Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic


It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Jul 8, 6:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

""It's wonderful news to hear of the existence of large breeding
animals, but from a conservation point of view, it was a shame the
shark was not released alive."

what was he supposed to do? release it when it's dead?

I think it should have gone to market and fed a lot of people.

People eat fish, including sharks, even biggun's

That's not he only fresh water shark in existance.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:02:33 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

Well, let's put it this way.

The Captain is in charge of the boat. Which means that with respect to
anything that happens on the boat, he sets the rules.

So given that as a fact, it would seem that if the Captain said to let
it go, that would be it and the fish would be released.

However, and this is the sticky part, the client also has a right to
the fish. He has paid the Captain for the use of the boat and the
Captain's expertise for the express purpose of catching a fish or
multiple fish.

The only way that a Captain can affect some kind of outcome or
decision is if the client or boat is in danger - then the client does
not have any part of the decision process.

Based on the description of the catch, it was the client's decision to
keep or let the fish go - that may be the rules in that part of the
world - that I can't say.

There's also a problem with records. Most records, including IGFA
records, are landed records - meaning that they are brought ashore and
weighed on a certified scale, the rig is certified as legal,
statements are signed and witnessed, forms submitted along with
pictures, etc. So that's a problem too.

In my experience, I always explained the rules ahead of time - WAY
ahead of time. On my boats, market fish were the keepers - any trophy
fish was to be released as (1) the larger fish are almost always
breeders and female and (2) a picture of the fish along side the boat,
a certificate by me would be issued and I have a contact who does high
quality replica mounts for a very reasonable price.

Now having said that, what I would have done is try to convince the
client not to land the fish - just settle for one hell of a story,
some pictures and maybe offer to pay for a mount if that's what the
client wanted.

Reminds me of the Oak Harbor Shark Tournament a few years ago. Two
guys hooked up with a 1,300 lb Tiger shark off Martha's. They had no
chance to win the tournament because they couldn't make it back to Oak
Harbor in time to weigh in, but they took the shark anyway for the
record. I was out there the day it happened and to tell the truth, I
felt ****ed off that they took this beautiful predator out of the
ecosystem just for the record.

That was bull**** in my book.

One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series
billfish and shark tournament model - on board judges who film,
document, measure and tag all catches which are then released back
into the eco system.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 8, 6:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

""It's wonderful news to hear of the existence of large breeding
animals, but from a conservation point of view, it was a shame the
shark was not released alive."

what was he supposed to do? release it when it's dead?

I think it should have gone to market and fed a lot of people.

People eat fish, including sharks, even biggun's

That's not he only fresh water shark in existance.

Not the point. That fish was most likely a female and most likely
still breeding.

You want to keep fish like that in the water and producing more little
fishies.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Jul 8, 7:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

Just like the 12 foot Sturgeon 3 guys wrestled in near Goderich,
Ontario. They are FORCED to let it go, by law. It did swim away.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Jul 8, 7:02*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

Is that Loogy in the picture?

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

Scott Dickson wrote:
On Jul 8, 7:13 pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530
The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????
--Vic
It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

Just like the 12 foot Sturgeon 3 guys wrestled in near Goderich,
Ontario. They are FORCED to let it go, by law. It did swim away.


I guess I just don't understand fishing or hunting for "trophies." When
I fish to actually catch fish, I go for "table fish," common fish of
ordinary size that aren't so big they've become tough or bad-tasting.
Hell, I don't much like the taste of the sought-after striped bass in
chesapeake bay. I prefer flounder or sea trout.

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On Jul 8, 7:21*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jul 8, 6:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

""It's wonderful news to hear of the existence of large breeding
animals, but from a conservation point of view, it was a shame the
shark was not released alive."

what was he supposed to do? release it when it's dead?

I think it should have gone to market and fed a lot of people.

People eat fish, including *sharks, even biggun's

That's not he only fresh water shark in existance.

Not the point. That fish was most likely a female and most likely
still breeding.

You want to keep fish like that in the water and producing more little
fishies.

Very good Capt. i do appreciat your explaination. and it does make
sens, but please re-note my mis-spelled disclaimer:

"That's not he only fresh water shark in existance. "

i know what you're saying, but I look at it as maybe not as big, that
species isn't endangered, also there's *propably* plenty more where
that came from.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:36:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 8, 7:21*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jul 8, 6:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

""It's wonderful news to hear of the existence of large breeding
animals, but from a conservation point of view, it was a shame the
shark was not released alive."

what was he supposed to do? release it when it's dead?

I think it should have gone to market and fed a lot of people.

People eat fish, including *sharks, even biggun's

That's not he only fresh water shark in existance.

Not the point. That fish was most likely a female and most likely
still breeding.

You want to keep fish like that in the water and producing more little
fishies.

Very good Capt. i do appreciat your explaination. and it does make
sens, but please re-note my mis-spelled disclaimer:

"That's not he only fresh water shark in existance. "

i know what you're saying, but I look at it as maybe not as big, that
species isn't endangered, also there's *propably* plenty more where
that came from.

That's been the thinking about sharks for years.

Turns out, not so much as thought.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06...ce-extinction/

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



In my experience, I always explained the rules ahead of time - WAY
ahead of time. On my boats, market fish were the keepers - any trophy
fish was to be released as (1) the larger fish are almost always
breeders and female and (2) a picture of the fish along side the boat,
a certificate by me would be issued and I have a contact who does high
quality replica mounts for a very reasonable price.

That's my view on this.
But that captain either didn't think about of the heat he was going to
take, or didn't care, else he would have laid down the rules up front.
It was an unusual catch, and put him on the spot.
According to the article, from the captain:
"It is regrettable that such a magnificent fish had to be taken to
shore to be weighed to verify a record, but in these situations it is
the angler's decision," said Aston."
Maybe he will change the rules for his clients, and maybe not.

Now having said that, what I would have done is try to convince the
client not to land the fish - just settle for one hell of a story,
some pictures and maybe offer to pay for a mount if that's what the
client wanted.

Reminds me of the Oak Harbor Shark Tournament a few years ago. Two
guys hooked up with a 1,300 lb Tiger shark off Martha's. They had no
chance to win the tournament because they couldn't make it back to Oak
Harbor in time to weigh in, but they took the shark anyway for the
record. I was out there the day it happened and to tell the truth, I
felt ****ed off that they took this beautiful predator out of the
ecosystem just for the record.

That was bull**** in my book.

One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series
billfish and shark tournament model - on board judges who film,
document, measure and tag all catches which are then released back
into the eco system.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

Sounds like good practice.
The photo in the link I posted reminded me of the old Hemingway
and Teddy R. big-game hunting photos where they had a foot on a dead
rhino or elephant. Or the buffalo slaughtered and left to rot.
Killing for the sake of killing.
Better to wrestle them things. Then you can feel proud, or maybe just
stop feeling anything at all. Depends on who wins.

--Vic

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Too bad we have no ability to ban the huge factory fish catching and
processing boats.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catch then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Yeah, I see too many yahoos going out for Blues and coming home with a
boatload, only to leave them to rot on the dock or in the garbage at
home. They just wanted to get the photo for their friends. For years I
have been known for never telling how big my fish were, as I have pretty
much always been catch and release since I was a kid. I will keep up to
one blue a year as my kid loves the oily poppers I make. I will keep
legal striper bass as I love em' and so does my father in law. And I
will keep larger rainbow trout, or brookies, but no browns, they taste
like cardboard...

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:50:49 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

True, but it's still the big bucks landed tournaments that take the
monsters out of the system where they are most needed.

I remember back when largemouth were considered "trash" fish - like
bullheads - 'po folk et 'em. :)

One of the biggest problems we're seeing up here, and while the
various Departments of The Environment in New England states don't
publicly acknowledge it, poaching of striper and ground fish stocks
goes on and on - mostly Russians, Poles, etc - mostly immigrants from
that area of the world - reselling into their own ethnic markets and
shops year around without any interference except for the occasional
bust. Enforcement of landed poaching is almost non-existant.

And I feel a rant coming on - I'll stop now. :)

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:58:30 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catch then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Yeah, I see too many yahoos going out for Blues and coming home with a
boatload, only to leave them to rot on the dock or in the garbage at
home. They just wanted to get the photo for their friends. For years I
have been known for never telling how big my fish were, as I have pretty
much always been catch and release since I was a kid. I will keep up to
one blue a year as my kid loves the oily poppers I make. I will keep
legal striper bass as I love em' and so does my father in law. And I
will keep larger rainbow trout, or brookies, but no browns, they taste
like cardboard...

So, what do you do with the hats, eyeballs, ears and bits and pieces
of the boats you "catch" when fishing? :)

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:25:04 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One of the biggest problems we're seeing up here, and while the various
Departments of The Environment in New England states don't publicly
acknowledge it, poaching of striper and ground fish stocks goes on and
on - mostly Russians, Poles, etc - mostly immigrants from that area of
the world - reselling into their own ethnic markets and shops year
around without any interference except for the occasional bust.
Enforcement of landed poaching is almost non-existant.

I won't say that's not happening here, but stripers have been a "no sell"
fish for quite a few years here. I'm sure there must be an underground
market, but you won't see them in any legitimate restaurant or fish
market. And, they do seem to be making a strong comeback.

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

Should King Kong Be Left in the Jungle?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:58:30 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catch then released back into the eco system.
That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.
Yeah, I see too many yahoos going out for Blues and coming home with a
boatload, only to leave them to rot on the dock or in the garbage at
home. They just wanted to get the photo for their friends. For years I
have been known for never telling how big my fish were, as I have pretty
much always been catch and release since I was a kid. I will keep up to
one blue a year as my kid loves the oily poppers I make. I will keep
legal striper bass as I love em' and so does my father in law. And I
will keep larger rainbow trout, or brookies, but no browns, they taste
like cardboard...

So, what do you do with the hats, eyeballs, ears and bits and pieces
of the boats you "catch" when fishing? :)
Send them to this guy named "Parker", he uses them to build boats!

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:42:36 -0400, J i m
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

WHAT?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?

Sport man - sport. You do it for the fun of the hunt, the chase, the
fight - the pure joy of knowing that you've mastered a denizen of the
wild - just the knowledge that if your had to, you could. The skill
and knowledge of presenting the proper bait with the proper technique
at the proper time at the proper place with the proper equipment. A
deeper understanding of the nature of your quarry and the constant
learning curve of time, place and technique.

It not being out in nature, but being a part of it - a piece of the
eco puzzle - an opportunity and an excuse to go places you've never
been before - new stretches of river, new lakes, and new countryside.
Visiting areas you have been before, but it's never the same due to
wind, waves, tides and time.

The ultimate predator showing compassion and mercy to the lesser
species.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:42:36 -0400, J i m
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.
That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.
Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

WHAT?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?

Sport man - sport. You do it for the fun of the hunt, the chase, the
fight - the pure joy of knowing that you've mastered a denizen of the
wild - just the knowledge that if your had to, you could. The skill
and knowledge of presenting the proper bait with the proper technique
at the proper time at the proper place with the proper equipment. A
deeper understanding of the nature of your quarry and the constant
learning curve of time, place and technique.

It not being out in nature, but being a part of it - a piece of the
eco puzzle - an opportunity and an excuse to go places you've never
been before - new stretches of river, new lakes, and new countryside.
Visiting areas you have been before, but it's never the same due to
wind, waves, tides and time.

The ultimate predator showing compassion and mercy to the lesser
species.


SW Tom's been taking night school courses at the College of Purple Prose.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:42:36 -0400, J i m
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series
billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document,
measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.
That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a
bass is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can
be caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are
gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean
fish are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.
Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

WHAT?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?

Sport man - sport. You do it for the fun of the hunt, the chase, the
fight - the pure joy of knowing that you've mastered a denizen of the
wild - just the knowledge that if your had to, you could. The skill
and knowledge of presenting the proper bait with the proper technique
at the proper time at the proper place with the proper equipment. A
deeper understanding of the nature of your quarry and the constant
learning curve of time, place and technique.

It not being out in nature, but being a part of it - a piece of the
eco puzzle - an opportunity and an excuse to go places you've never
been before - new stretches of river, new lakes, and new countryside.
Visiting areas you have been before, but it's never the same due to
wind, waves, tides and time.

The ultimate predator showing compassion and mercy to the lesser
species.


SW Tom's been taking night school courses at the College of Purple Prose.
Maybe you should sign up. Is better than what you write.

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:11:23 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:42:36 -0400, J i m
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. It does take some time for
minds to change. Look at bass fishing. When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

WHAT?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?

Sport man - sport. You do it for the fun of the hunt, the chase, the
fight - the pure joy of knowing that you've mastered a denizen of the
wild - just the knowledge that if your had to, you could. The skill
and knowledge of presenting the proper bait with the proper technique
at the proper time at the proper place with the proper equipment. A
deeper understanding of the nature of your quarry and the constant
learning curve of time, place and technique.

It not being out in nature, but being a part of it - a piece of the
eco puzzle - an opportunity and an excuse to go places you've never
been before - new stretches of river, new lakes, and new countryside.
Visiting areas you have been before, but it's never the same due to
wind, waves, tides and time.

The ultimate predator showing compassion and mercy to the lesser
species.

Well, since fishfinders came in (which I've never used BTW) some of
the mystic elements of the hunt have evaporated.
No romance.
Like shooting wolves from a chopper.
So I agree with Jim.
And if I don't get some fish to eat, I got some sun and fresh air.

--Vic

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On Jul 8, 7:43*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:36:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jul 8, 7:21*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 8, 6:13*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3530

The article indicates this fisherman caught some heat for bringing it
home.
The boat captain said it was the fisherman's choice.
Seems to me the captain gets to set the rules.
????

--Vic

It would have been more "manly" to let it go...alive.

""It's wonderful news to hear of the existence of large breeding
animals, but from a conservation point of view, it was a shame the
shark was not released alive."

what was he supposed to do? release it when it's dead?

I think it should have gone to market and fed a lot of people.

People eat fish, including *sharks, even biggun's

That's not he only fresh water shark in existance.

Not the point. That fish was most likely a female and most likely
still breeding.

You want to keep fish like that in the water and producing more little
fishies.

Very good Capt. i do appreciat your explaination. and it does make
sens, but please re-note my mis-spelled disclaimer:

"That's not he only fresh water shark in existance. "

i know what you're saying, but I look at it as maybe not as big, that
species isn't *endangered, also there's **propably* plenty more where
that came from.

That's been the thinking about sharks for years.

Turns out, not so much as thought.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06...ce-extinction/

Thank you wise one, I surrender to your knowledge.

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On Jul 9, 6:25*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:50:49 -0500, thunder
wrote:



On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate *the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. *It does take some time for
minds to change. *Look at bass fishing. *When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. *These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. *They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. *Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

True, but it's still the big bucks landed tournaments that take the
monsters out of the system where they are most needed.

I remember back when largemouth were considered "trash" fish - like
bullheads - 'po folk et 'em. *:)

you mean like 'buffalo'

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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 9, 6:25Â*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


I remember back when largemouth were considered "trash" fish - like
bullheads - 'po folk et 'em. Â*:)

you mean like 'buffalo'

I read once that back east they pitchforked the salmon out of the
streams during the spawning runs - to use for field fertilizer.
Considered salmon trash fish.
Never knew that about largemouth.
But we never considered them good eating.
Crappies and bluegills were the favorite eating fish.

--Vic

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:31:44 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Crappies and bluegills were the favorite eating fish.

Oh yeah - remember going out in the morning before first light with a
flash light and can up a bunch of worms, then head out to the local
lake, catch a mess of panfish, clean 'em and have 'em for breakfast
with hush puppies.

I got back far enough to remember the blue pike Friday Fish Fry. That
was some good eatin'.

Man, I'm ancient. :)

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:50:27 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Well, since fishfinders came in (which I've never used BTW) some of
the mystic elements of the hunt have evaporated.

Not really. I primarily use mine searching for structure and reading
the sub-surface thermoclines. And use of the GPS isn't much more of a
help either - it helps you return to productive locations, but it's
still a guessing game of water/weather conditions, lure selection,
presentation and all the other factors that go into catching fish.

No romance.

Depends on how you define "romance".

Like shooting wolves from a chopper.

Not at all - entirely different.

So I agree with Jim.

You guys have no soul. :)

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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jul 9, 6:25*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:50:49 -0500, thunder
wrote:



On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate *the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. *It does take some time for
minds to change. *Look at bass fishing. *When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. *These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. *They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. *Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

True, but it's still the big bucks landed tournaments that take the
monsters out of the system where they are most needed.

I remember back when largemouth were considered "trash" fish - like
bullheads - 'po folk et 'em. *:)

you mean like 'buffalo'

More like the blue pike.

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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:11:39 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Thank you wise one, I surrender to your knowledge.

As well you should.

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On Jul 9, 8:11*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:42:36 -0400, J i m
wrote:



thunder wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:07 -0400, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

One final thought - we, and I mean all tournament fishermen, need to
reevaluate *the landed tournaments and go towards the X series billfish
and shark tournament model - on board judges who film, document, measure
and tag all catches which are then released back into the eco system.

That seems to be the wave of the future. *It does take some time for
minds to change. *Look at bass fishing. *When I was a kid, a bass was a
meal. *These days, at least around here, it's a rare instance when a bass
is kept. *They are almost always released with the hope they can be
caught again. *Same with a trout, once the put and take openers are gone.

I think quite a few sportsmen are coming around to seeing that ocean fish
are too valuable alive, to be caught only once.

Catch it - Kill it - Eat it. It's pretty simple. Is there any other
legitimate reason for fishing?

WHAT?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?

Sport man - sport. *You do it for the fun of the hunt, the chase, the
fight - the pure joy of knowing that you've mastered a denizen of the
wild - just the knowledge that if your had to, you could. The skill
and knowledge of presenting the proper bait with the proper technique
at the proper time at the proper place with the proper equipment. *A
deeper understanding of the nature of your quarry and the constant
learning curve of time, place and technique.

It not being out in nature, but being a part of it - a piece of the
eco puzzle - an opportunity and an excuse to go places you've never
been before - new stretches of river, new lakes, and new countryside.
Visiting areas you have been before, but it's never the same due to
wind, waves, tides and time.

The ultimate predator showing compassion and mercy to the lesser
species.

But what happens if that lesser species is so worn out after the great
fight, that it dies from exhaustion ?

Is it still worth it to turn it lose?

Well, I suppose it would be seeing it would be eaten by the
scavengers.


maybe.