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Mille GT Owner August 25th 09 11:24 PM

Back in the USSR
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:53 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.


What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?


Loogy, if I knew what 'mess' Bush left in Afghanistan, and If Obama
would be specific about what he is 'cleaning up', then I wouldn't have
the question.

Do you realize that you, et al, have provided umpteen responses, none
of which provide any more of an answer than 'clean up the mess'.

What 'mess' did Bush leave?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

nom=de=plume August 25th 09 11:36 PM

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"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
. ..
You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous



If you don't know, no amount of fact presentation at this point will make
it
clear.


You guys simply can't answer the question, so you tap dance.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous



It's been answered (here and elsewhere) many times. You can lead a horse to
water, but....


--
Nom=de=Plume



Calif Bill[_2_] August 25th 09 11:49 PM

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"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 25, 1:55 pm, Jack wrote:
On Aug 25, 12:22 pm, wf3h wrote:





We now have a brand-new intelligence agency that reports directly
to
the White House called the HIG. Three letters, as in KGB.
Coincidence?


the CIA and FBI were created by obama?


do tell!!


Non sequitur, and those weren't created by Bush either, dimwit.


hey moron...they have 3 letters. if you right wingers are gonna go off
on a tin foil hat binge, allow me to join in


You're leading the koolaid drinking, tin foil hat brigade, so carry
on...


says the guy who single-handedly boosted alcoa's stock prices...




The HIG *was* created by Obama. A new intelligence agency that reports
to him.


your contention is that all 3 letter intelligence groups are evil


Never wrote or implied that, try to keep up.


gee. i hope the alzheimer's medicine is working, because here's what
was said:

We now have a brand-new intelligence agency that reports directly
to
the White House called the HIG. Three letters, as in KGB.
Coincidence?


i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you forgot,
because the alternative is that you're just stupid.



I did report that obama
created yet another "intelligence" agency that reports to him, instead
of using the existing ones we already have. Bush does something like
that, and you moonbats are screaming that he's evil. Obama does it,
and you're cozy with it. Have some more koolaid.


given the fact that every time obama farts in the oval office, you
guys think he's ready to mount a gas attack on the US, yes, it does
seem you have a problem keeping your diapers clean.


I admitted nothing. I pointed out that the government had those
"powers" before Bush, and continue to have them to this day. You have
a reading comprehension problem?


and yet you somehow think that it's obama's fault. you guys are
stranger than fiction


Your lack of brainpower is even stranger. What is it about those
powers have I blamed on anyone? The government granted itself those
powers long before Bush or obama ever thought about inhabiting the
White House. You're the one that blamed it on Bush, when in reality
those powers have existed long before he took office, and now
obviously continue to exist.


and yet you guys keep whining about obama...it seems you don't even
read what you write.


reply:
Maybe it is an arm of this HIG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezb-e-Islami_Gulbuddin



Calif Bill[_2_] August 25th 09 11:56 PM

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"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 25, 4:32 pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 7:32 am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see
the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist
Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------


guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....


and used those powers.


obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed


Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--


ever hear of 9/11?


oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.


well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.


Yes, I've heard of 9/11.

Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?

Haven't they reached 9/11 in your classes? Taliban did not attack us. They
allowed Al quaida to have traing camps there. They supported the Taliban,
but did not attack us.



wf3h August 26th 09 12:10 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 25, 6:56*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Aug 25, 4:32 pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:





On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 25, 7:32 am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see
the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist
Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------


guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....


and used those powers.


obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed


Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--


ever hear of 9/11?


oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.


well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.


Yes, I've heard of 9/11.


Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?

Haven't they reached 9/11 in your classes? *Taliban did not attack us. *They
allowed Al quaida to have traing camps there. *They supported the Taliban,
but did not attack us.-


which, of course, means they attacked us

i realize common sense is not required on your planet, but on earth we
do try to use it on occasion.

SteveB August 26th 09 12:29 AM

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

You must be a very angry person.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Or observant.



Should probably start by looking in the mirror...

--
Nom=de=Plume


Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?


steve



My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion with
those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the mirror.
That's what I'm saying.
--
Nom=de=Plume



It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?

Steve



Mille GT Owner August 26th 09 12:58 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 4:32*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 7:32*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 24, 11:35*pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------


guess he's unhappy now that bush is *no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....


and used those powers.


obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed


Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--


ever hear of 9/11?


oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.


well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.


Yes, I've heard of 9/11.

Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?


And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.

Remember?

These guys: (from Wikipedia)

Al-Qaeda, alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida,
(Arabic: ????????; al-qa-?idah; translation: The Base) is an Islamist
group founded sometime between August 1988[5] and late 1989/early
1990.[6] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational,
stateless arm[7] and a fundamentalist Sunni movement calling for
Jihadi international .

Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various
countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001.
These actions were followed by the US government launching the War on
Terrorism. As of 2009, the group is believed to have between 200 and
300 members.[8]

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

Mille GT Owner August 26th 09 01:10 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:36:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
...
You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous


If you don't know, no amount of fact presentation at this point will make
it
clear.


You guys simply can't answer the question, so you tap dance.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous



It's been answered (here and elsewhere) many times. You can lead a horse to
water, but....


Ah yes, to clean up what Bush left, to disrupt the Taliban's attempt
to attack us (which they've never done anyway), and to clean up the
mess Bush left behind. Oh, and because Bush got us in there.

Maybe Obama wants some of the Talibans opium production? That's as
good as any of the 'reasons' you've propounded.


The arguments presented by you, wf3h, and Loogy all have the same
degree of merit.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

Mille GT Owner August 26th 09 01:14 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:26 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

You must be a very angry person.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Or observant.



Should probably start by looking in the mirror...

--
Nom=de=Plume

Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?


steve



My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion with
those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the mirror.
That's what I'm saying.
--
Nom=de=Plume



It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?

Steve


You are correct, of course. He, wf3h, and Loogy seem to be sharing
notes.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

wf3h August 26th 09 01:34 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 25, 7:58*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

--


ever hear of 9/11?


oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.


well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.


Yes, I've heard of 9/11.


Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan


haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?


And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.


well, glad to disabuse you of your simplistic and all too naive
concepts. glad to be of service.


Remember?

These guys: (from Wikipedia)


hmmm...worse than i thought. he gets his worldview from
'wikipedia'...my optimism was premature...




Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various
countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001.
These actions were followed by the US government launching the War on
Terrorism. As of 2009, the group is believed to have between 200 and
300 members.[8]

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--


have you noticed how clueless reactionaries are about history?
astonishing...

Jack[_3_] August 26th 09 02:19 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 25, 7:58*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 4:32*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 25, 7:32*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:


On Aug 24, 11:35*pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------


guess he's unhappy now that bush is *no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....


and used those powers.


obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed


Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--


ever hear of 9/11?


oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.


well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.


Yes, I've heard of 9/11.


Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan


haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?


And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.

Remember?

These guys: (from Wikipedia)

Al-Qaeda, alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida,
(Arabic: ????????; al-qa-?idah; translation: The Base) is an Islamist
group founded sometime between August 1988[5] and late 1989/early
1990.[6] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational,
stateless arm[7] and a fundamentalist Sunni movement calling for
Jihadi international .

Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various
countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001.
These actions were followed by the US government launching the War on
Terrorism. As of 2009, the group is believed to have between 200 and
300 members.[8]

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous-


John,

The title of this thread is "Back in the USSR", and when wf3h failed
to grasp the concept of my comparing the HIG to the KGB, I realized I
was attempting to engage in debate with an unarmed man.

He rides the short bus. Leave him be.

Jack[_3_] August 26th 09 02:29 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 25, 5:01*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."


Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? *And
then place it under the control of the White House?


Don't have a conclusive answer, but I have heard time and time again
that the FBI has the most productive interrogation techniques of any
agency, and the CIA can't hold a candle to them. *No expertise.


That may be true, but the FBI's results are far more public than the
CIA's. Since they are rivals and government agencies, we mere mortals
only hear what we are allowed to hear.

As far as bureaucracy, I've heard that all the outsourcing done in the
last 15 or so years just adds layers, and costs.
Couldn't believe the Army can't cook for itself, and Blackwater gets
hired for that at much more cost.
I'd like to see some cost numbers on what the CIA paid its contracted
"interrogators" versus what it would cost the FBI to do it.


All that is nice, but has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
We're not talking about outsourcing, we're talking about the current
admin creating a new agency, directly under its control, with the
supposed agenda of gathering high value intel. According to you, the
FBI is already capable of this, and with some marching orders they can
do it. No outsourcing involved.

What are we not being told? Why the new agency, with direct report to
the White House? This smells, and you know it.

wf3h August 26th 09 02:29 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 25, 9:19*pm, Jack wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:58*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan


haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?


And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.


Remember?


These guys: (from Wikipedia)

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--
John H


"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous-


John,

The title of this thread is "Back in the USSR", and when wf3h failed
to grasp the concept of my comparing the HIG to the KGB, I realized I
was attempting to engage in debate with an unarmed man.

He rides the short bus. *Leave him be.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


what i grasped was that counting to 3 is your big accomplishment for
the year

my hearty and sincere congratulations to you and your family.

nom=de=plume August 26th 09 02:43 AM

Back in the USSR
 
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?

My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion with
those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the mirror.
That's what I'm saying.

It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?



So, basically, you have nothing to say, except to attack those with whom you
disagree. Got it!


--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume August 26th 09 02:44 AM

Back in the USSR
 
"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
...
You are correct, of course. He, wf3h, and Loogy seem to be sharing
notes.



AKA thinking.

--
Nom=de=Plume



JustWait August 26th 09 04:31 AM

Back in the USSR
 
In article ,
says...

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:
http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.


What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?


Again with this... "I heard it on MSNBC so it must be true for
everyone" attitude... So a couple of disgruntled Generals spewed off,
bit frekin' deal..

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait August 26th 09 05:09 AM

Back in the USSR
 
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:53 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:
http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?


Loogy, if I knew what 'mess' Bush left in Afghanistan, and If Obama
would be specific about what he is 'cleaning up', then I wouldn't have
the question.

Do you realize that you, et al, have provided umpteen responses, none
of which provide any more of an answer than 'clean up the mess'.

What 'mess' did Bush leave?


Well, there's all those schools, with girls in them! There's at least a
government elected by the people in the Capital city, they have leaders
who can be brought to a table... They have a national economy "that is
legal" and many more options than they had before we went in... For
****ing starters. There, I can post without the bumper sticker latest
lie...

--
Wafa free since 2009

Vic Smith August 26th 09 05:30 AM

Back in the USSR
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Aug 25, 5:01Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."


Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? Â*And
then place it under the control of the White House?


Don't have a conclusive answer, but I have heard time and time again
that the FBI has the most productive interrogation techniques of any
agency, and the CIA can't hold a candle to them. Â*No expertise.


That may be true, but the FBI's results are far more public than the
CIA's. Since they are rivals and government agencies, we mere mortals
only hear what we are allowed to hear.

As far as bureaucracy, I've heard that all the outsourcing done in the
last 15 or so years just adds layers, and costs.
Couldn't believe the Army can't cook for itself, and Blackwater gets
hired for that at much more cost.
I'd like to see some cost numbers on what the CIA paid its contracted
"interrogators" versus what it would cost the FBI to do it.


All that is nice, but has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
We're not talking about outsourcing, we're talking about the current
admin creating a new agency, directly under its control, with the
supposed agenda of gathering high value intel. According to you, the
FBI is already capable of this, and with some marching orders they can
do it. No outsourcing involved.

What are we not being told? Why the new agency, with direct report to
the White House? This smells, and you know it.


*I'm* talking about outsourcing interrogation to amateurs, which is
what the Bush admin did.
HIG is defined as an "interagency team of interrogators" in the
article I posted. For all we know HIG interrogation teams will be
staffed by FBI pros, already on the payroll, so there's no need to
bring in highly paid civilian jomocas whose expertise is crowing
"I can make the SOB talk. Give me some water and a board and he'll
tell us exactly what we want to hear."
How come all of a sudden you want to know all the anti-terrorism
secrets?
And it doesn't smell to me, or worry me at all.
That's what opposing parties are for. I wish the Reps all the luck
the Dems had in protecting the interests of American citizens.
Whine away.
BTW, I'm opposed to selling the store to the executive, whatever the
party. So I want to hear the Reps whine at least as loud as the Dems
did. It'll be fun hearing the Dems call them traitors and terrorist
sympathizers too. And so it goes.
That's why America is great!

--Vic

SteveB August 26th 09 07:47 AM

Back in the USSR
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?
My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion
with those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the
mirror. That's what I'm saying.

It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?



So, basically, you have nothing to say, except to attack those with whom
you disagree. Got it!


--
Nom=de=Plume


A statement of fact is not an ad hominem attack. Go to the ladies section
at the drug store and get some skin thickener.

Steve



wf3h August 26th 09 05:04 PM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 26, 11:53*am, U-joint Buster wrote:


I finished with him last night. He's just not realized it yet.
--
John H


the primary characteristic of the redneck right is that you tell each
other how great you are.

strange that no one else notices.

wf3h August 26th 09 06:39 PM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 26, 11:57*am, U-joint Buster wrote:


More 'Bush Rationale' bull****.

Loogy, I put your arguments right up there alongside nomdeplum and
wf3h.


wow. i'm honored....speechless...

i'd like to thank the academy....my parents...my wonderful school
teachers...

wf3h August 27th 09 12:20 PM

Back in the USSR
 
On Aug 26, 10:13*pm, JustWait wrote:


Uh, you don't know for **** why he went from Afghanistan to Iraq, but
you do know the bumper sticker reason and like WF3H and Harry, blindly
interject it into every post...


says the guy who thinks neville chamberlain was more of a hero than
christ, ghandi and MLK put together.


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