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Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also abuses
drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire who you
want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved the hiring
of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of those, only 3 had
to be terminated later. One was a perpetual trouble maker on the shop floor
who constantly caused problems with others. One was caught seriously
fudging expense reports and bragging about it to others in the company.
The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch



Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

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"H the K" wrote in message
m...


Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply don't
know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?



sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch

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NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also abuses
drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire who
you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved the
hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of those,
only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual trouble maker
on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with others. One was
caught seriously fudging expense reports and bragging about it to
others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

Well, at least if they are not in the Union;) Pfffttt. I used to see the
windows glowing in the van where the top (union) boys smoked cocaine
every day during lunch... Man, these guys weren't worth a nickel an hour...

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H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:44:07 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:

Fun is fun. I'm writing a speech for a new client. It's for
delivery in late August. When he called, he said I was recommended
by a current client. He wanted to know if I would give him a
discount on the first speech because he "didn't know me." I didn't
tell him he should find a cheaper speech writer. :)

I gave him a discount. It's only my time that's involved. I don't
have to buy goods and resell them for a profit.
I hope you took him out in your Lobster Boat and introduced him to
your Dr. Dr. wife.

Harry, I do have to be honest, I have NEVER meet such an insecure
guy as you are, but I am always amazed that you actually expect
people to believe your stories.

Hey - I've got to defend Harry on this one.

If he knew Harry, he wouldn't have asked him to write the speech in
the first place.



Pretty impressive...you've got The Freak as your scumbag buddy in
Connecticut, Jackoff as your scumbag buddy in South Carolina, and
Reggie as your scumbag buddy in George.

You have your puppy Don in Canada and you had your buddy Jim in
Cleveland, until the phone incident.


Phone incident? I never called Jim, and he never called me.

You know the phone call I am talking about that involved your buddy in
Cleveland. Your ego thinks its about you but it wasn't.

Don is hardly my puppy. We don't coordinate messages, we've never talked
on the phone, we don't exchange secret messages, and we don't set up
junior high school "plots" against others in the newsgroup. Don and I
simply have similar union/progressive underpinnings, and, while I can't
speak for him, I am sure he shares my belief that there are achievements
more important than screwing others so you can attain a position in the
social order higher than the poor.

Don is lost without you. He follows your lead.

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"Just wait a frekin' minute!" wrote in
message ...



We have a small music shop here in town that does that. They have several
rooms in the back and a group of teachers. They do everything from flute
to piano but you wouldn't have to. I assume that this is the actual bulk
of the shops income.

Also they cater to beginners with the lessons and of course in that, must
keep a small inventory of cheap guitars, lot's of sheet music, and
associated supplies... I suppose if someone wants a better guitar, they
send them to Guitar Center. I doubt the kind of folks you cater to would
walk in either of these places...

My son in law who would make a great teacher if he was closer used to work
there part time for extra money for about a year. He is a bit young but if
you wanted to pick his brain a bit about the operation, I could arrange a
call. He is a very well educated guitarist, runs a recording studio, and
is a straight up kind of guy, if not a bit young and "fresh"...

I think my point is if you start giving lessons, you will need to carry
more stuff that "beginner" musicians need to support them...

Maybe you could "broker" lessons with a few teachers who do in home/studio
sessions.


Your points are the reason I haven't moved forward with the lessons thing.
Actually, the lessons are not a major cash generator for a music shop.
Typically, beginner type lessons are around 20 bucks per half hour.
The fee is divided up between the instructor and the shop ... usually 12 to
the instructor and 8 to the shop to help cover overhead. You need
additional liabiliy insurance to do lessons on site that is not required if
you are only doing equipment sales.

The idea is that the lessons hopefully lead to equipment and supply sales
from the shop.
In my case, you are correct. The type of customers that have been coming in
should be giving lessons, not taking them. The one exception is the guy I
have gotten to know at Berklee who has suggested that he and an associate
conduct guitar clinics at the shop. These aren't guitar lessons. They are
geared for semi-pro and professionals and deal more with issues of advanced
technique and other style nuances.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply don't
know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?



sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch



You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:44:07 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:

Fun is fun. I'm writing a speech for a new client. It's for
delivery in late August. When he called, he said I was
recommended by a current client. He wanted to know if I would
give him a discount on the first speech because he "didn't know
me." I didn't tell him he should find a cheaper speech writer. :)

I gave him a discount. It's only my time that's involved. I don't
have to buy goods and resell them for a profit.
I hope you took him out in your Lobster Boat and introduced him to
your Dr. Dr. wife.

Harry, I do have to be honest, I have NEVER meet such an insecure
guy as you are, but I am always amazed that you actually expect
people to believe your stories.

Hey - I've got to defend Harry on this one.

If he knew Harry, he wouldn't have asked him to write the speech in
the first place.



Pretty impressive...you've got The Freak as your scumbag buddy in
Connecticut, Jackoff as your scumbag buddy in South Carolina, and
Reggie as your scumbag buddy in George.

You have your puppy Don in Canada and you had your buddy Jim in
Cleveland, until the phone incident.


Phone incident? I never called Jim, and he never called me.

You know the phone call I am talking about that involved your buddy in
Cleveland. Your ego thinks its about you but it wasn't.

Don is hardly my puppy. We don't coordinate messages, we've never
talked on the phone, we don't exchange secret messages, and we don't
set up junior high school "plots" against others in the newsgroup. Don
and I simply have similar union/progressive underpinnings, and, while
I can't speak for him, I am sure he shares my belief that there are
achievements more important than screwing others so you can attain a
position in the social order higher than the poor.

Don is lost without you. He follows your lead.


Sell that to the marines.



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

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Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also
abuses drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire
who you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved the
hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of
those, only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual
trouble maker on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with
others. One was caught seriously fudging expense reports and
bragging about it to others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

Well, at least if they are not in the Union;) Pfffttt. I used to see the
windows glowing in the van where the top (union) boys smoked cocaine
every day during lunch... Man, these guys weren't worth a nickel an hour...

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is
quoting.

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H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also abuses
drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire who
you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved the
hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of those,
only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual trouble maker
on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with others. One was
caught seriously fudging expense reports and bragging about it to
others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply don't
know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?

Your confidence and trust in your fellow man is astounding.

What if the guy has a union card, can he fore go the **** test and
background check?

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Eisboch wrote:
"Just wait a frekin' minute!" wrote in
message ...

We have a small music shop here in town that does that. They have several
rooms in the back and a group of teachers. They do everything from flute
to piano but you wouldn't have to. I assume that this is the actual bulk
of the shops income.

Also they cater to beginners with the lessons and of course in that, must
keep a small inventory of cheap guitars, lot's of sheet music, and
associated supplies... I suppose if someone wants a better guitar, they
send them to Guitar Center. I doubt the kind of folks you cater to would
walk in either of these places...

My son in law who would make a great teacher if he was closer used to work
there part time for extra money for about a year. He is a bit young but if
you wanted to pick his brain a bit about the operation, I could arrange a
call. He is a very well educated guitarist, runs a recording studio, and
is a straight up kind of guy, if not a bit young and "fresh"...

I think my point is if you start giving lessons, you will need to carry
more stuff that "beginner" musicians need to support them...

Maybe you could "broker" lessons with a few teachers who do in home/studio
sessions.


Your points are the reason I haven't moved forward with the lessons thing.
Actually, the lessons are not a major cash generator for a music shop.
Typically, beginner type lessons are around 20 bucks per half hour.
The fee is divided up between the instructor and the shop ... usually 12 to
the instructor and 8 to the shop to help cover overhead. You need
additional liabiliy insurance to do lessons on site that is not required if
you are only doing equipment sales.

The idea is that the lessons hopefully lead to equipment and supply sales
from the shop.
In my case, you are correct. The type of customers that have been coming in
should be giving lessons, not taking them. The one exception is the guy I
have gotten to know at Berklee who has suggested that he and an associate
conduct guitar clinics at the shop. These aren't guitar lessons. They are
geared for semi-pro and professionals and deal more with issues of advanced
technique and other style nuances.

Eisboch



That sounds better, I like the idea of clinics. Get a few guys in for a
couple of hours, close the front doors and let the "pro" move around the
shop with a short seminar and q and a at the end using whatever happens
to be on the wall. Might sell a guitar or two there too;)

The Mouse took a course Monday which worked like that sort of. The track
pro started with "gate drops" (starts) and went over it with the
students for a bout an hour and a half. Showing them, watching them,
correcting them. Then they did a couple hours of left turns, then right,
then dragon backs, then jumps. Over and over again the students would
run a circuit with the pro there pulling them off to talk to them
individually while the rest kept going. The last two hours was up to the
students. They decided among themselves what they wanted the pro to work
with them on as a group.

Just sayin' sounds like you are having a great time, wish I was closer.
Good luck and if you ever want to open a branch down here, I got the guy
for you...;)

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NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also
abuses drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire
who you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved
the hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of
those, only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual
trouble maker on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with
others. One was caught seriously fudging expense reports and
bragging about it to others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

Well, at least if they are not in the Union;) Pfffttt. I used to see
the windows glowing in the van where the top (union) boys smoked
cocaine every day during lunch... Man, these guys weren't worth a
nickel an hour...

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is
quoting.


"Gravity"

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

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H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply
don't know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?



sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch


You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


Am I the only one who sees the irony of Harry making that statement?

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also
abuses drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately held
business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary, fire
who you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved the
hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of
those, only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual
trouble maker on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with
others. One was caught seriously fudging expense reports and
bragging about it to others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply
don't know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?

Your confidence and trust in your fellow man is astounding.

What if the guy has a union card, can he fore go the **** test and
background check?


You should quit before you fall further behind, since you don't know
anything about pre-employment or jobsite drug testing, either.



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

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"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch



Priceless.


--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

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Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also
abuses drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately
held business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary,
fire who you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved
the hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies. Of
those, only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual
trouble maker on the shop floor who constantly caused problems with
others. One was caught seriously fudging expense reports and
bragging about it to others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

Well, at least if they are not in the Union;) Pfffttt. I used to see
the windows glowing in the van where the top (union) boys smoked
cocaine every day during lunch... Man, these guys weren't worth a
nickel an hour...

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone
is quoting.


"Gravity"

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/


Thanks, have you tried it yet?

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Just Regigie wrote:
H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply
don't know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?



sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If
proven wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch


You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


Am I the only one who sees the irony of Harry making that statement?


Oh, no, that's about as ironic as they come!

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Eisboch wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch



I'm going to try Gravity, Gene says it has better filtering capabilities
than Thunderbird. At least I don't have to see the lies, insults and
vulgarities that he originates!

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"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply don't
know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?



sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch

You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


It doesn't matter. In a small operation, the bad apples smell quickly.

I am not in disagreement with you. It's just that it is obvious that your
experiences in life have been heavily weighed towards bigger businesses,
unions and/or the attempts to organize them.
In that size of a company the president and upper level management are
typically not involved with day to day operations and in the hiring of new
employees, other than top management.

In may case, virtually all my experience is with very small businesses,
although we dealt with large ones often as a supplier of equipment. During
my tenure as owner/president of a company, we peaked at about 70 something
employees, probably not much larger than the BOD of IBM. By that time
formal departments with department managers were in place and they were
responsible for the recruitment and hiring of people to staff their
departments.

But, we maintained a custom of having me also do a short interview, usually
during the second, follow up interview, with all prospective new employees
recommended by the respective department managers. All I really did was
give a speach about the company "team" culture. But, it gave me an
opportunity to size up who would be joining the team, from engineers to
general shop labor.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch



Please don't... You shouldn't have to change your's and everyone else's
experience here for two of us. I can't speak for Loogie but I have found
that it's quick to look at the subject line and just blow through
threads I know have gone out of my interest weather WAFA is there or
not. I might even take a quick glimpse to see if it has moved to an area
of interest..

Nobody is quoting any of the direct crap anyway, so I am not seeing the
stuff I started filtering for. If you guys are responding to him it's to
somewhat legit stuff. (Harry must be behaving again, won't last long but
have at it;) and I do find myself at least reading your responses;)

If I really want to filter further, I will check out the other reader,
but for now it's smooth.

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Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply don't
know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?


sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch
You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


It doesn't matter. In a small operation, the bad apples smell quickly.

I am not in disagreement with you. It's just that it is obvious that your
experiences in life have been heavily weighed towards bigger businesses,
unions and/or the attempts to organize them.
In that size of a company the president and upper level management are
typically not involved with day to day operations and in the hiring of new
employees, other than top management.

In may case, virtually all my experience is with very small businesses,
although we dealt with large ones often as a supplier of equipment. During
my tenure as owner/president of a company, we peaked at about 70 something
employees, probably not much larger than the BOD of IBM. By that time
formal departments with department managers were in place and they were
responsible for the recruitment and hiring of people to staff their
departments.

But, we maintained a custom of having me also do a short interview, usually
during the second, follow up interview, with all prospective new employees
recommended by the respective department managers. All I really did was
give a speach about the company "team" culture. But, it gave me an
opportunity to size up who would be joining the team, from engineers to
general shop labor.

Eisboch




These days, if you are a contractor doing "sensitive work" for the DoD
and some other agencies, certain categories of employees must be tested
for substance abuse. That's also the case on federally funded
construction projects, and the trend is spreading to state-funded
projects *and* to privately funded projects where the sponsors and
contractors want a drug-free workplace.

I don't see anything wrong with the practice. If I were a construction
worker, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be working on a scaffold or on
the ground alongside workers who were "high."

Being high, of course, usually is a requirement in the pop music biz,
right?



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

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NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
You also need to run a records check and insist upon a urine test.

I wouldn't waste the time or money.

Eisboch

Sure...go ahead...hire someone with a criminal record who also
abuses drugs.

:)


I've never done that. One thing nice about a small, privately
held business is that you can hire who you want and, if necessary,
fire who you want without going through an act of congress to do so.
In my experience, I've either directly hired or at least approved
the hiring of probably about 200 people between two companies.
Of those, only 3 had to be terminated later. One was a perpetual
trouble maker on the shop floor who constantly caused problems
with others. One was caught seriously fudging expense reports and
bragging about it to others in the company. The third was a thief.

That's not a bad track record.

Eisboch


Oh hell, now Harry thinks that anyone anybody hires has a criminal
record and abuses drugs. WAFA.

Well, at least if they are not in the Union;) Pfffttt. I used to see
the windows glowing in the van where the top (union) boys smoked
cocaine every day during lunch... Man, these guys weren't worth a
nickel an hour...

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone
is quoting.


"Gravity"

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/


Thanks, have you tried it yet?

Nope.. Like I said, most of the quoted stuff is not the stuff I was
filtering for anyway. If he starts a thread or makes a comment directly
to me, I don't see it because nobody is quoting it..

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Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone
is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he
isn't calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other
personal insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will
make an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of
any response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to
him.

Eisboch



Please don't... You shouldn't have to change your's and everyone else's
experience here for two of us. I can't speak for Loogie but I have found
that it's quick to look at the subject line and just blow through
threads I know have gone out of my interest weather WAFA is there or
not. I might even take a quick glimpse to see if it has moved to an area
of interest..

Nobody is quoting any of the direct crap anyway, so I am not seeing the
stuff I started filtering for. If you guys are responding to him it's to
somewhat legit stuff. (Harry must be behaving again, won't last long but
have at it;) and I do find myself at least reading your responses;)

If I really want to filter further, I will check out the other reader,
but for now it's smooth.


Obsessed asshole. As always.



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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:08:27 -0400, H the K wrote:


I don't see anything wrong with the practice. If I were a construction
worker, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be working on a scaffold or on
the ground alongside workers who were "high."

Yeah, but you're not testing for someone who is high. You're testing for
illegal drug use. Smacks of Big Brother to me. By the by, alcohol
doesn't show up in a urinalysis. If I were working on a scaffold, I'd be
more concerned if the guy above me was drunk, than I would be if he had
blown a joint two weeks ago.

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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:08:27 -0400, H the K wrote:


I don't see anything wrong with the practice. If I were a construction
worker, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be working on a scaffold or on
the ground alongside workers who were "high."

Yeah, but you're not testing for someone who is high. You're testing for
illegal drug use. Smacks of Big Brother to me. By the by, alcohol
doesn't show up in a urinalysis. If I were working on a scaffold, I'd be
more concerned if the guy above me was drunk, than I would be if he had
blown a joint two weeks ago.


Booze is a problem. You have to depend on the foreman or site safety guy
to pull the drunks off the job.

The testing problem with joints is that the residue shows up for at
least a month after use, according to what I have read. Still, I don't
have a problem with drug screening for illegal substance use. There's
nothing to prevent a user from "using" the morning he steps on the
jobsite. That makes the job a lot more dangerous.


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H the K wrote:



These days, if you are a contractor doing "sensitive work" for the DoD
and some other agencies, certain categories of employees must be tested
for substance abuse. That's also the case on federally funded
construction projects, and the trend is spreading to state-funded
projects *and* to privately funded projects where the sponsors and
contractors want a drug-free workplace.

Eisboch,
Do you plan on doing any sensitive work with DoD or any federally funded
grants on guitars?

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"Just Regigie" wrote in message
...

H the K wrote:



These days, if you are a contractor doing "sensitive work" for the DoD
and some other agencies, certain categories of employees must be tested
for substance abuse. That's also the case on federally funded
construction projects, and the trend is spreading to state-funded
projects *and* to privately funded projects where the sponsors and
contractors want a drug-free workplace.



Eisboch,
Do you plan on doing any sensitive work with DoD or any federally funded
grants on guitars?



I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"Just Regigie" wrote in message
...

H the K wrote:



These days, if you are a contractor doing "sensitive work" for the
DoD and some other agencies, certain categories of employees must be
tested for substance abuse. That's also the case on federally funded
construction projects, and the trend is spreading to state-funded
projects *and* to privately funded projects where the sponsors and
contractors want a drug-free workplace.



Eisboch,
Do you plan on doing any sensitive work with DoD or any federally
funded grants on guitars?



I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Eisboch

Well if that is the case, I rather not know. ;)

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:45:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.

Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch


How about just changing your 'author' name to 'delete' when you're in
a discussion with the guy?
--

John H

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"BAR" wrote in message
...

Don is lost without you. He follows your lead.

Unlike you...who couldn't follow his superiors instructions and was left
behind when his Marine unit was sent for any serious operations out of
country.

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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don is lost without you. He follows your lead.

Unlike you...who couldn't follow his superiors instructions and was left
behind when his Marine unit was sent for any serious operations out of
country.




Someone had to be the permanent latrine guard.


--
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On Jul 21, 9:34*pm, GC Boater wrote:
On Jul 21, 8:30*pm, H the K wrote:

...amazingly, I have two offers from readers here for the pistol, and
even more amazing, they both made the same $$$ offer.

This is easy; maybe I'll start a conglomerate by also opening a used
musical instrument store. :)

(Just a joke, R...)

--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

Well, aren't you special.

He can't do that, you need to be at least bright enough to add and
subtract......

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On Jul 21, 9:48*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

Seriously, I am really enjoying this experience. *Unlike my past, very
specialized career, this thing exposes me to all kinds of people and their
styles and personalities. * I am getting a big kick out of it.
Engineers are basically all the same, but musicians, musician wannabe's and
general shoppers are something else.

I agree. That's why I decided to learn to play. I like music, and the
fact that everyone does things a little differently, likes different
sounds etc. helps me when I need to get out of engineering mode.

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Lil' John wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:45:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's suggestion?
I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that everyone is quoting.
Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he isn't
calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other personal
insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will make
an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line of any
response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses to him.

Eisboch


How about just changing your 'author' name to 'delete' when you're in
a discussion with the guy?
--

John H

Nope, he shouldn't. We should just filter what we don't want. Otherwise
it could screw up others filters on my account.. Rememer, I am one who
had trouble ignoring WAFA's bull****.. Again, Dick doesn't quote the
"bull****"... so it really is no longer an issue. (Except for mornings
like today when I wake up grumpy because of the rain) snerk

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:39:20 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .


I sell introductory systems as a means to growing my business with a
customer who's not ready to take the plunge. There are lots of ways
to create demand for your goods or services; smart folks can read the
customer and tailor a solution appropriate to their requirements.

Obviously, introductory offers are used all the time. I never cared for
them.

I find it annoying sometimes to get offers for special deals on cable or
Internet services that I am already subscribed to, only to find out they are
available to "new" customers only. Those who have been paying the full
price don't qualify and continue to pay full price.

Wouldn't you be impressed to get an unsolicited notice from your cable
company thanking you for your loyal and continued business and rewarding you
with 3 months of discounted invoices? Maybe cable service is a bad example
because it's regulated and non-competitive, but it might keep you from
switching to Direct TV or Dish.

All you have to do is call them and let them know you're switching.
They'll offer any rate they have to retain your business.

In my former business that involved custom engineered, big ticket items
orders for additional systems were discounted because most of the
engineering and design costs were non-recurring.

We haven't sold a handful of introductory systems. By offering
customers the option, they usually determine on their own their
requirements will grow beyond the capacity of that system.

It's a marketing tool. If Harry's customer thinks he's done him a
good turn and the product is well-crafted and professional, the
potential for repeat business is high.

I'd rather give a little and have a long-term customer than hold the
line and start a relationship on a bad footing.

Eisboch

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Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
Lil' John wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:45:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"NotNow" wrote in message
...

Just wait a frekin' minute! has written similar:

What was the name of that newsreader that Tom tried on Gene's
suggestion? I need to be able to filter WAFA's bull**** that
everyone is quoting.
Tell you what. I sometimes enjoy sparring with Harry as long as he
isn't calling everyone who doesn't agree with him idiots and other
personal insults.

But with respect to your desire to keep him in your Bozo bin, I will
make an attempt to include the keyword "delete" in the subject line
of any response I may give to him.

Add that word to your filter, and you won't see any of my responses
to him.

Eisboch


How about just changing your 'author' name to 'delete' when you're in
a discussion with the guy?
--

John H

Nope, he shouldn't. We should just filter what we don't want. Otherwise
it could screw up others filters on my account.. Rememer, I am one who
had trouble ignoring WAFA's bull****.. Again, Dick doesn't quote the
"bull****"... so it really is no longer an issue. (Except for mornings
like today when I wake up grumpy because of the rain) snerk


I just love it when The Greak talks computer to the band of idiots.


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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:50 -0400, J i m
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
I gave him a discount. It's only my time that's involved. I don't have to
buy goods and resell them for a profit.


Give one a discount and they all want a discount.

When I built big ticket, expensive vacuum deposition systems, I gave
discounts to repeat customers, not new ones.

Eisboch


But... But... He needs the business desperately.

And you know this how?

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jps wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:50 -0400, J i m
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
I gave him a discount. It's only my time that's involved. I don't have to
buy goods and resell them for a profit.

Give one a discount and they all want a discount.

When I built big ticket, expensive vacuum deposition systems, I gave
discounts to repeat customers, not new ones.

Eisboch


But... But... He needs the business desperately.

And you know this how?


He doesn't. The high point of FlaJim's life was his time in the navy,
swabbing decks or whatever they let low brain output types do there.
FlaJim is a frightened old man without a life, without a boat, without a
job, stuck in inland Florida, where no active person lives not
affiliated with UofF or Dizzyworld lives.

What I charge is entirely up to me. I have a couple of clients who pay
hourly, two who pay a monthly fee, and occasionals who pay by the project.

I farm out graphics work to an artist who used to work for me but
decided after her second kid was born to go freelance. It's easy these
days to collaborate at a distance.



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"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Actually, if you don't run tests and check backgrounds, you simply
don't know if you've hired a druggie or a thief, do you?


sigh Some of us take responsibility for our decisions. If proven
wrong, we accept our misjudgment.

Eisboch
You are skirting the "factuality" of the statement.


It doesn't matter. In a small operation, the bad apples smell quickly.

I am not in disagreement with you. It's just that it is obvious that
your experiences in life have been heavily weighed towards bigger
businesses, unions and/or the attempts to organize them.
In that size of a company the president and upper level management are
typically not involved with day to day operations and in the hiring of
new employees, other than top management.

In may case, virtually all my experience is with very small businesses,
although we dealt with large ones often as a supplier of equipment.
During my tenure as owner/president of a company, we peaked at about 70
something employees, probably not much larger than the BOD of IBM. By
that time formal departments with department managers were in place and
they were responsible for the recruitment and hiring of people to staff
their departments.

But, we maintained a custom of having me also do a short interview,
usually during the second, follow up interview, with all prospective new
employees recommended by the respective department managers. All I
really did was give a speach about the company "team" culture. But, it
gave me an opportunity to size up who would be joining the team, from
engineers to general shop labor.

Eisboch


These days, if you are a contractor doing "sensitive work" for the DoD and
some other agencies, certain categories of employees must be tested for
substance abuse. That's also the case on federally funded construction
projects, and the trend is spreading to state-funded projects *and* to
privately funded projects where the sponsors and contractors want a
drug-free workplace.

I don't see anything wrong with the practice. If I were a construction
worker, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be working on a scaffold or on the
ground alongside workers who were "high."

Being high, of course, usually is a requirement in the pop music biz,
right?



--
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Maybe we should test Judge elects and Congress people also. Show illegal
drugs in your system, Fired!

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H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
...amazingly, I have two offers from readers here for the pistol, and
even more amazing, they both made the same $$$ offer.

This is easy; maybe I'll start a conglomerate by also opening a used
musical instrument store. :)

(Just a joke, R...)




I happen to like having a conglomerate. I am the big gahoona, the
sales and marketing department, senior buyer, the accounting
department, webmaster, telephone receptionist, the stock room clerk
and the rest room maintenance technician.

Seriously, I am really enjoying this experience. Unlike my past, very
specialized career, this thing exposes me to all kinds of people and
their styles and personalities. I am getting a big kick out of it.
Engineers are basically all the same, but musicians, musician
wannabe's and general shoppers are something else.

A guy called me today about a Taylor 12-string I have. Said he saw it
on the website and he's seen many guitars just like it for a lot less
money, so would I knock off a few hundred.

I asked him if they were the same guitar ... a Taylor 355.

He didn't know. He said the ones he saw just looked a lot like the one
I have.

He was dead serious. I told him that he should buy the cheapest one
he can find.

Eisboch





Fun is fun. I'm writing a speech for a new client. It's for delivery in
late August. When he called, he said I was recommended by a current
client. He wanted to know if I would give him a discount on the first
speech because he "didn't know me." I didn't tell him he should find a
cheaper speech writer. :)

I gave him a discount. It's only my time that's involved. I don't have
to buy goods and resell them for a profit.



More bull****. Try using your "skills" to make it more believable next
time.