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I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover
of it. Remember that the Feds took over a Nevada whorehouse for back taxes, and couldn't make it work? The President and his Congress have rushed into a government plan without apparently considering other options. For example, they should look at the Swiss program where health care is all privately funded with close government oversight. Over a thousand state and Federal mandates have forced health insurance premiums through the roof. Prohibiting drug purchases by the Feds from foreign sources is a budget buster. Disallowing insurance pools ought to be eliminated. Allowing interstate purchase of insurance ought to be a no-brainer. Tort reform must be a part of the fix, unless the lawmakers have been so co-opted by the trial lawyers association they can't make a move. I have read much of the House bill, (something the Congressmen haven't done), and my mind is boggled at the creation of a bureaucrat's wet dream! Who writes that crap? Where and when were hearings conducted to receive input from experts in the field, and from the loyal opposition? I'm no birther, no right-wing Republican, no neo-Nazi. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. I think for myself, refusing to toe any party's line, unlike some folks in this forum. Now, Harry, et al, take your shot at killing the messenger rather than offering constructive thought. |
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Lu Powell wrote:
I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I think for myself, refusing to toe any party's line, unlike some folks in this forum. It's becoming more and more interesting looking at the people who are protesting health care reform. Senior citizens, who clearly have Medicare. And I've never seen anyone protest being eligible for Medicare. I don't see young people, with kids, in those audiences, just people who already have a government run health care plan, protesting against what they already have. I'd bet there is no one who has no health insurance among the protesters. I believe the protesters have another agenda, for they can't believe what their signs say, for they already have what they protest against. Obama haters, closeted racists, "good" Republicans, who hate everything that's not them. Taking their direction from organizations such as "Freedom Works," maybe not even knowing that's where their directions are coming from. "Toeing the party line," indeed. Now, Harry, et al, take your shot at killing the messenger rather than offering constructive thought. |
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"Jim" wrote in message m... Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I think for myself, refusing to toe any party's line, unlike some folks in this forum. It's becoming more and more interesting looking at the people who are protesting health care reform. Senior citizens, who clearly have Medicare. And I've never seen anyone protest being eligible for Medicare. I don't see young people, with kids, in those audiences, just people who already have a government run health care plan, protesting against what they already have. I'd bet there is no one who has no health insurance among the protesters. I believe the protesters have another agenda, for they can't believe what their signs say, for they already have what they protest against. Obama haters, closeted racists, "good" Republicans, who hate everything that's not them. Taking their direction from organizations such as "Freedom Works," maybe not even knowing that's where their directions are coming from. "Toeing the party line," indeed. Now, Harry, et al, take your shot at killing the messenger rather than offering constructive thought. Don't know what "Freedom Works" is. Never was a "good" Republican. Do know how to spot cynicism and blind allegiance to a liberal agenda. |
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"Jim" wrote in message m... Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I think for myself, refusing to toe any party's line, unlike some folks in this forum. It's becoming more and more interesting looking at the people who are protesting health care reform. Senior citizens, who clearly have Medicare. And I've never seen anyone protest being eligible for Medicare. I don't see young people, with kids, in those audiences, just people who already have a government run health care plan, protesting against what they already have. I'd bet there is no one who has no health insurance among the protesters. I believe the protesters have another agenda, for they can't believe what their signs say, for they already have what they protest against. Obama haters, closeted racists, "good" Republicans, who hate everything that's not them. Taking their direction from organizations such as "Freedom Works," maybe not even knowing that's where their directions are coming from. "Toeing the party line," indeed. Now, Harry, et al, take your shot at killing the messenger rather than offering constructive thought. ....and the points about alternative solutions are merely ignored? Harry isn't the only one trying to kill the messenger while failing to look at ideas. |
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On Aug 7, 8:12*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message m... Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives.. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I think for myself, refusing to toe any party's line, unlike some folks in this forum. It's becoming more and more interesting looking at the people who are protesting health care reform. *Senior citizens, who clearly have Medicare. *And I've never seen anyone protest being eligible for Medicare. I don't see young people, with kids, in those audiences, just people who already have a government run health care plan, protesting against what they already have. I'd bet there is no one who has no health insurance among the protesters. I believe the protesters have another agenda, for they can't believe what their signs say, for they already have what they protest against. Obama haters, closeted racists, "good" Republicans, who hate everything that's not them. *Taking their direction from organizations such as "Freedom Works," maybe not even knowing that's where their directions are coming from. "Toeing the party line," indeed. Now, Harry, et al, take your shot at killing the messenger rather than offering constructive thought. ...and the points about alternative solutions are merely ignored? Harry isn't the only one trying to kill the messenger while failing to look at ideas. JIm: If you look in that link in my post on anti-obamacare protests you see young people, old people, people with kids, women with babies, not all retirees. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:25:45 -0700, Jim wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I heard that in one of those town hall meeting on "question" to the bigwig was a shouted, foaming "I want the government to keep its filthy hands off my Medicare!!" Weird way of thinking. I think the people should be given a real choice. Some form of health care/insurance reform legislated by the gov by elected representatives, or the gov should get out of the health business entirely by killing Medicare. Give the folks a choice. --Vic |
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:12:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote: ...and the points about alternative solutions are merely ignored? Harry isn't the only one trying to kill the messenger while failing to look at ideas. There's all kinds of "ideas." Then there's the "status quo" and fear of change. Tort reform should be a big part of any change. Knocks down defensive medicine costs and malpractice premiums. Big savings there. Huge mistake by Obama not insisting on that. Undermines his credibility. --Vic |
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On Aug 7, 9:50*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:12:26 -0400, "Lu Powell" wrote: ...and the points about alternative solutions are merely ignored? Harry isn't the only one trying to kill the messenger while failing to look at ideas. There's all kinds of "ideas." *Then there's the "status quo" and fear of change. Tort reform should be a big part of any change. *Knocks down defensive medicine costs and malpractice premiums. Big savings there. Huge mistake by Obama not insisting on that. *Undermines his credibility. --Vic * No dem on earth will ever get behind tort reform. Lawyers are big contributors to the Dems. This is one big reason we will never have real health care reform. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:55:44 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:25:45 -0700, Jim wrote: Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I heard that in one of those town hall meeting on "question" to the bigwig was a shouted, foaming "I want the government to keep its filthy hands off my Medicare!!" Weird way of thinking. I think the people should be given a real choice. Some form of health care/insurance reform legislated by the gov by elected representatives, or the gov should get out of the health business entirely by killing Medicare. Give the folks a choice. --Vic Perhaps the shouter you heard about was referring to his Medicare supplement. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:25:45 -0700, Jim wrote: Lu Powell wrote: I'm in favor of health care reform, though not in favor of Federal takeover of it. I'm just a senior citizen with conservative views on the role of government in our lives. Congratulations, you probably have Medicare, which won't be "taken over by the government," no matter what anyone tells you. I heard that in one of those town hall meeting on "question" to the bigwig was a shouted, foaming "I want the government to keep its filthy hands off my Medicare!!" Weird way of thinking. I think the people should be given a real choice. Some form of health care/insurance reform legislated by the gov by elected representatives, or the gov should get out of the health business entirely by killing Medicare. Give the folks a choice. Kill Medicare, repeal the taxes on social security and let people buy insurance across state lines. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:50:47 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:
Huge mistake by Obama not insisting on that. Undermines his credibility. Maybe, but it's too early to say with certainty. I see this plan as pretty mild, trying to get something passed without stepping on too may toes, trying to get a consensus. That doesn't seem to be working. Perhaps, he should have gone all-in and gone for a true single player plan, screw the health insurers, screw the pharmaceuticals, and made the choice much clearer. The Republicans are also not without risk in this. Sure, if they kill this plan, they damage Obama, but that will leave us without *any* health care reform. Something, the majority of Americans want. Come the next election, without any reform, would you rather be Obama who tried, or the Republicans, the party of no? I could be wrong, but I don't see Republicans winning on this. Americans have short political memories, but our health care situation will remain a reminder. |
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:07:38 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:50:47 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: Huge mistake by Obama not insisting on that. Undermines his credibility. Maybe, but it's too early to say with certainty. I see this plan as pretty mild, trying to get something passed without stepping on too may toes, trying to get a consensus. That doesn't seem to be working. Perhaps, he should have gone all-in and gone for a true single player plan, screw the health insurers, screw the pharmaceuticals, and made the choice much clearer. The Republicans are also not without risk in this. Sure, if they kill this plan, they damage Obama, but that will leave us without *any* health care reform. Something, the majority of Americans want. Come the next election, without any reform, would you rather be Obama who tried, or the Republicans, the party of no? I could be wrong, but I don't see Republicans winning on this. Americans have short political memories, but our health care situation will remain a reminder. Yep. Agee with all that. Reps just solidifying their reputation as The Party of No. Don't know about going single payer quickly though. Too disruptive in many ways. The gov option would be a way to ease into single payer over a long time, or for private insurance to get competitive. Haven't heard about the gov option being required to run on the black side of the line, but that should be required. About Obama's credibility, that's my estimation as an Independent. Tort reform would tackle the malpractice insurance and defensive medicine costs on the cost side. I'm no expert on it, but I've heard (think Lou Dobbs addressed it in one of his pieces on foreign health care) that countries with national health care have more sane tort systems. It's just a question of doing the logical things to contain costs, and since I don't question Obama's intelligence, what's left? Trial lawyer politics. Not good. He should be above that, and could actually carry it off. Same with pushing nuclear energy harder, which he should be doing. Besides, from a political perspective, he'd have the Reps voting "Nay on tort reform. Because they won't vote "Aye" on any reform bill put out by the Dems or Obama. Most of the Reps are turning wacko. Sad to see. --Vic |
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:02:13 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:
Yep. Agee with all that. Reps just solidifying their reputation as The Party of No. Don't know about going single payer quickly though. Too disruptive in many ways. The gov option would be a way to ease into single payer over a long time, or for private insurance to get competitive. Haven't heard about the gov option being required to run on the black side of the line, but that should be required. I'd agree that single-payer wouldn't float in the present climate, but then, at least, we might have a health care debate. As it stands, we have a euthanasia, and government "take over" of Medicare debate. I'd also suggest, any plan that requires all of us to purchase health insurance, without a government option to provide some competition, would be a disaster. About Obama's credibility, that's my estimation as an Independent. Tort reform would tackle the malpractice insurance and defensive medicine costs on the cost side. I'm no expert on it, but I've heard (think Lou Dobbs addressed it in one of his pieces on foreign health care) that countries with national health care have more sane tort systems. I'm always a little leery of "tort reform". I can understand providing a low-end threshold before allowing a suit, but I have seen to many medical disasters to be willing to give up my rights to sue. If some drunken or incompetent Doctor screws up, and makes me a paraplegic, I want to know my family is taken care of. It's just a question of doing the logical things to contain costs, and since I don't question Obama's intelligence, what's left? Trial lawyer politics. Not good. He should be above that, and could actually carry it off. Same with pushing nuclear energy harder, which he should be doing. Besides, from a political perspective, he'd have the Reps voting "Nay on tort reform. Because they won't vote "Aye" on any reform bill put out by the Dems or Obama. Most of the Reps are turning wacko. Sad to see. Yup, two ideologies bashing out the ideas to come up with workable solutions, works. From my perspective, the Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. They weren't elected to provide "wins" for Republicans. They were elected to provide wins for the American people. |
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