...



Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" I would have typed something like Listen here you
%^&#* , go %#! yourselves . It's my boat and I'll @#$ *($^% do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

When the girls get all in it we call it "chesticles" !!

That got The Mouse all in a tizzy this weekend so I went a little
further and accused her of being on "chestosterone", that's when the
body armor started flying in my direction.. snerk


--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

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"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Sep 23, 10:57 am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...



Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" I would have typed something like Listen here you
%^&#* , go %#! yourselves . It's my boat and I'll @#$ *($^% do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

LOL. I meant no offense by pointing out what I did. However, in your
original post, you made no mention of your intentions of wiring it
correctly. Like I said, I have no doubt that you have the skill to do it
properly.

Hell, you even knew that the oil pressure switch is called a "Murphy
Switch." I didn't.

--Mike

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On Sep 23, 9:35*pm, "mgg" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Sep 23, 10:57 am, JustWait wrote:

In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to *be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" *I would have typed something like *Listen here you
%^&#* , *go %#! *yourselves . It's my boat and I'll * @#$ *($^% *do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But *I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

LOL. I meant no offense by pointing out what I did. However, in your
original post, you made no mention of your intentions of wiring it
correctly. Like I said, I have no doubt that you have the skill to do it
properly.

Hell, you even knew that the oil pressure switch is called a "Murphy
Switch." I didn't.

--Mike

Thanks.

Well, the "Murphy" is more than just a drop in oil pressure switch,
but also an over heat switch as well. the shut down can be set at the
temper desired to kill the engine if it gets too hot, so it covers a
lot more than one function. I have three or four from old worn out
Waukesha oil field engines that got scrapped out. Not because the
Murphy failed, but overhauling Waukesha's got out of hand price wise,
and the oil field guys were having about as good of service out of a
Ford 300 industrial six. (Yep, same as the pick up truck engine) at
less than half the price.

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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:08:45 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:50:20 -0400, D wrote:

I would never tackle a job like that. If I had that
sort of problem I, too, would "redistribute the wealth"!

I've rarely paid others to do this sort of job and received the
quality that I expect. I, and others, prefer to do this sort of job so
that I know that it is done right.

To you, getting the job done right is obviously more important than
redistributing wealth. Now we know where your priorities lie.

Sure wish some other folks felt the same way.
--

John H

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On Sep 23, 4:20*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 23, 2:33*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Sep 23, 2:40*pm, JohnH wrote:

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 23, 10:57*am, JustWait wrote:
In article 7512aef2-3dcc-4863-96b1-319f6d131928
@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

Gentlemen,...

Geeze Tim, never known you to get "****ed" before... ;)

--
Dad loves his family, and he was a soldier. He wanted us all to remember
that...

LOL! Not me. If I was going to *be that way I wouldn't have said
"Gentlemen" *I would have typed something like *Listen here you
%^&#* , *go %#! *yourselves . It's my boat and I'll * @#$ *($^% *do as
I please !!!!!

But, i can't do that .

But *I feel better now that I got that off my chest...

?;^ Q

And, not one misspelling. Good job!
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ebay has them for around $120. *Given all the work and extra parts you
will have in this in the end you will have that in it. *Plus you have
installed a non-coast guard approved pump. *That makes you liable for
anything that happens as a result. *You'll have to fix it right before
you can sell it. *Just dumb.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dumb? so is installing non-marine/Coast Guard *approved Edelbrock
carburators and aluminum intake manifolds.

The way I look at it is I'm liable for *anything on the boat anyhow.
Thre's a new mechanical pump on ebay now for 58.00. I'm considering
it, but gasahol eating diaphrams isn't very attractive to me. Besides,
with the exception of having the pump itself, i had all the parts in
stock anyhow.

*who says I'm going to sell it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Edlebrock makes a coast guard approved carburator. So does holley and
gm. Intake manifolds are not "approved" one way or another. Just
like blocks, pistons, connecting rods, and so on. This marine
"approved" business is limited to fuel and ignition parts. Electric
fuel pumps also have diaphrams you know. And there are marine
approved electric fuel pumps. Though I would not expect one to be any
cheaper than the correct replacement for your mechanical one. New
pumps will be built with materials that handle the ethanol additive.

There's liable and there's liable. What you have done is knowingly
installed non-marine fuel system parts on your boat. So if your boat
catches on fire your insurance company has an out to avoid paying.
Now you might not care a lot about that in terms of property damages.
But personal damages to someone that happens to be on your boat at the
time might be another issue. You have a boat so I'm guessing you have
other property and monetary resources that you'd prefer not to part
with.

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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:50:31 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:22:53 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:10:17 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:39:15 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:08:45 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:50:20 -0400, D wrote:

I would never tackle a job like that. If I had that
sort of problem I, too, would "redistribute the wealth"!

I've rarely paid others to do this sort of job and received the
quality that I expect. I, and others, prefer to do this sort of job so
that I know that it is done right.

To you, getting the job done right is obviously more important than
redistributing wealth. Now we know where your priorities lie.

Sure wish some other folks felt the same way.

Sigh.... Just another point-of-view issue blown out of proportion....

I thought I was obviously joking. Must have been too subtle.

The recent tenor in this newsgroup makes it impossible to sort out
what is tongue-in-cheek and what is seething anger....

No problem. And, you're right.
--

John H