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Shaeffer Tells it like It Is
Here's what's happening in our country, as told by a man who understands the motivation behind the birthers, tea baggers and the intimidation that Glenn Beck's loonies are inspired to inflict. Rachel Maddow's first guest this evening was Frank Schaeffer. He is a former right wing evangelical and the author of Crazy for God. Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Schaeffer: Yes I do. In fact this rings a big bell with me because my dad who is a right wing evangelical leader wrote a book called "A Christian Manifesto"...and in that book he compared anybody who was pro-abortion to the nazi Germans; and he said that using violence or force to overthrow nazi Germany would have been appropriate for Christians including the assassination of Hitler. He compared the Supreme Court's actions on abortion to that. And that has been a note that has been following the right wing movement that my father and I helped start... So what's being said here is really two messages: there's the message to the predominatly white, middle-aged crowds of people screaming at these meetings trying to shut them down; but there's also a coded message to what I would call the "looney tunes" - the fruitloops on the side - that's really like playing Russian roulette. You put a cartridge in the chamber and you spin and once in a while it goes off, and we saw that with Dr. Tiller, we've seen it happen numerous times in this country with the violence against political leaders whether it's Martin Luther King or whoever it might be... we have a history of being a well-armed violent country. And so, really, I think that these calls are incredibly irresponsible. The good news is is that it shows a desparation. The far right knows they've lost. They've lost the hearts and minds of most American people... But they also know that they have a large group of people who are not well-informed, who listen to their own sources, who buy the lies...and these people can be energized to go out and do really dreadful things and we've seen it in front of abortion clinics - I'm afraid we're going to see it with some of our political leaders. And the Glenn Becks of this world literally are responsible for unleashing what I regard as an anti-democratic, anti-american movement in this country that is trying to shut down legitimate debate and replace it with straight out intimidation. |
Shaeffer Tells it like It Is
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote:
Here's what's happening in our country, as told by a man who understands the motivation behind the birthers, tea baggers and the intimidation that Glenn Beck's loonies are inspired to inflict. Rachel Maddow's first guest this evening was Frank Schaeffer. He is a former right wing evangelical and the author of Crazy for God. And you guys complain about Rush Limbaugh.... Jeeesy Pete! -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Shaeffer Tells it like It Is
Gene wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:10:25 -0400, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. The amazing thing is that they can't see it! And even if they *do* have an inkling.... its OK because *their* side is the *correct* side. I can remember when these guys actually owned boats and used them. Arguments erupted about stinkboaters vs. blowboaters, Bayliner sucks vs. does not, and whether or not everybody should own and use a sextant. Now, look what they talk about..... Yes, indeed! |
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BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. If you see behavior you do not like, speak up. But, when you only speak up when it is being performed by those whose views you are in opposition with you are viewed as a hypocrite. You certainly aren't describing me. I speak up to Harry and his minion all of the time. |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:32:42 -0400, Gene
wrote: That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. Strong possibility that it's 1 and 2. Bayliners do suck however. :-) |
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Gene wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. Very true, that's why I got on the real newsreader bandwagon and with a few plonks, life is good! I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? Perhaps both, my good man! |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:32:42 -0400, Gene wrote: That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. Strong possibility that it's 1 and 2. Bayliners do suck however. :-) As do cut out transoms. And pirates. And lobsta boats..........Okay, I'll stop! |
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Gene wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:35:46 -0400, BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. If you see behavior you do not like, speak up. But, when you only speak up when it is being performed by those whose views you are in opposition with you are viewed as a hypocrite. No, you are labeled a hypocrite, regardless, by the *other* or the *other other* self-righteous side..... Gene it is too bad that you have never asked me my views on organized religion, you would be surprised by my views. When I question your rabid views of religion you make the assumption that I am a fundie. You like to come across as a live and let live type of person. Yes, when people question your authority or your positions your behavior is often worse than a fundie. |
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NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. If you see behavior you do not like, speak up. But, when you only speak up when it is being performed by those whose views you are in opposition with you are viewed as a hypocrite. You certainly aren't describing me. I speak up to Harry and his minion all of the time. I am not talking about Harry nor his minions. |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:14:46 -0400, BAR wrote:
Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:35:46 -0400, BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. If you see behavior you do not like, speak up. But, when you only speak up when it is being performed by those whose views you are in opposition with you are viewed as a hypocrite. No, you are labeled a hypocrite, regardless, by the *other* or the *other other* self-righteous side..... Gene it is too bad that you have never asked me my views on organized religion, you would be surprised by my views. When I question your rabid views of religion you make the assumption that I am a fundie. You like to come across as a live and let live type of person. Yes, when people question your authority or your positions your behavior is often worse than a fundie. He does like to make assumptions about the religious beliefs of others. He's never queried me either, yet he assumes I have beliefs he knows nothing of. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:05:12 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:24:13 -0400, J. Leo wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:14:46 -0400, BAR wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:35:46 -0400, BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Yes, Gene and I have been saying the same thing. I didn't like it (still don't) when Harry is completely one sided on everything, and I don't like it now that the conservatives of the group are doing the same exact thing with Obama. If you see behavior you do not like, speak up. But, when you only speak up when it is being performed by those whose views you are in opposition with you are viewed as a hypocrite. No, you are labeled a hypocrite, regardless, by the *other* or the *other other* self-righteous side..... Gene it is too bad that you have never asked me my views on organized religion, you would be surprised by my views. When I question your rabid views of religion you make the assumption that I am a fundie. You like to come across as a live and let live type of person. Yes, when people question your authority or your positions your behavior is often worse than a fundie. He does like to make assumptions about the religious beliefs of others. He's never queried me either, yet he assumes I have beliefs he knows nothing of. Both of you have made allegations that I have made assumptions about you. Please point to the post where I made any sort of assumption regarding what or how you personally believe... Go find any sentence of yours that contains the phrase 'you folks'. I'm not doing the searching for you. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Gene wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:10:39 -0400, H the K
wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Don't contradict Gene, he doesn't cotton to it. |
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jps wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:10:39 -0400, H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Don't contradict Gene, he doesn't cotton to it. I have to cut gene some slack, because, as you know, the "rules" require each of us to maintain discussions with at least one fleeg* in this newsgroup. Mine is JustHateaFreak...gene's must be loogy. * fleeg a person with a flat-lined EEG. |
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H the K wrote:
Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Can we count on you to keep your fat mouth shut on the topics that don't interest you? Didn't think so. |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:22:44 -0700, jps wrote: Rachel: Do you think that calling the President a "nazi"...calling the President "Hilter"...is an implicit call for politically motivated violence? Didn't we just have 8 years of democrats calling Bush a nazi and worse? I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. We are constantly ratcheting down the acceptable level of dialog. I have noticed it is funny how people's attitude changes when it is their guy getting attacked. I really think this started in the 60s but it continues to get worse. Nobody was putting mustaches or swasticka's on Obama until Pelosi said they were and she was called on it.. Only after did the pictures start showing up but you can be sure it wasn't gradnma' and grandpa' who were posting them. It was DNC operatives trying to save Pelosi's lying ass again... It's Sunday morning. You should be in church instead of drinking O.J. laced with your old stash of terpin hydrate. |
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Arrr Matey. It'sJim wrote:
H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Can we count on you to keep your fat mouth shut on the topics that don't interest you? Didn't think so. You just have to wonder why he comes here if it's so terrible for him. Either narcissism, or self abuse, or both. |
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"H the K" wrote in message m... jps wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:10:39 -0400, H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Don't contradict Gene, he doesn't cotton to it. I have to cut gene some slack, because, as you know, the "rules" require each of us to maintain discussions with at least one fleeg* in this newsgroup. Mine is JustHateaFreak...gene's must be loogy. * fleeg a person with a flat-lined EEG. Lucky Gene...he gets stuck with a LooneyTune. |
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Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message m... jps wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:10:39 -0400, H the K wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:19:17 -0400, NotNow wrote: I speak up to Harry and his minions all of the time. I used to, but it became obvious, that to say *anything*, was somewhere between pouring water on a duck's back and fanning the flames. I always assumed that the *other* side would be smart enough to catch on and "nip it in the bud;" sort of a one hand clapping scenario. That never happened, so, I must conclude that (1) I was wrong and they are so incredibly stupid that they'll never catch on or (2) that they are just like Harry, enjoy it as much as he does, and intend to keep it going just so they'll have a life, too. What else could it be? You have conversations with Loogy. I don't. I avoid stepping "in it" with most of the the non-boating or "rarely boats" slime in this newsgroup, yet most of them are obsessed with me, even though I ignore them. This isn't a "boating" newsgroup anymore. Other than you and a couple of others, with whom it is worthwhile to discuss boats? As I have stated several times, I have no interest in the children or grandchildren of people I don't know, or golf, or recipes for high cholesterol redneck food, or homebrew beer, or travel trailers, or "back when we were young and losing the war in Vietnam, et cetera. Don't contradict Gene, he doesn't cotton to it. I have to cut gene some slack, because, as you know, the "rules" require each of us to maintain discussions with at least one fleeg* in this newsgroup. Mine is JustHateaFreak...gene's must be loogy. * fleeg a person with a flat-lined EEG. Lucky Gene...he gets stuck with a LooneyTune. As did Mrs. Loogy and all the littleloogy rugrats... |
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