Nearly 2,000 show up for free health care in Va.

By SUE LINDSEY

Associated Press Writer

July 24, 2009

WISE, Va.


Nearly 2,000 people crowded onto a southwest Virginia fairgrounds Friday
and waited hours to receive free dental care, eyeglasses and medical
procedures.

Remote Area Medical founder Stan Brock said the daily limit of 1,600
patients for the three-day clinic in Wise County was reached by 5:30
a.m. Friday. Another 200 people were admitted to the treatment area
later in the morning, but several hundred more had to be turned away.

"If there's an event that more dramatically displays the need for health
care, I don't know what it is," said Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, who spent an
hour volunteering at a registration table Friday.

Brock said the number of people showing up for free care because they
have either no jobs or no health insurance demonstrates a need to revamp
the American health care system.

"It's outrageous that we've got all these people waiting all day," Brock
said.

Brock started his organization with the goal of using volunteer medical
professionals to serve underdeveloped nations, but it now devotes 64
percent of its efforts to care in the U.S. because the need is so great.

As a result, he said, the volunteer corps has cut services in countries
such as Haiti and Guatemala as well as African nations.

Patients began camping out on the grassy southwest Virginia field
Wednesday from as far away as Florida, although most of those seeking
treatment were from the depressed coal-mining region.

Stella Barr of Glade Spring drove an hour and a half to register at 7:30
a.m. Thursday, so she was the fifth person admitted when the clinic
gates opened at 5:30 a.m. Friday. She was happy that by 11 a.m. she had
had her teeth cleaned, gotten three fillings, and picked out new glasses
after receiving an eye exam.

She had to wait for her husband, though, who only registered Friday and
had 931 people ahead of him.

Tammie Mullins of Clintwood has been one of the clinic's 1,500 or so
volunteers for the past seven or eight years. She said it seemed busier
this year as the economy has declined.

The waiting area for dental work was jammed.

"I really can't eat," said Christine Garrett of Nickelsville in
southwest Virginia, who was hoping a dentist could do something about
several missing teeth on both sides of her mouth.

Debbie Kilbourne of Castlewood was having trouble walking with three
planter's warts on one foot. She was directed to the tent where Dr.
Vincent Voci, a plastic surgeon, was working.

Many people have more than one type of procedure, and most were seeking
dental work and eye examinations. Those areas were far busier than the
canvas tents where patients could receive cancer screenings and tests
for diabetes and cholesterol.

"We have to encourage people to see the doctors," said Amanda Wilson, a
RAM employee.

Brock said many people would wait all day, only to be told by evening
that they had to return Saturday because doctors and dentists could fit
in no more patients.



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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:


Nearly 2,000 show up for free health care in Va.

By SUE LINDSEY

Associated Press Writer

July 24, 2009

WISE, Va.


Nearly 2,000 people crowded onto a southwest Virginia fairgrounds Friday
and waited hours to receive free dental care, eyeglasses and medical
procedures.

Remote Area Medical founder Stan Brock said the daily limit of 1,600
patients for the three-day clinic in Wise County was reached by 5:30
a.m. Friday. Another 200 people were admitted to the treatment area
later in the morning, but several hundred more had to be turned away.

"If there's an event that more dramatically displays the need for health
care, I don't know what it is," said Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, who spent an
hour volunteering at a registration table Friday.

Brock said the number of people showing up for free care because they
have either no jobs or no health insurance demonstrates a need to revamp
the American health care system.

"It's outrageous that we've got all these people waiting all day," Brock
said.

Brock started his organization with the goal of using volunteer medical
professionals to serve underdeveloped nations, but it now devotes 64
percent of its efforts to care in the U.S. because the need is so great.

As a result, he said, the volunteer corps has cut services in countries
such as Haiti and Guatemala as well as African nations.

Patients began camping out on the grassy southwest Virginia field
Wednesday from as far away as Florida, although most of those seeking
treatment were from the depressed coal-mining region.

Stella Barr of Glade Spring drove an hour and a half to register at 7:30
a.m. Thursday, so she was the fifth person admitted when the clinic
gates opened at 5:30 a.m. Friday. She was happy that by 11 a.m. she had
had her teeth cleaned, gotten three fillings, and picked out new glasses
after receiving an eye exam.

She had to wait for her husband, though, who only registered Friday and
had 931 people ahead of him.

Tammie Mullins of Clintwood has been one of the clinic's 1,500 or so
volunteers for the past seven or eight years. She said it seemed busier
this year as the economy has declined.

The waiting area for dental work was jammed.

"I really can't eat," said Christine Garrett of Nickelsville in
southwest Virginia, who was hoping a dentist could do something about
several missing teeth on both sides of her mouth.

Debbie Kilbourne of Castlewood was having trouble walking with three
planter's warts on one foot. She was directed to the tent where Dr.
Vincent Voci, a plastic surgeon, was working.

Many people have more than one type of procedure, and most were seeking
dental work and eye examinations. Those areas were far busier than the
canvas tents where patients could receive cancer screenings and tests
for diabetes and cholesterol.

"We have to encourage people to see the doctors," said Amanda Wilson, a
RAM employee.

Brock said many people would wait all day, only to be told by evening
that they had to return Saturday because doctors and dentists could fit
in no more patients.

If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Nearly 2,000 show up for free health care in Va.

By SUE LINDSEY

Associated Press Writer

July 24, 2009

WISE, Va.


Nearly 2,000 people crowded onto a southwest Virginia fairgrounds Friday
and waited hours to receive free dental care, eyeglasses and medical
procedures.

Remote Area Medical founder Stan Brock said the daily limit of 1,600
patients for the three-day clinic in Wise County was reached by 5:30
a.m. Friday. Another 200 people were admitted to the treatment area
later in the morning, but several hundred more had to be turned away.

"If there's an event that more dramatically displays the need for health
care, I don't know what it is," said Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, who spent an
hour volunteering at a registration table Friday.

Brock said the number of people showing up for free care because they
have either no jobs or no health insurance demonstrates a need to revamp
the American health care system.

"It's outrageous that we've got all these people waiting all day," Brock
said.

Brock started his organization with the goal of using volunteer medical
professionals to serve underdeveloped nations, but it now devotes 64
percent of its efforts to care in the U.S. because the need is so great.

As a result, he said, the volunteer corps has cut services in countries
such as Haiti and Guatemala as well as African nations.

Patients began camping out on the grassy southwest Virginia field
Wednesday from as far away as Florida, although most of those seeking
treatment were from the depressed coal-mining region.

Stella Barr of Glade Spring drove an hour and a half to register at 7:30
a.m. Thursday, so she was the fifth person admitted when the clinic
gates opened at 5:30 a.m. Friday. She was happy that by 11 a.m. she had
had her teeth cleaned, gotten three fillings, and picked out new glasses
after receiving an eye exam.

She had to wait for her husband, though, who only registered Friday and
had 931 people ahead of him.

Tammie Mullins of Clintwood has been one of the clinic's 1,500 or so
volunteers for the past seven or eight years. She said it seemed busier
this year as the economy has declined.

The waiting area for dental work was jammed.

"I really can't eat," said Christine Garrett of Nickelsville in
southwest Virginia, who was hoping a dentist could do something about
several missing teeth on both sides of her mouth.

Debbie Kilbourne of Castlewood was having trouble walking with three
planter's warts on one foot. She was directed to the tent where Dr.
Vincent Voci, a plastic surgeon, was working.

Many people have more than one type of procedure, and most were seeking
dental work and eye examinations. Those areas were far busier than the
canvas tents where patients could receive cancer screenings and tests
for diabetes and cholesterol.

"We have to encourage people to see the doctors," said Amanda Wilson, a
RAM employee.

Brock said many people would wait all day, only to be told by evening
that they had to return Saturday because doctors and dentists could fit
in no more patients.

If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.


Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.



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and elective procedures were permissable,

"Permissable" should be permissible.

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previous post for previously posted

If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.


Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.

It's a libertarian, individualistic, anti-statist thought, and it's
premises are rooted in a real-world understanding of the nature of
man. And if your rather innocuous rebuttal had been rooted in a
reasonable appreciation for the current state of affairs, it would
recognize that the majority of Americans have issues with ObamaCare,
not the least of which was the refutation submitted above. You may
find comfort in the belly of the beast, but a larger number of
Americans find it unpalatable. And, by the grace of God, there are
still a large number of critically-thinking Americans out there - your
political low-lifes, the nemesis of all things government. It's these
unfortunate individuals (who find fortune in their thinking
individually) assay what free health care wil bring across the border.
They assay what the inexorable consequences will be for the quality of
their own care. They understand that volunteers like those in the
submitted article, under a comprehensive government health care plan,
will be prohibited from those types of generosity. They will be
required by mandate, and under the oversight of whatever department or
Czar is appointed, to deliver that care under government strictures,
as demand will necessitate government marshalling those volunteers
into its beauracracy of mediocrity. These intellectually honest
Americans will appreciate that the woman in the article who had the
hope of having teeth replaced prosthetically by a volunteer will have
no recourse under comprehensive government health care. Cosmetic
surgery or orthodontisty will still only be out of medical necessity
or for those who can afford it...maybe. This is already the case in
the existing examplar of government health care, under V.A. medical
care. Prescient Americans, those trailer-trashy, bitter-clinging
conservative, GOP-lovin' troglodytes, alreay know this.

And you don't. Yet, you and our elected despots, our mini-Caesers,
seem to know what is best for everyone. Personally, I'm not
persuaded.

BTW - The word "Czar" is a cognate of the Slavic word "Tsar," having
been borrowed from the Roman Caesar. Frightening, isn't it? Most of
the Roman Imperaturs were.

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previous post for previously posted
If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.

Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.

It's a libertarian, individualistic, anti-statist thought, and it's
premises are rooted in a real-world understanding of the nature of
man.


snerk snorffle chuckle

Libertarians...have no real-world understanding of the nature of man or
anything else. They are like Republicans, but Republicans who want to be
less responsible for their fellow man than Republicans.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:12:41 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previous post for previously posted
If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.

Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.

It's a libertarian, individualistic, anti-statist thought, and it's
premises are rooted in a real-world understanding of the nature of
man.


snerk snorffle chuckle

Libertarians...have no real-world understanding of the nature of man or
anything else. They are like Republicans, but Republicans who want to be
less responsible for their fellow man than Republicans.

If government should do anything, it should be to outlaw the
"ignoratio elenchi."

It would make the world invariably greener.
There would be less wasted energy.

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On Jul 24, 10:12*pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previous post for previously posted
If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies..
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. *Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. *Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. *It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.

Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.

It's a libertarian, individualistic, anti-statist thought, and it's
premises are rooted in a real-world understanding of the nature of
man. *

snerk snorffle *chuckle

Libertarians...have no real-world understanding of the nature of man or
anything else. They are like Republicans, but Republicans who want to be
less responsible for their fellow man than Republicans.

Translation: the rest of the post bitch-slapped old weird harold, and
he was too addled to conjure up a response.

LOL!!!

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:12:41 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:19:54 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previous post for previously posted
If all health care were completely free, all procedures were freely
available, and elective procedures were permissable, nearly everyone
in the country would be lining up at some point to get their freebies.
This should illustrate one of the fundamental problems with government
sponsored health care. Rationing won't simply be a debatable issue,
it will be an imperative. Philanthropy and voluntary service are
wonderful means to help those who are genuinely struggling. Government
control in the guise of benevolence is a horror story. Government can
only ever be a lover of itself. It's an oppressor in nearly all
ways.
Most of the civilized western world disagrees with your right-wing
talking point.
It's a libertarian, individualistic, anti-statist thought, and it's
premises are rooted in a real-world understanding of the nature of
man.

snerk snorffle chuckle

Libertarians...have no real-world understanding of the nature of man or
anything else. They are like Republicans, but Republicans who want to be
less responsible for their fellow man than Republicans.

If government should do anything, it should be to outlaw the
"ignoratio elenchi."

It would make the world invariably greener.
There would be less wasted energy.



Well, that's certainly a response to the vacuousness of libertarianism.
You try awfully hard for your meager conclusions.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:32:58 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:12:41 -0400, H the K
wrote:

refer to previously post for previously posted

If government should do anything, it should be to outlaw the
"ignoratio elenchi."

It would make the world invariably greener.
There would be less wasted energy.



Well, that's certainly a response to the vacuousness of libertarianism.
You try awfully hard for your meager conclusions.

If you're going to take a shot, H K, you should do it from the inside
of the barn. Do it more than once, and you're bound to hit a side of
the barn.

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