On Sep 16, 1:46*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



The really disturbing part is the promoting of these feelings of fear and
uncertainty by "news services" such as Fox and Dick Army's Freedomworks.
Both of these groups know better. They should be ashamed of themselves.

There's no reason to insult the sensibilities of on concerned
Americans with untenable speculation. *You are right in that in as
much as the anxiety produced by the apparent path the country is
taking could be described as fear by less discerning persons, the
description fails to acknowledge legitimate concerns of those persons
who have their sensibilities assaulted, too, by statements such as
this; "One-party autocracy certainly has its drawbacks. But when it is
led by a reasonably enlightened group of people, as China is today, it
can also have great advantages," written by Tom Friedman for the NYT.

tom friedman isn't barack obama. and the signs carried by folks, like
in the recent rally in washington, saying that obama's some alien
communist atheist america hating...well you get the picture...


The obvious that smacks the 'enlightened' reader pugilistically
between the eyes is that any one-party rule

and the GOP had one party rule in this country for so long, it's
driven them crazy to even conceptualize the idea there could be
another party in power...so they think power was grabbed, not
legitimately transferred

is an open invitation for
the induction of a narcissitic Nero who may, on a whim, blithely pin
ne'er-do-wells to trees, coat with wax, and set afire to serve as
improvised night lights. *If the autocrat can be enlightened the
autocrat can be debauch. *But, this is just one of many scenarios that
has given rise to civil angst. *To posit an argument that hinges on
the 'puerile' fears of a few citizens is to criminally deprecate the
wide-spread, warranted hand-wringing over profligate spending by our
"enlightened" legates and imperators.

the biggest spenders in US history were ronald reagan and george w.
bush. where was the outrage when they busted the budget?

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 16, 1:46*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

snipped for brevity

the biggest spenders in US history were ronald reagan and george w.
bush. where was the outrage when they busted the budget?

Got up on the wrong side of a reasoned discourse this morning?

"House Speaker Thomas O'Neill (D., Mass.), who had tried to offset the
President's personal pulling power with some tough political talk of
his own, said after the vote that "the monkey is off the Democrat's
back. The federal budget cuts, as brutal as they are, are Reagan's
cuts."

Toledo Blade, May 8th, 1981

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On Sep 16, 12:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 16, 1:46*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

snipped for brevity



the biggest spenders in US history were ronald reagan and george w.
bush. where was the outrage when they busted the budget?

Got up on the wrong side of a reasoned discourse this morning?

"House Speaker Thomas O'Neill (D., Mass.), who had tried to offset the
President's personal pulling power with some tough political talk of
his own, said after the vote that "the monkey is off the Democrat's
back. *The federal budget cuts, as brutal as they are, are Reagan's
cuts."

Toledo Blade, May 8th, 1981


unfortunately for your distorted view of history, the right wing 'cato
institute' agrees with me:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750

President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in
inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even
after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is
still the biggest-spending president in 30 years

and for a longer view, the biggest budget busters have been
republicans:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_20409139/

Over the last 100 years, of the five presidents who reigned over the
largest domestic spending growth, four were Republicans. Taken in
order of expenditures, they were Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, Dwight
Eisenhower, Harry S. Truman (the lone Democrat), and George Bush.

and for a view of presidents and budget deficits, check

http://jimbuie.blogs.com/photos/unca...art_2006_2.gif

to see what a BIG spender reagan was compared to clinton.

now, right winger, go read. you might learn something

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 16, 12:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 16, 1:46*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

snipped for brevity



the biggest spenders in US history were ronald reagan and george w.
bush. where was the outrage when they busted the budget?

Got up on the wrong side of a reasoned discourse this morning?

"House Speaker Thomas O'Neill (D., Mass.), who had tried to offset the
President's personal pulling power with some tough political talk of
his own, said after the vote that "the monkey is off the Democrat's
back. *The federal budget cuts, as brutal as they are, are Reagan's
cuts."

Toledo Blade, May 8th, 1981


unfortunately for your distorted view of history, the right wing 'cato
institute' agrees with me:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750

President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in
inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even
after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is
still the biggest-spending president in 30 years

and for a longer view, the biggest budget busters have been
republicans:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_20409139/

Over the last 100 years, of the five presidents who reigned over the
largest domestic spending growth, four were Republicans. Taken in
order of expenditures, they were Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, Dwight
Eisenhower, Harry S. Truman (the lone Democrat), and George Bush.

and for a view of presidents and budget deficits, check

http://jimbuie.blogs.com/photos/unca...art_2006_2.gif

to see what a BIG spender reagan was compared to clinton.

now, right winger, go read. you might learn something

May the gentle reader please note, if one is disposed to an honest
scrutiny of the discourse, that this particular thread has devolved
from a discussion of what impels and compels those who object to the
ostensible, inexorable, oppression through legislation by government
and a recognition of the use of the strawman argument of racism
applied to those very objectors. My commentary was not read carefully
by this particular antagonist as this antagonist launched into his
standard rigamarole of "busted budgets" and whatever that is supposed
to suggest. The lack of an apprehensible commentary on his or her
part is best illustrated in the use of the ad hominem "right winger,"
which is applied through vacuous presupposition and palpable angst.

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On Sep 16, 2:30*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Sep 16, 12:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 16, 1:46*am, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:46:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"

snipped for brevity

the biggest spenders in US history were ronald reagan and george w.
bush. where was the outrage when they busted the budget?

Got up on the wrong side of a reasoned discourse this morning?

"House Speaker Thomas O'Neill (D., Mass.), who had tried to offset the
President's personal pulling power with some tough political talk of
his own, said after the vote that "the monkey is off the Democrat's
back. *The federal budget cuts, as brutal as they are, are Reagan's
cuts."

Toledo Blade, May 8th, 1981

unfortunately for your distorted view of history, the right wing 'cato
institute' agrees with me:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750

President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in
inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even
after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is
still the biggest-spending president in 30 years

and for a longer view, the biggest budget busters have been
republicans:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_20409139/

Over the last 100 years, of the five presidents who reigned over the
largest domestic spending growth, four were Republicans. Taken in
order of expenditures, they were Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, Dwight
Eisenhower, Harry S. Truman (the lone Democrat), and George Bush.

and for a view of presidents and budget deficits, check

http://jimbuie.blogs.com/photos/unca...5/natl_debt_ch...

to see what a BIG spender reagan was compared to clinton.

now, right winger, go read. you might learn something

May the gentle reader please note, if one is disposed to an honest
scrutiny of the discourse, that this particular thread has devolved
from a discussion of what impels and compels those who object to the
ostensible, inexorable, oppression through legislation by government

IOW 'his' form of govt...where the rich rule

and a recognition of the use of the strawman argument of racism
applied to those very objectors.

compared to a form of govt where the middle class has a voice...an
idea that's anathema to the rich-wannabee's


*My commentary was not read carefully
by this particular antagonist as this antagonist launched into his
standard rigamarole of "busted budgets" and whatever that is supposed
to suggest. *The lack of an apprehensible commentary on his or her
part is best illustrated in the use of the ad hominem "right winger,"
which is applied through vacuous presupposition and palpable angst.


and the poseur, faux sesquipedalianism belies the feigned
intellectualism of the bankrupt supplicants for right wing ideology