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My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2.
OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally to plane we did quite a few hole shots. we shut off for a while and I went swimming the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
Tim wrote:
1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally to plane we did quite a few hole shots. we shut off for a while and I went swimming the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! Could it be coming in the blower vents? I mean, how low did the transom go when you did the hole shots. Sinking the vents would be pretty low. What's an alpha 2? |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
"Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally to plane we did quite a few hole shots. we shut off for a while and I went swimming the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. You may have been lower in the water. |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
On Sep 18, 10:10*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally *to plane we did quite a few hole shots. *we shut off for a while and I went swimming *the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. *I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! *I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. *You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. But i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
Tim wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally to plane we did quite a few hole shots. we shut off for a while and I went swimming the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. But i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. Labor is going to be . . . a lot. Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. Or a dripping kid. |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
On Sep 18, 11:18*pm, Jim wrote:
Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message .... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally *to plane we did quite a few hole shots. *we shut off for a while and I went swimming *the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. *I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend.. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation.. Thanks! *I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. *You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. *But *i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. *Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. *Labor is going to be . . . a lot. *Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. *Or a dripping kid. Hey! I found it! I muffed the boat this mornig and fired it up and just watched. after a couple minutes, I saw water dripping from under the exhaust manifold, and shutting it down and turning the water off, I noticed where the steam was coming from. Sure enough a small crack had developed. That makes sense. under a hard pull the boat is tilted back and the water would run more freely. it's small enough that it's not going to cause any hassles, and I'll probably get one or two more runs this year out of it, but next year it'll have a new manifold on it. It's the origional since 1983, and I imagine it's getting fairly thin on the inside and would need replaced anyhow. thanks for the idea's, guys. |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Sep 18, 11:18*pm, Jim wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally *to plane we did quite a few hole shots. *we shut off for a while and I went swimming *the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. *I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! *I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. *You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. *But *i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. *Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. *Labor is going to be . . . a lot. *Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. *Or a dripping kid. Hey! I found it! I muffed the boat this mornig and fired it up and just watched. after a couple minutes, I saw water dripping from under the exhaust manifold, and shutting it down and turning the water off, I noticed where the steam was coming from. Sure enough a small crack had developed. That makes sense. under a hard pull the boat is tilted back and the water would run more freely. it's small enough that it's not going to cause any hassles, and I'll probably get one or two more runs this year out of it, but next year it'll have a new manifold on it. It's the origional since 1983, and I imagine it's getting fairly thin on the inside and would need replaced anyhow. thanks for the idea's, guys. Hey Tim! We just got back from Gettysburg, and I read about your low in the stern boat. Glad to hear you found the problem. Have you got towing insurance to cover you on those 'one or two more runs'? -- John H |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
On Sep 20, 2:45*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 11:18*pm, Jim wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally *to plane we did quite a few hole shots. *we shut off for a while and I went swimming *the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. *I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! *I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. *You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. *But *i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. *Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. *Labor is going to be . . . a lot. *Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. *Or a dripping kid. Hey! I found it! *I muffed the boat this mornig and fired it up and just watched. *after a couple minutes, I saw water dripping from under the exhaust manifold, and shutting it down and turning the water off, I noticed where the steam was coming from. Sure enough a small crack had developed. That makes sense. under a hard pull the boat is tilted back and the water would run more freely. it's small enough that it's not going to cause any hassles, and I'll probably get one or two more runs this year out of it, but next year it'll have a new manifold on it. It's the origional since 1983, and I imagine it's getting fairly thin on the inside and would need replaced anyhow. thanks for the idea's, guys. Hey Tim! We just got back from Gettysburg, and I read about your low in the stern boat. Glad to hear you found the problem. Have you got towing insurance to cover you on those 'one or two more runs'? -- John H No towing insurance for me, John. after all we're on a lake and there's usually somebody who will give you a tow our of good will. I know I've done it many time, but I also know that if I need one, it'd probably get stuck deep in the wallet. Or worse... get towed by a good Samaritan with a jet ski! LOL!.. Actually I did see that happen last year. There were some folk who had a huge and loaded pontoon boat and from the docks we kept hearing this yyyeeeeooooweeeyyyyeeeeoooowwww noise and saw this pontoon headed for the docks. Actually it was being pulled by two jet skis, because one side of the the transom plate broke and the engine was hanging on by a thread. The guys with the pontoon offered to pay the j. skiiers, but they wouldn't' take a dime. they just said ..."Glad to help and good luck" and zing'd their way back up in the lake. I thought that was pretty cool. |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Sep 20, 2:45*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 11:18*pm, Jim wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally *to plane we did quite a few hole shots. *we shut off for a while and I went swimming *the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. *I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! *I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. *You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. *But *i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. *Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. *Labor is going to be . . . a lot. *Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. *Or a dripping kid. Hey! I found it! *I muffed the boat this mornig and fired it up and just watched. *after a couple minutes, I saw water dripping from under the exhaust manifold, and shutting it down and turning the water off, I noticed where the steam was coming from. Sure enough a small crack had developed. That makes sense. under a hard pull the boat is tilted back and the water would run more freely. it's small enough that it's not going to cause any hassles, and I'll probably get one or two more runs this year out of it, but next year it'll have a new manifold on it. It's the origional since 1983, and I imagine it's getting fairly thin on the inside and would need replaced anyhow. thanks for the idea's, guys. Hey Tim! We just got back from Gettysburg, and I read about your low in the stern boat. Glad to hear you found the problem. Have you got towing insurance to cover you on those 'one or two more runs'? -- John H No towing insurance for me, John. after all we're on a lake and there's usually somebody who will give you a tow our of good will. I know I've done it many time, but I also know that if I need one, it'd probably get stuck deep in the wallet. Or worse... get towed by a good Samaritan with a jet ski! LOL!.. Actually I did see that happen last year. There were some folk who had a huge and loaded pontoon boat and from the docks we kept hearing this yyyeeeeooooweeeyyyyeeeeoooowwww noise and saw this pontoon headed for the docks. Actually it was being pulled by two jet skis, because one side of the the transom plate broke and the engine was hanging on by a thread. The guys with the pontoon offered to pay the j. skiiers, but they wouldn't' take a dime. they just said ..."Glad to help and good luck" and zing'd their way back up in the lake. I thought that was pretty cool. Yes sir, it was. I'd forgotten about the lake. Much different than losing a manifold fifteen miles up the bay from the marina. That was about a $550 tow that Boat US insurance picked up. -- John H |
My Chris craft. Where's the water coming from?
Tim wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:45 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 11:18 pm, Jim wrote: Tim wrote: On Sep 18, 10:10 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... 1983 Chris Craft 169, Mercuruiser 140 hp 3.0 with alpha 2. OK, here's the deal. Last time I took the nephew tubing, we puled hard, and naturally to plane we did quite a few hole shots. we shut off for a while and I went swimming the kids, and their mom laid around in the boat. I noticed the boat was sitting a bit low in the aft, at least enough for me to take notice. I asked her to go up by the wheel and flip the pump to "on" she did and the bildge started pumping. It pumped a pretty good stream for about a minute or so. Maybe 20 gallons? and the aft raised back up to a respectable level. i thought that was odd, because when I'm out on the lake by myself or with the wife just tooling around, I'll run on plane for quite a while. then when trailering up, I'll pull the plug and it seems I'm lucky to get a shot glass of water out of the hull. Wo I'm wondering how the water is getting in and what should I look for.? I realize that when soaked kids get back in the boat they're not dripping THAT much water... Weather permitting I'm planning on taking them out again this weekend. I'm sure all will be ok, but I AM wondering about the water situation. Thanks! I would look for a crack or leak in the bellows up higher than normal. You may have been lower in the water. I was wondering about that, Bill. I haven't inspected the billows since I had the boat, and I've stored it with the outdrive "up" for a season, and that's actually not recommended. I think this winter I'll tear it down and replace it, plus the impeller. also I wonder if it might be coming in around the gimble housing. But i've inspected the stern fromt he inside and have not seen any sign of seepage or leakige around the gimble housing gasket. hmmmm. If you have a leak in the bellows and that's how water got inside the boat, check to see if is a bearing on the drive shaft between the engine and out drive. If so, you now have to replace that bearing. Once it sees salt water it's days are numbered. With some out drives that bearing is held in place by a snap ring on either side, so you have to remove both the transmission on top of the out drive and the engine to get to both sides. Cost of bearing, $10. Labor is going to be . . . a lot. Let's hope you find a dripping water hose. Or a dripping kid. Hey! I found it! I muffed the boat this mornig and fired it up and just watched. after a couple minutes, I saw water dripping from under the exhaust manifold, and shutting it down and turning the water off, I noticed where the steam was coming from. Sure enough a small crack had developed. That makes sense. under a hard pull the boat is tilted back and the water would run more freely. it's small enough that it's not going to cause any hassles, and I'll probably get one or two more runs this year out of it, but next year it'll have a new manifold on it. It's the origional since 1983, and I imagine it's getting fairly thin on the inside and would need replaced anyhow. thanks for the idea's, guys. Hey Tim! We just got back from Gettysburg, and I read about your low in the stern boat. Glad to hear you found the problem. Have you got towing insurance to cover you on those 'one or two more runs'? -- John H No towing insurance for me, John. after all we're on a lake and there's usually somebody who will give you a tow our of good will. I know I've done it many time, but I also know that if I need one, it'd probably get stuck deep in the wallet. Or worse... get towed by a good Samaritan with a jet ski! LOL!.. Actually I did see that happen last year. There were some folk who had a huge and loaded pontoon boat and from the docks we kept hearing this yyyeeeeooooweeeyyyyeeeeoooowwww noise and saw this pontoon headed for the docks. Actually it was being pulled by two jet skis, because one side of the the transom plate broke and the engine was hanging on by a thread. The guys with the pontoon offered to pay the j. skiiers, but they wouldn't' take a dime. they just said ..."Glad to help and good luck" and zing'd their way back up in the lake. I thought that was pretty cool. That's the way it should be. |
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