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Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas
Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In 2007, his wifes family was worth over $4.1 billion. George Soros who backed Obama's presidency is the 25th richest man in the world with a worth of over $11 billion. Soros made over a billion by attacking the Bank Of England causing devaluation of their currency Speeches are often given by people apparently related to implementing the policy in order to judge public reaction or to prepare the people for the implementation of the policy. Could this be the case with Friedman? Are these powerful types trying to prepare us for a Chinese style economy where we seem to have elected leaders but in reality all policy is made by czars and a cabal of elites? Clearly, it would be in the best interest of these powerful rich people to have the USA become a Chinese style Crony capitalism (aka Fascism). Many low level dems also know this and think they can ride the coat tails of the powerful to positions in such a system. |
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. *Thomas Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, *In 2007, his wifes family was worth over $4.1 billion. *George Soros who backed Obama's presidency is the 25th richest man in the world with a worth of over $11 billion. *Soros made over a billion by attacking the Bank Of England causing devaluation of their currency Speeches are often given by people apparently related to implementing the policy in order to judge public reaction or to prepare the people for the implementation of the policy. *Could this be the case with Friedman? *Are these powerful types trying to prepare us for a Chinese style economy where we seem to have elected leaders but in reality all policy is made by czars and a cabal of elites? *Clearly, it would be in the best interest of these powerful rich people to have the USA become a Chinese style Crony capitalism (aka Fascism). *Many low level dems also know this and think they can ride the coat tails of the powerful to positions in such a system. Soros recovered all his campaign contributions and then some, just from TARP money. He bet on the right side of the credit default swaps. A significant part of the AIG bailout went straight to Soros. Coincidence ? Maybe. Obama has padded his admin with all these unelected czars who make policy. They will maintain the fiction that we are a republic while implementing Chinese style fascism. Remember, a lot of the porkulus went directly to Obama cronies as a payoff for their election support. |
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... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:58:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama Meet the new boss Same as the old boss. There's no evidence that Obama is anything like either of the Bushs. He's a bit more like Clinton. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... Hardly. Clinton and Obama weren't from wealthy families, and didn't have the sort of advantages the Bush family money and connections produced for George H.W. Bush and his dumb son, George W. The difference between the two Bushes is astonishing. Whatever the father's shortcomings in terms of "connection" with the common man, no one can deny his intellectual abilities and his lifetime of hard work and public service. *He* was smart enough to not occupy Iraq. "W" was, is, and never will be more than a lazy, spoiled rich kid whose stupidity and arrogance drove this country to the brink of its grave. HWB was also a bonafide war hero, unlike his son. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. *Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, *In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume The "poor boy from Kennebunkport" was President, not a cronie. Good grief! |
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... Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama Meet the new boss Same as the old boss. There's no evidence that Obama is anything like either of the Bushs. He's a bit more like Clinton. They all appear to be in the pockets of "big business/big bank" It is not the silver spoon in their mouth when they were born as much as the 30 pieces of silver in their pockets they took to get elected. That is all 4 And the evidence for this is??? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sep 9, 1:58 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume The "poor boy from Kennebunkport" was President, not a cronie. Good grief! Good grief! He was the poor boy from Kennebuckport who hired his cronies. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... And the evidence for this is??? The difference between candidate Obama circa 3q 2007 - 1q 2008 (a guy I supported here) and president Obama today? He has this health care red herring and that is pretty much the only thing that makes his policies different than Bush. He doubled down on Bush's bailouts, Didn't close Gitmo, Didn't stop either war, didn't do anything about the erosion of our rights and doubled Bush's deficit New boss ... same as the old boss He has done much more than that. Re the bailout, he listened to the experts and did the right thing, as evidence, the economy is slowly improving. He is in the process of closing Gitmo, and he's winding down the war in Iraq. He never claimed he would do that in Afg. I have no idea what you're talking about re "our rights." He's opened up an investigation (limited right now) into the torture stuff. More is surely to come. While the deficit is an important issue, it's not unusual for that to happen. The gov't has to spend money to fix the near depression we're having. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:09:41 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Sep 9, 1:58 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume The "poor boy from Kennebunkport" was President, not a cronie. Good grief! Good grief! He was the poor boy from Kennebuckport who hired his cronies. Sort of reminds me of a poor boy from Arkansas who made trade policies that caused almost an 11 fold increase in his old cronies's revenues (Walmart $16B in 1992, $165B in 2000) His wife was on the board while he was governor. Talk about cronies. Did he hire his cronies to run departments? Are you going to blame Clinton for everything that's wrong with the country? Did he needlessly torture people? Did he start a war of choice? Did he give big business unfettered ability to pollute the environment? Did he eviscerate women's and minority's rights here and abroad? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:06:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:09:41 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Sep 9, 1:58 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume The "poor boy from Kennebunkport" was President, not a cronie. Good grief! Good grief! He was the poor boy from Kennebuckport who hired his cronies. Sort of reminds me of a poor boy from Arkansas who made trade policies that caused almost an 11 fold increase in his old cronies's revenues (Walmart $16B in 1992, $165B in 2000) His wife was on the board while he was governor. Talk about cronies. Did he hire his cronies to run departments? Are you going to blame Clinton for everything that's wrong with the country? Did he needlessly torture people? Did he start a war of choice? Did he give big business unfettered ability to pollute the environment? Did he eviscerate women's and minority's rights here and abroad? I'm a Clinton fan but he ****ed up pushing us toward globalism. It undercut our flagging manufacturing base and hastened the offshore move of many industries. Oh well, it was nice having a middle class while it lasted. |
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... On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:04:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. And the evidence for this is??? The difference between candidate Obama circa 3q 2007 - 1q 2008 (a guy I supported here) and president Obama today? He has this health care red herring and that is pretty much the only thing that makes his policies different than Bush. He doubled down on Bush's bailouts, Didn't close Gitmo, Didn't stop either war, didn't do anything about the erosion of our rights and doubled Bush's deficit New boss ... same as the old boss He has done much more than that. Re the bailout, he listened to the experts and did the right thing, as evidence, the economy is slowly improving. He is in the process of closing Gitmo, and he's winding down the war in Iraq. He never claimed he would do that in Afg. Nothing has actually happened. Nixon said he would get us out of Vietnam too. It just didn't happen until Ford finally pulled the plug. Do you really credit Ford with ending the war? I'm inclined to give Nixon that one, despite the timing. I have no idea what you're talking about re "our rights." He's opened up an investigation (limited right now) into the torture stuff. More is surely to come. Several years ago everyone on the left was howling about the patriot act. Obama rubber stamped it. Gitmo never affected our rights, only aliens who never set foot here (the point of Gitmo) It absolutely has. It's a slippery slope when you start treating the worst like animals. If you want a real example of losing your rights, look at the drug war. That was where the 4th amendment was shredded. It is also when illegal domestic wiretapping really took off. I don't see Obama softening that. I don't know of any examples of illegal wiretapping wrt to the drug war. However, the Bush administration pushed through the end run around the FISA court. Obama hasn't done enough to end that end run. While the deficit is an important issue, it's not unusual for that to happen. The gov't has to spend money to fix the near depression we're having. The real question is whether we made good choices in where we spent the money. I bet most of the people who voted for those phone book sized bills ever read any of them. They were catch alls, scooping up every pork bill that was languishing around the capitol for the last 8 years. Probably right, but you really can't blame Obama for this. I'm even willing to give Paulson a snap for doing what he and other economists thought was right. He didn't have any accountability in what he did, and Geitner did more toward that. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:06:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:09:41 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Sep 9, 1:58 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... Nancy Pelosi is supposedly the richest member of the senate. Thomas Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Good grief! Friedman of the New York Times who wrote that article about the USA should be an autocracy like China is also from a very rich family, In diatribe removed I guess none of Bush's cronies were rich. There once was a poor boy from Kennebunkport who... never mind. -- Nom=de=Plume The "poor boy from Kennebunkport" was President, not a cronie. Good grief! Good grief! He was the poor boy from Kennebuckport who hired his cronies. Sort of reminds me of a poor boy from Arkansas who made trade policies that caused almost an 11 fold increase in his old cronies's revenues (Walmart $16B in 1992, $165B in 2000) His wife was on the board while he was governor. Talk about cronies. Did he hire his cronies to run departments? Are you going to blame Clinton for everything that's wrong with the country? Did he needlessly torture people? Did he start a war of choice? Did he give big business unfettered ability to pollute the environment? Did he eviscerate women's and minority's rights here and abroad? I'm a Clinton fan but he ****ed up pushing us toward globalism. It undercut our flagging manufacturing base and hastened the offshore move of many industries. Oh well, it was nice having a middle class while it lasted. I don't think we can go back, but you're probably right that he pushed it too hard. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... Do you really credit Ford with ending the war? I'm inclined to give Nixon that one, despite the timing. I certainly do. Nixon started us towards the door but we were never going to get out of there until we got out of there. Well, too far away to argue about now... We don't have Dick Nixon to kick around any more. lol I see the same thing in Iraq. All it is going to take is the insurgents to roll over "our" side in one of those cities and we will be back in there. Our troops are just waiting for the next battle to start Ok. So, what do you propose? Should we allow the Iraqi gov't to stand on its own two feet or should be help if necessary? Do we really want that place to descend into chaos? I have no idea what you're talking about re "our rights." He's opened up an investigation (limited right now) into the torture stuff. More is surely to come. Several years ago everyone on the left was howling about the patriot act. Obama rubber stamped it. Gitmo never affected our rights, only aliens who never set foot here (the point of Gitmo) It absolutely has. It's a slippery slope when you start treating the worst like animals. I am not sure how much of that is true and how much is hype. By the gov't's own reporting, we tortured prisoners. Some even died. At least several were so mentally damaged that they can't stand trial. It's pretty well documented. Heck, even Darth Vader (aka Dick Cheney) admitted to knowing about it and agreeing with its use. If you want a real example of losing your rights, look at the drug war. That was where the 4th amendment was shredded. It is also when illegal domestic wiretapping really took off. I don't see Obama softening that. I don't know of any examples of illegal wiretapping wrt to the drug war. There is plenty (I get this from cops). They don't use illegal taps to get evidence, it would not be allowed in court. They just use it to "get lucky" on a traffic stop and say it came from an informant. In most cases it is not really the cop who does the tap. It is a paid informant. A distinction without a difference in my opinion This is, of course, hearsay. If it's not used in court, then there's really no way to show it happens or not. I believe most police to be honest and try to follow the spirit and letter of the law. They've certainly done right by me. However, the Bush administration pushed through the end run around the FISA court. Obama hasn't done enough to end that end run. How do you know that. FISA court proceedings are secret. All you know is it hasn't been leaked to the press yet. Some things are, some aren't... for example: http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2009...gold_fisa.html NSA always listens, everything they do is secret and largely unregulated in any real sense. Especially relatively recently. Speaking of Nixon, under Bush: In November 2002, the New York Times reported that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) was developing a tracking system called "Total Information Awareness" (TIA), which was intended to detect terrorists through analyzing troves of information. The system, developed under the direction of John Poindexter, then-director of DARPA's Information Awareness Office, was envisioned to give law enforcement access to private data without suspicion of wrongdoing or a warrant. Remember Poindexter? Read the section on the Iran-Contra affair if you don't remember: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter Probably right, but you really can't blame Obama for this. I'm even willing to give Paulson a snap for doing what he and other economists thought was right. He didn't have any accountability in what he did, and Geitner did more toward that. You are right, it is not directly Obama's fault but we always seem to blame the president for everything that happens on his watch. That is why I frequently talk about congress and why I read a lot of Thomas.loc.gov. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... Ok. So, what do you propose? Should we allow the Iraqi gov't to stand on its own two feet or should be help if necessary? Do we really want that place to descend into chaos? It will descend into some degree of chaos, no matter what we do. There is no way to get out without getting out. Southeast Asia was chaos for a few years after we left but now it is pretty much what our government always wanted it to be, a trading partner and a market for our cigarettes and beer. It's unclear that this is true. We've pulled back quite a bit, and the violence has increased, but it's not out of control. I think it's too early to just leave at this point. We'll likely have a role in the region there for a long time. By the gov't's own reporting, we tortured prisoners. Some even died. At least several were so mentally damaged that they can't stand trial. It's pretty well documented. Heck, even Darth Vader (aka Dick Cheney) admitted to knowing about it and agreeing with its use. The problem is the definition of torture and that seems to be changing by the day. Huh? Torture has been pretty well-defined since the Spanish Inquisition. We signed a treaty not to do it, we've prosecuted our own soldiers in the past for it, we've put others on trial as well. It's quite clearly defined. We should not be in that business. The situation needs to be fully investigated and those responsible need to be held accountable. I haven't had a problem either but I don't profile as a drug dealer I suppose. In real life neither of us know if our phone was tapped. I have been picked up and shaken on the highway and I went along with an illegal search because I had places to be and I just wanted to get out of there. These days, it probably is on some level being "tapped," although not specifically for anyone here. Picked up? Physically? I've been stopped before and asked if they could search the car. I said no, politely of course. My kids were asleep. They didn't like it much, but they let us go. Of course, I didn't look like much of a threat with two sleeping in the car. They didn't give me a ticket even though I was "speeding." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:30:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. Ok. So, what do you propose? Should we allow the Iraqi gov't to stand on its own two feet or should be help if necessary? Do we really want that place to descend into chaos? It will descend into some degree of chaos, no matter what we do. There is no way to get out without getting out. Southeast Asia was chaos for a few years after we left but now it is pretty much what our government always wanted it to be, a trading partner and a market for our cigarettes and beer. It's unclear that this is true. We've pulled back quite a bit, and the violence has increased, but it's not out of control. I think it's too early to just leave at this point. We'll likely have a role in the region there for a long time. Are we going to be the worlds policeman forever? That may have made sense when we were rich but we are broke. Did I or anyone say "forever"? I guess we do what we do until the people elect someone else. Huh? Torture has been pretty well-defined since the Spanish Inquisition. We signed a treaty not to do it, we've prosecuted our own soldiers in the past for it, we've put others on trial as well. It's quite clearly defined. We should not be in that business. The situation needs to be fully investigated and those responsible need to be held accountable. That is the problem. You confuse torture like ripping body parts off and inviceration with sleep depravation and water boarding (something that is a standard part of SEAL training). Waterboarding, for example, as been around since then, and it is torture. There are always worse things I suppose, but I don't understand your point. A little bit of torture is still torture. I doubt the people who were tortured by the gestapo would think it was the same. The military established what were legal interrogation methods and then went back on it. Our military? Nope. Waterboarding has always been illegal here, at least in modern times. I grew up knowing my phone was tapped. My mom worked for Hoffa on his legal team. That is chilling on 2 counts, warrantless taps and lawyer client privilege. It is pretty chilling for a high school kid to see his conversations with his girlfriend on an FBI wire tap transcript. I am not a Kennedy fan. Not sure what Kennedy has to do with it, but ok. Picked up? Physically? I've been stopped before and asked if they could search the car. I said no, politely of course. My kids were asleep. They didn't like it much, but they let us go. Of course, I didn't look like much of a threat with two sleeping in the car. They didn't give me a ticket even though I was "speeding." When I was stopped it wasn't really a question that cold be answered with a no. It was, can we search your car now or do you want to wait here for us to get a warrant? They can "search" your car with a dog without a warrant and if they SAY the dog alerted they have probable cause even when nothing was found. They can also detain you until the dog gets there as long as it is a reasonable time (undefined). All they have to do is look busy processing the traffic stop until the dog shows up. Sounds like normal procedure if there's something suspicious or you're driving while black or latino. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:47:16 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
Suing the government is usually a futile activity. You spend a lot of money and seldom win. And let's not forget the crime of driving with money. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/12/1296.asp |
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:04:09 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:47:16 -0400, wrote: Did you see the story about the 72 year old guy who was arrested last week at a checkpoint in the cape? He blew a 0.0 and they still insisted he was intoxicated and took urine. The cop said it came back positive for a drug the guy says he wasn't taking based on a test strip. Too bad, off you go. They are still waiting for the lab report. The Cape Chief was interviewed in the snooze press and he was asked, what if the urine test is really indicating something you took days ago. He said too bad, if the cop thinks you are intoxicated you are guilty. Interesting. I saw the original story but not the follow up. I met Petrovich once and he seemed like a reasonable guy. Maybe not. Something is definitely wrong with that whole incident and I hope it gets adjudicated in an intelligent manner. The problem with these kinds of news reports is that you don't know what prompted the investigation initially. It might have been an open container - there may have been visual or verbal clues - could be anything. I was stopped once after a 24 hour shift when we had a rash of medical incidents and I was the only available medic - I had maybe half hour of sleep or so and was stopped on the way home - I guess I was less than driving a straight line. Everything came back negative, but the cop was still suspicious, but he called the Chief and he explained the situation - he came out, I parked the car and the Chief took me home from there. You just can't have an opinion based on incomplete information. |
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:36:24 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
The problem with these kinds of news reports is that you don't know what prompted the investigation initially. It might have been an open container - there may have been visual or verbal clues - could be anything. I was stopped once after a 24 hour shift when we had a rash of medical incidents and I was the only available medic - I had maybe half hour of sleep or so and was stopped on the way home - I guess I was less than driving a straight line. Everything came back negative, but the cop was still suspicious, but he called the Chief and he explained the situation - he came out, I parked the car and the Chief took me home from there. You just can't have an opinion based on incomplete information. Times may be a-changing. Here in NJ, we have Maggie's Law, which allows sleep deprived drivers to be charged with vehicular homicide if any one is killed because of a drowsy driver. There have been studies demonstrating that people who have been awake for 24 hours are impaired to the same level as someone with a blood alcohol level of .10. Which raises all sorts of interesting liability issues: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...8/12/31404.htm |
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:36:24 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: The problem with these kinds of news reports is that you don't know what prompted the investigation initially. It might have been an open container - there may have been visual or verbal clues - could be anything. I believe it was a DUI checkpoint. It will be an interesting case if it goes to court. We have a lot of drivers in FL who are impaired by age, nothing else. |
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:53:48 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:36:24 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: The problem with these kinds of news reports is that you don't know what prompted the investigation initially. It might have been an open container - there may have been visual or verbal clues - could be anything. I was stopped once after a 24 hour shift when we had a rash of medical incidents and I was the only available medic - I had maybe half hour of sleep or so and was stopped on the way home - I guess I was less than driving a straight line. Everything came back negative, but the cop was still suspicious, but he called the Chief and he explained the situation - he came out, I parked the car and the Chief took me home from there. You just can't have an opinion based on incomplete information. Times may be a-changing. Here in NJ, we have Maggie's Law, which allows sleep deprived drivers to be charged with vehicular homicide if any one is killed because of a drowsy driver. There have been studies demonstrating that people who have been awake for 24 hours are impaired to the same level as someone with a blood alcohol level of .10. Which raises all sorts of interesting liability issues: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...8/12/31404.htm Believe me - I know from sleep deprivation and driving. Ashamed to admit it, but it's true. And I think it should be treated the same as drunk driving - the results are the same. |
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:01:29 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...8/12/31404.htm Believe me - I know from sleep deprivation and driving. Ashamed to admit it, but it's true. Haven't we all? I have mixed emotions about the law, however. It seems to me, a public service campaign citing the dangers of drowsy driving might have been a better way to go. Vehicular homicide seems a little harsh for someone who may not even know he has broken a law, let alone know the dangers of drowsy driving. And I think it should be treated the same as drunk driving - the results are the same. I can't deny that. Yet, while there are people who have never tasted alcohol, let alone driven drunk, I'll bet there are few who haven't pushed the envelope when it comes to drowsy driving. Still, people are dying because of our stupidity. I wonder how long it will be before liability for sleep deprivation hits the workplace. Working in the oil field, I can remember some very long hours, adding danger to the already risky job. I still have all my fingers, but sometimes I wonder how I retained them. ;-) |
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:35:20 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:01:29 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...8/12/31404.htm Believe me - I know from sleep deprivation and driving. Ashamed to admit it, but it's true. Haven't we all? I have mixed emotions about the law, however. It seems to me, a public service campaign citing the dangers of drowsy driving might have been a better way to go. Vehicular homicide seems a little harsh for someone who may not even know he has broken a law, let alone know the dangers of drowsy driving. Good point. And I think it should be treated the same as drunk driving - the results are the same. I can't deny that. Yet, while there are people who have never tasted alcohol, let alone driven drunk, I'll bet there are few who haven't pushed the envelope when it comes to drowsy driving. Still, people are dying because of our stupidity. Also a good point. I've often wondered if it's because our society has become so complex that we can't help but be distracted in one way or another. At the Battle of Hue, I was up for 36 hours straight and finally collapsed - flat out collapsed and woke up in Danang a day later - have no idea how I got there. I know I walked out to the LZ for evacuation because I was told I did - don't remember anything about it though and about half of the time I was there. Not a thing. I wonder how long it will be before liability for sleep deprivation hits the workplace. Working in the oil field, I can remember some very long hours, adding danger to the already risky job. I still have all my fingers, but sometimes I wonder how I retained them. ;-) Oh - we could swap stories I'll bet. I damn near fell off a production platform I was so freakin' tired - lucky an oil worker was right there and grabbed me before I wandered off the side. :) Damn - now that I think about it... I'm going to take a nap.... :) |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
You just can't have an opinion based on incomplete information. Happens here all the time. ;-) |
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