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Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
How many people die because of McDonald's hamburgers every year?
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. [...] I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? |
How many people die because of McDonald's hamburgers every year?
On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. [...] I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? IMHO YES!!! That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD in the world!! John Kuthe... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. [...] I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? Dear Dave: Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those citizens who may endanger try to save you. Also of course you endanger innocent children who may not understand how stupid you are, refusing sponsons and eating at McDonalds both. Your attitude is why the GOP is high comedy and America is the laughingstock of the world. Sadly, innocent Americans are the main victims of their own country that insists on gluttinous stupidity for a general operating modus. Americans deserve both democracy and an education, like anyone else. Most Americans are decent and intelligent people and understand exactly what I am talking about at http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 22, 5:56*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:45*pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote: Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? IMHO YES!!! That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD in the world!! Of course Mcdonalds does not deliberately murder Americans, they are merely collateral damage to fast food profits. Not pretty, even in France where there is a cuisine. The American Canoe Association deliberately makes canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible to sell fraudulent rescue instruction that does not work for anyone, including any judge and jury. In fact these rescues are designed to capsize any rescuing canoes and kayaks since they have no stability without sponsons, increasing death tolls and demand for more fraudulent instruction! Any Washington lobby group would be proud of this scam, even Wall Street. [...] No, the ACA does not manufacture canoes or kayaks. |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 21, 5:26*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote: On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. [...] I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? Dear Dave: Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those citizens who may endanger try to save you. [...] When I have a heart attack and flip my car over while driving to the river your silly sponsons are not going to save me. |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:
[...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:
On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy" Ingram's business venture! John Kuthe... |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
Davej wrote:
snip Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use talking to a deranged individual. A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on! -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
"Wilko" wrote in message ... Davej wrote: snip Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use talking to a deranged individual. A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on! -- Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Not to mention which, someone who wanted sponsons could easily make them, and a lot of canoes designed for fishing come with what amounts to the same thing. I know any number of people who have them (and, irony of ironies, the one person I know personally who drowned while fishing was using a canoe that had sort of a outrigger/sponson dealy he could use, but he didn't attach it - though he probably had a heart attack and drowned, rather than falling out and drowning.) Ingram seems to think that the whole human race is too appallingly stupid to figure out that if you want floaty things, you're entitled to attach them to your boat - or to yourself (floatation devices - what a concept!). As the canoeists little book of wisdom (or paddler's, I forget which), says - "Always wear brightly colored flotation devices while paddling frigid artic waters - it makes it *so* much easier to retrieve the bodies". Sponsons are and always have been available to anyone who wants to make/buy/attach them. Be happy - do we want to think of what the man would fixate on if this particular crusade came to fruition? Cricket |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Has Murdered Over200 American Children
On Sep 24, 9:42*am, Davej wrote:
On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote: On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy" Ingram's business venture! John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 24, 3:22*pm, Wilko wrote:
Davej wrote: snip Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use talking to a deranged individual. A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on! -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * *Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---http://kayaker.nl/ Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
Murder, Fraud, and Hamburger Grease
On Sep 24, 3:54*pm, "Cricket" wrote:
"Wilko" wrote in message ... Davej wrote: snip Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use talking to a deranged individual. A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on! -- Wilko van den Bergh * * * * * * * * * * * * *wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl * * Eindhoven * * * * The Netherlands * * * * * *Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://kayaker.nl/ Not to mention which, someone who wanted sponsons could easily make them, and a lot of canoes designed for fishing come with what amounts to the same thing. * I know any number of people who have them (and, irony of ironies, the one person I know personally who drowned while fishing was using a canoe that had sort of a outrigger/sponson dealy he could use, but he didn't attach it - though he probably had a heart attack and drowned, rather than falling out and drowning.) Ingram seems to think that the whole human race is too appallingly stupid to figure out that if you want floaty things, you're entitled to attach them to your boat - or to yourself (floatation devices - what a concept!). As the canoeists little book of wisdom (or paddler's, I forget which), says - "Always wear brightly colored flotation devices while paddling frigid artic waters - it makes it *so* much easier to retrieve the bodies". Sponsons are and always have been available to anyone who wants to make/buy/attach them. *Be happy - do we want to think of what the man would fixate on if this particular crusade came to fruition? Cricket- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
Sponsons Democracy or American Canoe Association Terror
On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote: On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy" Ingram's business venture! John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " from http://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram |
Sponsons Democracy or American Canoe Association Terror
On Sep 25, 7:28*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote: On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy" Ingram's business venture! John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple *means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram And the latest batch of puppy puke came in five identical batches!! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! ;-) John Kuthe... |
Sponsons Democracy or American Canoe Association Terror
On Sep 25, 9:51*am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:28*am, TimIngram wrote: On Sep 24, 12:17*pm, John Kuthe wrote: On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote: On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote: [...] The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear. designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can make work. And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything different. [...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans since 1993 And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE. 1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000 people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a 400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20 MPH? Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy" Ingram's business venture! John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Human denial and sometimes criminality are sufficient to deny innocent children and adults a simple *means to save their lives and any other victims in the water in 5 seconds, without expensive and fraudulent "rescue" instruction. Normally human life is valued in society, as proven by lifesaving organizations, for centuries in most countries. Rec.Boats.Paddle posters may choose to make it impossible for victims to get out of the water for many reasons: money from fraudulent instruction, the feeling of ego power by murdering innocent people, even common stupidity. Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck- not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram And the latest batch of puppy puke came in five identical batches!! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! PUKE! ;-) John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi John: Thank you for your intelligent and sensitive post. Probably you have not read all of the sponsons website material (there is a great deal). But rowing shells and canoes and kayaks are not at all comparable, rowing shells have not crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans, although canoes and kayaks with sponsons have done so. The level of intelligence and sensitivity of the people who use rowing shells is higher than the canoe and kayak lobbies. Not only do rowing shell people have a higher level of education than canoe and kayak lobby groups, but more importantly, the big money and ego enhancement in canoes and kayaks comes from deadly "safety" instruction. Murderous Fraud that almost every intelligent person can see; since all of the major authors have indicated that this "safety" instruction, whether paddlefloating or Eskimo Rolling kayaks (world champions in Greenland use powerboats when rolls fail, not assisted rescues), canoe over canoe or any other open canoe rescues are only effective to risk capsize of more canoes, being highly circumstantial in description and ludicrously unfit for the entrusting of human life. The baseline truth of this is what a judge and jury think about these boy scout and girl guide rescues that have literally tortured innocent children to death. Drowning is an agonizing death as well as slow death by hypothermia. The child survivors are scarred for life. These deaths are agonizing for adults too! You know, rec.boats.paddle is an excellent forum for a social psychology study into exactly the same phenomena as the famous Milgram experiments at Yale. Dr. Stanley Milgram was deeply affected by the personalities of the Nazis on trial at Nuremberg. The most striking observation was how "normal" these Nazis appeared to be. (Read the new book "Hunting Eichmann".) In fact back in Israel in the fifties, Eichmann on trial was thought by some Israelis to be a mere "clerk mentality" in a genocidal bureaucracy. In fact Eichmann actively counselled other Nazis at the camps who were distressed when killing the children. Eichmann's advice was always "kill them before they breed." This helped the Nazis "get over it", by thinking of these little kids as "dangerous breeders", although they looked like innocent children. Eichmann deserved his death. Eichmann was no simple clerk. The American Canoe Association has consistently counselled the deliberate endangerment of Americans, Canadians, and others since 1993, when I decided it was important to push the sponsons issue. Initially the response was overwhelmingly positive, Dave Harrison at Canoe Magazine and Chris Cunningham at Sea Kayaker Magazine, John Dowd and Derek Hutchinson. (Derek even had the UK Coast Guard's principal marine surveyor Captain Thompson contact me after the Lyme Bay kids were killed.) See the captain's letter to me in my book at Amazon.com :"Canoe and Kayak Scam Kills 1000 Americans", p.22 But fraudulent safety instructors not only sell canoes and kayaks, they sell ludicrous and expensive instruction that goes along in the typical "bait and switch" fraud pitch: "If that doesn't work then you can try this, always good to have in your bag of tricks." Sometimes referred to as "repertoire", as if a victim in the water has the time to go through a list of ridiculous "rescues" while losing body heat and dexterity, slowly dying in the water. You see, the history of human lifesaving in seafaring nations has usually upheld the highest standards of the value of human life. The American Canoe Association and some rec.boats.paddle posters here are a human anomaly, not unlike those on trial at Nuremberg. The judge and jury of any country will not be pleased to try these deadly "rescues" in a swimming pool. In law a "reasonably prudent person" will not entrust their loved ones to these rescues. In contrast, 50 cent sponsons enabling 2 little girls to rescue themselves and anyone else without practice or instruction, demonstrate the Atlantic and Pacific truth of sponsons. My original sponsons were long and narrow partly to appeal to human nature, since most human beings are very easily tricked. At least in a picture these were easily understood. But fatter and shorter sponsons with a single clip, the 50 cent "midpoint sponsons" at the patent offfice in Washington, D.C. (but free to anyone), made of foam or constructed like a CO2 inflatable PFD with a bladder, back-up inflator etc. (very compact otherwise, fitted unseen to the gunwale lines of canoes and kayaks), even rolled-up sleeping mats for cash-poor boy scouts and kid camps, are understood by the better students of high school level physics. (It is a simple buoyancy/ballast equation that creates ocean-crossing stability.) See http://www.sponsonguy.com However our world here on the internet documents numerous scams to profit the few at the expense of society. This canoe and kayak scam has killed far more than Madoff (who was encarcerated very quickly, perhaps for his own safety and "visibility of justice" as much as anything else). Criminal courts rarely proceed as fast as the Madoff trial, giving credence to former Israeli PM Olmert's connections to Madoff and other operators, in Olmert's current trial for fraud in Israel right now. It is a complex world, but money trails are often the best detective routes to find out what is going on. The American Canoe Association knows this. Read my books. See their letters there. If America lets American kids die in canoes and kayaks though fraud, the country has little chance of protecting the general population. But I guess most of us are smart enough to know this already. Thanks again John, Tim On Aug 31, 9:05 am, wrote: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram Hi Tim, How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a year do you sell? Roger www.virginiarowing.com Edon Recreational Rowing Boats |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 27, 9:03*am, wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: "" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95) "So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) *Assisted rescues risk kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no protection against another capsize, *(that can be provided by sponsons). "A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions that capsized him *or her in the first place, and with each roll he or she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91 "The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp. 104-111) "I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.) "However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get back in, like most experienced paddlers. "Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of experienced and fit paddlers. "It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster, Coach, British Canoe Union "Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea Touring "Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5 "A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7 "Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34 "basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety: The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt, so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June 2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue", Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance underneath the PFD. " fromhttp://www.sponsonguy.com Tim Ingram Hi Tim, How succesful is the uptake of safety sponsons in canoes? What organisations have bought into this area of safety. What about childrens groups. Boy Scouts, camps etc, they have a duty of care, has there been a lot of interest from these groups? How many sponsons a year do you sell? Not nearly enough! Otherwise, we wouldn't have all these deaths!! Hmmm, I've been WW kayaking for about 16 years now, and flat water canoeing a few more years than that, and I can only recount personal knowledge of 2 or 3 deaths "on" the water! One was my brother who had a heart attack, but managed to paddle into an eddy and get out of his boat before he died. Another was a buddy who got trapped in a strainer and drowned. Sponsons would have not helped in either of these cases. Eh Tim? ;-) John Kuthe... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
The sick puppy puked TWICE!!
Answer my question Tim! John Kuthe... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 28, 7:56*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
The sick puppy puked TWICE!! Answer my question Tim! John Kuthe... Rec.boats.paddle posters visit Nuremberg (See Rec.Boats.Paddle Posters Visit Nuremberg) but desperately cling to any specious excuses (one heart attack, not related to being unable to get out of the water and one death accomplished by paddling on a river with fallen trees, rocks etc. to create a drowning, also unrelated to no means to get out of deadly water); compared to over 1,500 murders documented by the U.S. Coast Guard, adding over 100 new deaths every year, simply due to leaving victims to die in the water, like the Darlington school boys. Two (2) for over 1,500 and over 100 new deaths every year. It is tough to live in America with no Democracy and a jobless economy, while 2 wars are fought in Iraq and Afghanistan to "bring Democracy" to the bombed and bleeding citizens there. At least the citizens of America are not bombed for Democracy yet; although in my recent post "Canoeing in America" after Katrina, the story is chilling. Most Americans are much more realistic than the angry and cruel cult represented on rec.boats.paddle; happily justifying over 1,500 murders, just as poor whites fought for slavery in the American Civil War, just so they could feel better about themselves; having, at least, more freedom than slaves. Principal dynamics in America do not change: How were 1,500 American men, women and children murdered (every year over 100 new victims die in canoes and kayaks according to the U.S. Coast Guard), by the American Canoe Association (and other Americans on rec.boats.paddle) who enjoy killing Americans, even American children in American schools, on American soil. It is very simple: Canoes and kayaks are the most unstable form of boat in the history of the world, accomplished by narrow beam without any form of stabilizing beam buoyancy in emergencies. So school children, for example the dead boys at Darlington School in Rome, Georgia (near Atlanta) easily capsized on a school trip. Even experts easily capsize canoes and kayaks, even in mild conditions of wind and waves; all it takes is a second of inattention to the balance of the narrow craft. Any judge or jury can easily demonstrate this simple fact in a swimming pool. The dead Darlington School boys were murdered by denying them any means to get out of the water. These boys died in terror, thinking of their loving families because no other canoes could rescue them; although Boy Scouts of America and the American Canoe Association proclaims that the canoe-over-canoe rescue could have saved them! Of course this is a lie. More canoes attempting to rescue the boys would have capsized as well, without any emergency beam stability called sponsons. All of this is very obvious. Two 10 year old girls without expensive, fraudulent instruction can rescue themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons: http://www.sponsonguy.com The interesting thing for America is that some Americans evidently enjoy murdering American men, women and children at a rate of over 100 agonizing deaths every year. Rec.boats.paddle, as I have said in a recent post, provides the forum to investigate these crimes against American citizens; just as the Nuremberg trials provided Stanley Milgram with the opportunity to study Nazis up close, and remark how "normal" these human monsters could appear. The Milgram Studies at Yale, replicated throughout the world, are the most famous psychology experiments ever done, studying the nature of human evil. The gist is very simple: like the rec.boats.paddle posters here, the human tendency is to approve of what the perpetrators see as "normal", i.e. leave innocent American children to die in the water because canoe over canoe rescues, or a dozen other, even more ridiculous canoe and kayak rescues, cannot get them out of the water. In fact, these fraudulent rescues are effective in capsizing more canoes and kayaks, for the highest possible death toll. And the victims are blamed for their own deaths for not buying more fraudulent instruction! All of this is simple truth available to any judge and jury in the world. Interestingly American citizens suffer more than any other country from this scam. Americans deserve protection and democracy in America. Most Americans do not deserve to die. Most Americans understand the simple truth, make unstable canoes and kayaks more stable in emergencies: " In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, ... read more » |
How many people die because of McDonald's hamburgers every year?
On Sep 20, 7:45*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote: On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay out, and paddle to safety. [...] I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder. Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald McDonald a criminal and murderer? IMHO YES!!! That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD in the world!! John Kuthe... JJ, there's a new television commercial where the guy sez "...I'm a meatetarian. It's a lifestyle choice; you have to make a commitment..." and then they go on to show this gawdawful two-meat- patty, cheese and ***bacon*** covered burger, and I think "gee-Zeus, they put heroin dealers in jail and let fast-food operators and cigarette manufacturers run free?" Golly, this is twice in one year you and I have agreed upon something! |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 21, 7:26*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote: Tim Your'e a bigger nut than Mike Vandeman. |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Oct 1, 10:33*pm, pmh wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:26*am, TimIngram wrote: On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote: Tim Your'e a bigger nut than Mike Vandeman. You apparently enjoy knowing over 1,500 men, women and children in the US are dead and over 100 are murdered in the US every year in canoes and kayaks, in agonizing deaths (terminal waterboarding), documented by the US Coast Guard. Are you a sleeper Al Queda or just a GOP campaign manager, attempting to recruit Sarah Palin? You enjoy murdering Americans? Rec.boats.paddle posters visit Nuremberg (See Rec.Boats.Paddle Posters Visit Nuremberg) but desperately cling to any specious excuses (one heart attack, not related to being unable to get out of the water and one death accomplished by paddling on a river with fallen trees, rocks etc. to create a drowning, also unrelated to no means to get out of deadly water); compared to over 1,500 murders documented by the U.S. Coast Guard, adding over 100 new deaths every year, simply due to leaving victims to die in the water, like the Darlington school boys. Two (2) for over 1,500 and over 100 new deaths every year. It is tough to live in America with no Democracy and a jobless economy, while 2 wars are fought in Iraq and Afghanistan to "bring Democracy" to the bombed and bleeding citizens there. At least the citizens of America are not bombed for Democracy yet; although in my recent post "Canoeing in America" after Katrina, the story is chilling. Most Americans are much more realistic than the angry and cruel cult represented on rec.boats.paddle; happily justifying over 1,500 murders, just as poor whites fought for slavery in the American Civil War, just so they could feel better about themselves; having, at least, more freedom than slaves. Principal dynamics in America do not change: How were 1,500 American men, women and children murdered (every year over 100 new victims die in canoes and kayaks according to the U.S. Coast Guard), by the American Canoe Association (and other Americans on rec.boats.paddle) who enjoy killing Americans, even American children in American schools, on American soil. It is very simple: Canoes and kayaks are the most unstable form of boat in the history of the world, accomplished by narrow beam without any form of stabilizing beam buoyancy in emergencies. So school children, for example the dead boys at Darlington School in Rome, Georgia (near Atlanta) easily capsized on a school trip. Even experts easily capsize canoes and kayaks, even in mild conditions of wind and waves; all it takes is a second of inattention to the balance of the narrow craft. Any judge or jury can easily demonstrate this simple fact in a swimming pool. The dead Darlington School boys were murdered by denying them any means to get out of the water. These boys died in terror, thinking of their loving families because no other canoes could rescue them; although Boy Scouts of America and the American Canoe Association proclaims that the canoe-over-canoe rescue could have saved them! Of course this is a lie. More canoes attempting to rescue the boys would have capsized as well, without any emergency beam stability called sponsons. All of this is very obvious. Two 10 year old girls without expensive, fraudulent instruction can rescue themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons: http://www.sponsonguy.com The interesting thing for America is that some Americans evidently enjoy murdering American men, women and children at a rate of over 100 agonizing deaths every year. Rec.boats.paddle, as I have said in a recent post, provides the forum to investigate these crimes against American citizens; just as the Nuremberg trials provided Stanley Milgram with the opportunity to study Nazis up close, and remark how "normal" these human monsters could appear. The Milgram Studies at Yale, replicated throughout the world, are the most famous psychology experiments ever done, studying the nature of human evil. The gist is very simple: like the rec.boats.paddle posters here, the human tendency is to approve of what the perpetrators see as "normal", i.e. leave innocent American children to die in the water because canoe over canoe rescues, or a dozen other, even more ridiculous canoe and kayak rescues, cannot get them out of the water. In fact, these fraudulent rescues are effective in capsizing more canoes and kayaks, for the highest possible death toll. And the victims are blamed for their own deaths for not buying more fraudulent instruction! All of this is simple truth available to any judge and jury in the world. Interestingly American citizens suffer more than any other country from this scam. Americans deserve protection and democracy in America. Most Americans do not deserve to die. Most Americans understand the simple truth, make unstable canoes and kayaks more stable in emergencies: " In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, ... read more » |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: those dirty rotten *******s at the American Canoe Association... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Oct 10, 8:28*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 20, 8:55*am, TimIngram wrote: Best to start in America, first, where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable) fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children, who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in America: those dirty rotten *******s at the American Canoe Association... It would be better simply to have the American Canoe Association paddle only in Guantanamo Bay, where they have some commonality. The "jaybird" posted: "The fact that he cut and pasted a reply identically three times is the kind of gerbil treadmill response I would expect from a non-cult member. Everybodys going to die sometime. That's a fact... Grace and peace. jaybird Apparently this "killer Christian" approves the murders of over 200 American children and over 1,500 adults (US Coast Guard) because "Everybodys (sic) going to die sometime." Osama bin Laden could not improve on the sheer numbers of cruel and agonizing American deaths, nor Al Queda, nor Taliban. "Jaybird" is proud of his kills here, including the 2 Darlington school boys. It's a deadly cult. The rec.boats.paddle cult members responded within the last 4 days as expected: to the facts that they deliberately leave American children in the water to die (over 200 American children, like the Darlington school boys who died in terror, knowing they had no means to get out of the water, to see mom and dad, and their loving families again.) They died in agony and terror, but rec.boats.paddle posters don't care, like the accused Nazis at Nuremberg, who attracted the interest of Dr. Stanley Milgram who began the famous social psychology experiments at Yale. The boys could have saved themselves in 5 seconds with 50 cent sponsons, like the two 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But the cult apparently wanted these deaths, and even calls the facts surrounding these deaths "spam". America has severe problems, but the most dangerous enemies to America are the ones who feel entitled to murder Americans, even American children, by denying them any means to save their lives, instead promoting expensive, fraudulent and profitable American Canoe Association instruction that is their "true" spam: Rec.boats paddle posters attempt to blame deaths on foolishly paddling down rivers with rocks and trees to trap victims underwater until they drown. And heart attacks while out of the water. The Darlington school boys were not trapped and drowned under any river. They died just like over 200 American children; they died because they were deprived of any means to get out of the water, and stay out, and paddle to sho 50 cent, 5 second sponsons. Some rec.boats.paddle posters first attempt to say canoe over canoe rescues would have saved these kids. Then they cease when it is pointed out that ACA Hall of Fame instructors (Cliff Jacobson et al.) state the canoe over canoe can't work in real life, and "rescuing" canoes will only be capsized as well, without 5 second emergency sponson stability. In desperation the truly stupid or crazy posters will sometimes state: "These deaths are necessary for the public to know canoes and kayaks are dangerous." In fact these canoes and kayaks are deliberately designed for fraudulent "rescues" that are as dangerous as possible; despite public knowledge that canoes and kayaks with sponsons have crossed both Atlantic and Pacific oceans (Lindemann 1956, 1957, Gillett 1992) This deliberate intention to torture and kill innocent American children and adults, shown here on rec.boats.paddle, imitates the results of the original Milgram experiments at Yale, where 65% complied with inflicting very painful, even fatal levels of electric shock to the screaming actor, hired for the Yale University experiment, the most famous experiment in social psychology, and replicated throughout the world in dozens of university labs. Tim Ingram |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
Sunday morning sick puppy puke!
John Kuthe... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500??Americans
On Oct 13, 11:56*am, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
TimIngram wrote: snip Rec.Boats.Paddle posters and the American Canoe Association make money and enhance their egos through as many deaths as possible, from the Once again (and this is assuming you can read), please prove the above statement. *Show us our checks! Oh, I've instructed for money! Mostly the roll too, which should **** off ole Timmy "Sponson Boy" to no end!! Because with a roll, kayakers don't NEED no STEENKIN sponsons!! AHAHAHA!!!! John Kuthe... |
Criminal Fraud of American Canoe Association Murdered Over 1,500Americans
On Oct 13, 5:31*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Oct 13, 11:56*am, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote: TimIngram wrote: snip Rec.Boats.Paddle posters and the American Canoe Association make money and enhance their egos through as many deaths as possible, from the Once again (and this is assuming you can read), please prove the above statement. *Show us our checks! Oh, I've instructed for money! Mostly the roll too, which should **** off ole Timmy "Sponson Boy" to no end!! Because with a roll, kayakers don't NEED no STEENKIN sponsons!! AHAHAHA!!!! John Kuthe... - I just find it absolutely astonishing that Tim, a member of RBP, can believe that RBP has anything to do with the accidental deaths of those teenagers. Since Tim is a member of the group he accuses, he is continually accusing himself. Therefore, Tim is guilty of his own accusations. That is why everyone complains about his cut and paste puke because he is in a "did not - did to" infantile arguement. I don't care if they used sponsons on the Mayflower, I wouldn't go out paddling when small craft warnings were posted. The Darlington boys died because they had no business being out there during those conditions. Tim does not grasp the concept of personal responsibility. So I know he is going to puke his garbage over and over and over but I feel I have the right to point out the facts when the lunatic is out of the asylum. It's not like there is anything else to do on RBP and Tim would puke his garbage on anything anyone says anyway. The alternative is just pack up and leave like the last guy. Rich Dear Rich: You are an American apparently molded in the fashion of Sarah Palin, McCain, Limbaugh, or any of the GOP laughingstocks. You probably want to deny health care to American children because you believe it is "God's will that they should suffer". Most Americans are not as stupid as you. Most Americans believe they all deserve health care and they all deserve the safest canoes and kayaks, cars, bicycles etc. Most Americans believe canoes and kayaks without any form of self-rescue should not be used. Any canoe or kayak, Rich, whether 100 feet from shore, or in the Gulf of Mexico is deadly: Deadly due to NO canoe and kayak rescue capability. You, Rich, and the crazy killers posting today apparently want canoes and kayaks to be without rescue capability in a farm pond or on open waters where canoes and kayaks are normally paddled, and fast-rising winds and waves normally occur without warning. If you were honest you would simply state no schools should use canoes and kayaks without fool-proof 5 second rescue capability on http://www.sponsonguy.com Or perhaps you think these children deserve to die? Read again care fully, (perhaps you did not understand fully.): Thanks Rich: Of course the 2 dead Darlington school boys could have gotten out of the water in 5 seconds with 50 cent foam sponsons, and stayed out, even rescued other victims from the water, like the canoe and kayaks crossing both Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, like the 10 year old girls on http://www.sponsonguy.com But rec.boats.paddle posters and the American Canoe Association have murdered over 1,500 Americans in Canoes and Kayaks (US Coast Guard BARD), including over 200 American children. America needs democracy, health care, law, order and justice. Send the criminals to paddle around Guantanamo Bay. They are the real terrorists on American soil; who make canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible, with no means to get out of the water, swimming pool or Gulf of Mexico or farm pond! Tim |
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