On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:27 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:16 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:



With respect to ILL#6 and Pit#8, well guess what. Coal dust from these
types of coal create a condition called oxidative stress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress

So you're anti-coal? You sure are coming up with enough arguments
against it. And here you were just calling Obama anti-coal.
I don't get it.

No - you misunderstood my intent - or perhaps I didn't make myself
clear.

I'm pointing out that there are many associated problems with
obtaining the right kinds of coal to make gasification work.

I didn't read about oxidative stress, got other stress to deal with.
The point of the FutureGen project is clean coal. That means
virtually zero emissions and useful byproducts instead of the crap
being put in the air and dumped in ash pits to run into rivers.

Again - my point is that there is no such thing as "clean" coal in the
sense that evironmental and NIMBY types accept.

Chu says that a current coal burning plant puts 100 times more
radioactivity into the air than a nuke, which I've previously read is
the least of its ills, and we all know about acid rain.
Current coal is no free ride.

Neither is "clean" coal.

And like I said, I think we will start building nukes. That's my
preference if they can't get enough juice from wind and solar, which
they probably can't without turning the country into wall-to-wall
windmills and mirrors.

Agreed - that would be my preference.

Hell, if France can do it, why can't we?

Do you think that environmental groups are going to allow high volume
mining for gasification plants? Or that these types of coal also
affect pro-inflammatory genes that are not completely understood yet?

Every greenie group will have scare tactics. Nothing new.
"Pro-inflammatory genes?" WTF?

Immunological disorders - which I'm something of an amateur expert on
as I have two of them - one a T-cell disorder and the RA.

If we listen to every wacko theory about why not to do something,
we'll all melt into puddles of jelly.

This isn't whacko science - it's a proven fact - medical science.

I've seen plenty of those anti-coal ads here.
Look like pure greenie to me. They'd have me hand cranking a
generator to run my blender.
But they didn't stop this yet
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...l-project.html

So on the one hand he wants to capture carbon dioxide but on the other
he's afraid of radiation.

Ok.

Looks to me like the lefties are hammering Obama because of clean coal
power, and the righties are hammering him because of green power.
Part of the job.
I haven't looked deeply into the details of any of this.
I'll let the fanatics go after it. It'll work itself out - though it
might take the lights dimming out to make it happen.
That's about all I know. Or want to for now anyway.

Well, look at it this way - you can tell what the crap is and what the
crap isn't. A self-aware citizen is what you want to be and if you
have to search through the crap to find the truth, that's what it
takes. It's not hard.

You got me going on a spurt of "knowledge-seeking" but there's so
much self-serving crap on the net, it's tiring making heads or tails
of it.

That's the whole point of discussion isn't it? :)