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boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam...y/1137971.html
I know the article states that charges could be pending, but just from what is gathered by the article, there's a lot that isn't known. the victims were fishing way off shore at about midnight. Nothing is said about proper nav. lights or at least lighting in general , or night visability conditions.. At least the people that rammed them hailed for help and stayed around to search. but any way you look at it, , it still isn't good. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Jul 13, 9:41*pm, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam...y/1137971.html I know the article states that charges could be pending, but just from what is gathered by the article, there's a lot that isn't known. the victims were fishing way off shore at about midnight. Nothing is said about proper nav. lights or at least lighting in general , or night visability conditions.. At least the people that rammed them hailed for help and stayed around to search. but any way you look at it, , it still isn't good. Legal questions will surround whether or not the Hewes was at anchor or making way or not and what sort of lights it may or may not have been displaying. The big question surrounding the Bayliner is whether or not they had a lookout. Really bad luck and bad news..... -- True. I've been out on the lake at night or at least past sunset, and I even shut my instrument lights off so they're not glaring bak at me. Ocassionally I flip them on to check the tach, oil pressure and water temp, but that's at a quick glance then back off they go. Oh yeah, I'm occasionally lurking around with a hand held 3 mil. candle power light too. I feel better at doing so. better visability. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Gene wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam...y/1137971.html I know the article states that charges could be pending, but just from what is gathered by the article, there's a lot that isn't known. the victims were fishing way off shore at about midnight. Nothing is said about proper nav. lights or at least lighting in general , or night visability conditions.. At least the people that rammed them hailed for help and stayed around to search. but any way you look at it, , it still isn't good. Legal questions will surround whether or not the Hewes was at anchor or making way or not and what sort of lights it may or may not have been displaying. The big question surrounding the Bayliner is whether or not they had a lookout. Really bad luck and bad news..... Whatever happened to that sailor on the left coast whose boat was rammed from behind by a cop in a fast power boat? A passenger in the sailboat was killed, and the sailor was arrested. Read to me like a typical cop frame up job. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: True. I've been out on the lake at night or at least past sunset, and I even shut my instrument lights off so they're not glaring bak at me. Ocassionally I flip them on to check the tach, oil pressure and water temp, but that's at a quick glance then back off they go. Oh yeah, I'm occasionally lurking around with a hand held 3 mil. candle power light too. If anchored you should be displaying an all around (360 degreee) white light, otherwise your running lights should be on. Lots of people run small boats at night with no lights at all but it's almost totally their fault if hit. Given the amount of damage and the ejection of occupants, it is easy to make the case that the Bayliner was traveling at an unsafe speed in the Miami incident. Very few boats that size have radar but it really is very helpful at night. Every year boaters get killed or seriously injured from running into things in the dark. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miam...y/1137971.html I know the article states that charges could be pending, but just from what is gathered by the article, there's a lot that isn't known. the victims were fishing way off shore at about midnight. Nothing is said about proper nav. lights or at least lighting in general , or night visability conditions.. At least the people that rammed them hailed for help and stayed around to search. but any way you look at it, , it still isn't good. Not enough information to tell, but by the rather vague "investigating", it would appear that it was what it was - an accident. The first thing law enforcement would look for is evidence of alcohol involvement (or drugs) and nothing was said about that. Based on the story, the fact that they were able to execute a quick turn and recover a passenger would seem to indicate that they had control of their vessel. I've had something similar happen to me a couple of times. Once I was a couple of miles out of the East Passage to Narraganset Bay - dark night, small boat with one of those dinky anchor lights on a pole and three guys standing fishing - no power and the light was dim. If it wasn't for the fact that the boat swung with the wind, I might have not seen them until it was too late and run them over even though I wasn't running the Contender at speed. Another time was on Webster lake. Small aluminum boat, anchor light lost against the shoreline lights, dark night, etc. I have very good night vision and I always wear high contrast yellow glasses when driving or fishing at night and can see really well even when it's super dark so it can happen. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. :) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Jul 14, 9:47*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. *Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. *Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. *:) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) Well that was a good day that both boats didn't kiss and make up.... |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jul 14, 9:47*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. *Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. *Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. *:) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) Well that was a good day that both boats didn't kiss and make up.... Almost did one time with Scott - scared the heck out of him when the 50 something foot Viking came around the Napatree Point corner. Wimp. :) |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Jul 14, 11:09*pm, Guru of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jul 14, 9:47*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will..... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. *Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. *Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. *:) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) Well that was a good day that both boats didn't kiss and make up.... Almost did one time with Scott - scared the heck out of him when the 50 something foot Viking came around the Napatree Point corner. Wimp. :) It would have scared the stuffing out of me too. OK,,, Double wimp! ?;^ Q |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Guru of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jul 14, 9:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. :) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) Well that was a good day that both boats didn't kiss and make up.... Almost did one time with Scott - scared the heck out of him when the 50 something foot Viking came around the Napatree Point corner. Wimp. :) How's the fishin' been? Pffftttt. Wimp this sneakers boy.. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Tim wrote:
On Jul 14, 11:09 pm, Guru of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:51:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jul 14, 9:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:49:52 -0400, Gene wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:06:24 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have a one word answer.... a get out of jail card, if you will.... RADAR. That one off East Passage I never saw on radar - it was lost in clutter and by the time I got close enough to get a strong return, it would have been too late. That being the case, I can only recommend "Preparation H!" Heh... As you know, radar can look behind structure and land masses. One time I was heading up the Stonington Channel to the Watch Hill Yacht club to put in over night. Visibility was down to about 1/2 mile and decreasing - I was just moving along at about 15 knots and as I approached Napatree Point, I took a close look at the radar - didn't see anything at first, but I looked a little closer and just saw what I thought was part of the beach move a little. Let me explain about Napatree Point - the channel at that place is about 13 feet wide at low tide - the green buoy marks the exact size of the channel as opposed to the flats which are about two feet deep at extreme low tide which this was - the red buoy is actually Napatree Point. Anyway, discretion the better part of valor, I sounded my horn, didn't hear anything, couldn't see anything behind the dunes, radar still didn't show anything significant, but I waited anyway. Around comes a dragger - Miss Martha which is the biggest dragger out of Pawcatuck - 90 foot low profile, mid-ship pilot house - state of the art. Miss Martha's captain was as surprised as I was - we talked about it on ch 13. Neither one of us thought to check the local working channel. :) Use all the tools at your disposal was the lesson that day. :) Well that was a good day that both boats didn't kiss and make up.... Almost did one time with Scott - scared the heck out of him when the 50 something foot Viking came around the Napatree Point corner. Wimp. :) It would have scared the stuffing out of me too. OK,,, Double wimp! ?;^ Q I ain't sayin' nuttin'.. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:58:13 -0400, H the K
wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). Around the Groton/Mystic area, they have special licsencing for kids and horsepower restrictions - must be going on twenty/twenty five years now. It's worked real well too. I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. I prefer much more drastic punishment - like one strike and you are breaking rocks forever. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Captain Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:58:13 -0400, H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). Around the Groton/Mystic area, they have special licsencing for kids and horsepower restrictions - must be going on twenty/twenty five years now. It's worked real well too. I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. I prefer much more drastic punishment - like one strike and you are breaking rocks forever. Getting started in powerboats with a small boat and a small motor is the way to do it. Getting started with a rowboat without a motor is even better. You learn a lot about the water, waves, wind...physics, as it were. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Jul 15, 3:37*pm, H the K wrote:
Captain Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:58:13 -0400, H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," *not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). Around the Groton/Mystic area, they have special licsencing for kids and horsepower restrictions - must be going on twenty/twenty five years now. It's worked real well too. I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. I prefer much more drastic punishment - like one strike and you are breaking rocks forever. Getting started in powerboats with a small boat and a small motor is the way to do it. Getting started with a rowboat without a motor is even better. You learn a lot about the water, waves, wind...physics, as it were. My first boat was a '27 ft. Chris Craft Cavalier. I never took a piloting course, never wrecked or hit someone, and I had no problem berthing it in a slip. I knew the key to the success of the whole thing was take it easy and use some common sense. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
H the K wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote:
H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
D wrote:
H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Besides, it's stupid to punish someone by taking away something that had nothing to do with the crime. By Harry's stupid reasoning, if you were caught slandering someone, maybe they'd take your boat away? Hmmm, hey, wait.......that IS a good idea. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
"Just John Again" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote: H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H Dingy Dan righteous??? That's a laugh! He's the worst your motley Dope Army has to offer. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:49:51 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: You've really put your finger on the problem..... I've been a teacher for 36 years and I have YET to figure out how to teach common sense. You just can't fix stupid. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=121349 LOL Hmmm. Reminds me of blonde jokes, but new to me. --Vic |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:49:51 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: Lake boaters, in salt water, will continue to be scary..... Well, there's your problem. :) It's also very true. |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:48:36 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:49:51 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: You've really put your finger on the problem..... I've been a teacher for 36 years and I have YET to figure out how to teach common sense. You just can't fix stupid. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=121349 LOL Hmmm. Reminds me of blonde jokes, but new to me. I don't know - a couple of those are a little suspicious - actually most of them except for the car key one. But, having said that, I had this happen to me. Neighbor knocks on my door and asks if he can use the phone. Sure - what's up? He says he changed all his phones over to wireless and they didn't work. So I'm thinking - hmmmm... Tell you what, let's go look at it. Sure enough - the phones weren't connected to the phone lines and the power cords were still in the box. So I connected the lines, plugged in the power and the phones work. Guys looks at me and says he's going to take the phones back. Why? They are supposed to be wireless. I swear that is absoutely true. :) |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:26:42 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Just John Again" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote: H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H Dingy Dan righteous??? That's a laugh! He's the worst your motley Dope Army has to offer. Hey - truce remember? Cease fire? |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:26:42 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Just John Again" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote: H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H Dingy Dan righteous??? That's a laugh! He's the worst your motley Dope Army has to offer. Your contributions like this are always appreciated. -- John H |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:24:27 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:48:36 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:49:51 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: You've really put your finger on the problem..... I've been a teacher for 36 years and I have YET to figure out how to teach common sense. You just can't fix stupid. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=121349 LOL Hmmm. Reminds me of blonde jokes, but new to me. I don't know - a couple of those are a little suspicious - actually most of them except for the car key one. But, having said that, I had this happen to me. Neighbor knocks on my door and asks if he can use the phone. Sure - what's up? He says he changed all his phones over to wireless and they didn't work. So I'm thinking - hmmmm... Tell you what, let's go look at it. Sure enough - the phones weren't connected to the phone lines and the power cords were still in the box. So I connected the lines, plugged in the power and the phones work. Guys looks at me and says he's going to take the phones back. Why? They are supposed to be wireless. I swear that is absoutely true. :) Was he a really, really old guy? If yes, keep an eye on him. If no, keep an eye on him. --Vic |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:26:42 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Just John Again" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote: H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H Dingy Dan righteous??? That's a laugh! He's the worst your motley Dope Army has to offer. Hey - truce remember? Cease fire? Apparently Herring and "D" and "Just" haven't got the word. Am I surprised, or what? :) |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
H the K wrote:
Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:26:42 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Just John Again" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0400, D wrote: H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:59:59 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Somebody posted an update on that a while back. Seems like the wronged party was making some progress.... I remember it as in the "heartland," not the left coast.... Here in Iowa we had a cop kill a guy in his bunk, in a designated anchorage. The cops tried to allege it was somehow the victims fault for not showing non required lights. We had a drunk run down a boat, hit it from behind, went over the top of the victim, killing the driver, and kept right on going. They found the damaged boat and witnesses to each of the drinks the guy had that night. Casady I'm in favor of laws that take auto driving licenses away from drunk boat drivers. I'm also in favor of licensing drivers of power boats with more than a very small engine (in order to allow kids to drive their own boats). I also favor mandatory jail time for the *first* DUI offense, and increased time in jail for subsequent convictions. Who asked? Who cares what you "think", WAFA? Doug, please filter him like most other righteous folk have done. -- John H Dingy Dan righteous??? That's a laugh! He's the worst your motley Dope Army has to offer. Hey - truce remember? Cease fire? Apparently Herring and "D" and "Just" haven't got the word. Am I surprised, or what? :) Filter malfunction, WAFA? |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
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boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Jul 16, 11:24*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:48:36 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:49:51 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: You've really put your finger on the problem..... I've been a teacher for 36 years and I have YET to figure out how to teach common sense. You just can't fix stupid. http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=121349 LOL Hmmm. *Reminds me of blonde jokes, but new to me. I don't know *- a couple of those are a little suspicious - actually most of them except for the car key one. But, having said that, I had this happen to me. Neighbor knocks on my door and asks if he can use the phone. *Sure - what's up? He says he changed all his phones over to wireless and they didn't work. So I'm thinking - hmmmm... Tell you what, let's go look at it. Sure enough - the phones weren't connected to the phone lines and the power cords were still in the box. So I connected the lines, plugged in the power and the phones work. Guys looks at me and says he's going to take the phones back. * Why? They are supposed to be wireless. I swear that is absolutely true. *:) I put up with stuff like that daily! I ahd a guy bring a starter to me, and I inspected it and it was fine. I told him he needed a battery. So int he afternoon he brought the starter back and I looked it over again just to make sure it was fine. It wasn't new but far from bad. He did bring his new battery for me to test,a nd when he set it on my bench it said 2003 and had "Parke Avenue" written in yellow junk yard ink. I said. "this battery is scrap, It won't even hold 7 volts. why didn't you get a new one?" He looked at me and said; "Well, it's new to me..." "Why didn't you get a BRAND NEW battery!" "Why, those cost about $65.00 and this one was only $25.00 down at Mikes Salvage...!!!" yeah, and now it's going to cost you about $90.00 because you already blew $25 on a junk one. He left disgruntled, but..... Yeah, I put up with it daily... |
boat collision, could this mean manslaughter charges?
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: "Why, those cost about $65.00 and this one was only $25.00 down at Mikes Salvage...!!!" Oh - so it's cheap stories huh? There's a guy here in town who we call "The Tinker" - part pun, part truth. He's so freakin' cheap that once, when his well pump crapped out, his family went without water for three weeks while he pulled the pump out of the well, tore the pump down, rebuilt the motor and put it back into the well (a neighbor would let him use a hose from his house to fill up a 55 gallon drum) - the wife used the hospital employee showers and the kids used the Middle School Gym facilities. He had a hole in his roof for two/three years that he waited to repair until the rest of the roof started leaking - kept it covered with plywood and a blue tarp. When he replaced his roof, he did it by buying rusty old steel roofing from the scrap yard in Putnam. His house is never above 50 degrees in the winter, the family is always in winter coats even inside, he collects wood from the side of the road to use in an old rattle trap Franklin stove he got at the dump...I'm sorry - Recycling Transfer Station. He drives an old rusted out Ford Country Squire station wagon and has four others in his back yard for spare parts. He won't buy a second car so his wife walks to work in Putnam (about two miles to the hospital - she's a nurse). Here's the kicker - he's one of the most sought after diesel mechanics around. There isnt' a diesel this guy can't fix and he's a specialist in International and Volvo diesel engines. His shop is spotless and has all the latest and greatest tools from Snap-on, Mac, etc. Every piece of test equipment known to man or science for working on diesels he has. He charges $110/hr and he's got trucks lined up all in neat rows in his yard - his road fee is $225 an hour and time starts from the moment he gets the call - which he goes out to in a brand new F-450 diesel pickup with a custom mobile shop on the frame. He has one of the newest and biggest heavy truck tow vehicles I've ever seen - he gets $150 just to start the engine on it when he goes out to recover a stuck truck and charges some outrageous amount of money to tow a truck/trailer combo back to his shop. He has two top notch mechanics working for him and he's not stingy with pay and hands out a yearly bonus. And on top of all that, he's one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet - you need a volunteer for a town committee or to help with a charitable event, he's there and it's the same with his wife - his kids are smart and all well adjusted. Go figure. |
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