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No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

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"jps" wrote in message
...

No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

Maybe he deserved being shot.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

Maybe he deserved being shot.



I doubt he thought dick cheney was a great american.

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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

Maybe he deserved being shot.

Well then, the NRA has helped make certain that he could be.

You another "Christian?"

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jps wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.
Maybe he deserved being shot.

Well then, the NRA has helped make certain that he could be.

You another "Christian?"


He's a righteous conservative.

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"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.
Maybe he deserved being shot.

Well then, the NRA has helped make certain that he could be.

You another "Christian?"


He's a righteous conservative.

Social Liberal, fiscal conservative, agnostic. As opposed to Leftist
Simpleton(s).

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On Jul 7, 3:22*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...





jps wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.
Maybe he deserved being shot.

Well then, the NRA has helped make certain that he could be.

You another "Christian?"

He's a righteous conservative.

Social Liberal, fiscal conservative, agnostic. *As opposed to Leftist
Simpleton(s).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, you know how it is, Bill. Harry has to try to insult, call
childish names, etc. to anyone who a) doesn't believe his hundreds of
lies, 2) who doesn't agree 100% with him.

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On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:59:38 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:50:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...

No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

Maybe he deserved being shot.

Well then, the NRA has helped make certain that he could be.

Do you think waiting a week or even a month waiting period would have
kept this woman from shooting him if that was what she wanted to do?

Perhaps she would have gotten over the shock that he wasn't going to
leave his wife for her or she'd have given him enough reason to try to
protect himself from her clearly insane act.

I imagine she would have just put ground glass in his food or clubbed
him to death in his sleep if she didn't have a gun.

Would have given him a better chance of survival than three shots, two
to the head.

If you took all the gun shot murders out of the picture, we still have
a much higher murder rate than all of those countries we use as an
example of our gun problem and that assumes the gun toting murderers
wouldn't kill someone if they didn't have a gun.
We have a violent society for some reason and guns are just the lazy
way to kill people. I do not underestimate yankee ingenuity tho.

You'll never know because the NRA is there to protect your rights.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
No such chance.

The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.

Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
private sale.

Nice work NRA.

Maybe he deserved being shot.



Who can regulate private sales? Not the NRA or the government.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:34:44 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|No such chance.
|
|The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.
|
|Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
|private sale.
|
|Nice work NRA.

What rabid anti-gun folks don't quite comprehend is that homicidal
intent is not weapon dependent. I had to wait to get my Concealed
Carry Permit or alternatively, I would have to wait to get a gun. That
wouldn't help much if I had a festering homicidal intent.

If I were committed to the task... as it appears, other folks,
deprived of guns, and committed to the task seek other tools of the
trade....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle603869.ece

And, yes, thank you, NRA.... I support you and your efforts to uphold
the American Constitution and the rights granted to us to hold and use
firearms....

Please seek understanding in the truism that, "When guns are outlawed,
only outlaws will own guns...."

But there is also the truism that a great majority of gun crimes were
commited by criminals that got their guns from a legal, law abiding
owner in some fashion or another, be it theft, or whatever.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:19:39 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:34:44 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|No such chance.
|
|The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.
|
|Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
|private sale.
|
|Nice work NRA.

What rabid anti-gun folks don't quite comprehend is that homicidal
intent is not weapon dependent. I had to wait to get my Concealed
Carry Permit or alternatively, I would have to wait to get a gun. That
wouldn't help much if I had a festering homicidal intent.

The problem Gene is that there are so many ****ing weapons on the
street that your truism may have validity.

If we hadn't let the cat out of the bag and had exercised a little
better foresight, there wouldn't be a profusion of easily obtainable
weapons...

Second amendment is not meant to make certain the entire ****ing
country is armed.

Have you visited a trauma ward recently? I have a friend who works in
the local ward. It's filled with shooting victims and the occasional
idiot who's cramed his head into a sidewalk from a motorcycle.

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jps wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:19:39 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:34:44 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|No such chance.
|
|The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.
|
|Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
|private sale.
|
|Nice work NRA.

What rabid anti-gun folks don't quite comprehend is that homicidal
intent is not weapon dependent. I had to wait to get my Concealed
Carry Permit or alternatively, I would have to wait to get a gun. That
wouldn't help much if I had a festering homicidal intent.

The problem Gene is that there are so many ****ing weapons on the
street that your truism may have validity.

If we hadn't let the cat out of the bag and had exercised a little
better foresight, there wouldn't be a profusion of easily obtainable
weapons...

Second amendment is not meant to make certain the entire ****ing
country is armed.

Have you visited a trauma ward recently? I have a friend who works in
the local ward. It's filled with shooting victims and the occasional
idiot who's cramed his head into a sidewalk from a motorcycle.


In Virginia and some other states, there's no waiting period and no
paperwork. You simply go to a gun show and find a private seller.
There's the ones at the show doing sales out of the trunks of their
cars. Perfectly legal in Virginia.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:34:44 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|No such chance.
|
|The easy availability of hand guns made killing Steve McNair easy.
|
|Gun purchased one or two days prior without a waiting period through a
|private sale.
|
|Nice work NRA.

What rabid anti-gun folks don't quite comprehend is that homicidal
intent is not weapon dependent. I had to wait to get my Concealed
Carry Permit or alternatively, I would have to wait to get a gun. That
wouldn't help much if I had a festering homicidal intent.

If I were committed to the task... as it appears, other folks,
deprived of guns, and committed to the task seek other tools of the
trade....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle603869.ece

And, yes, thank you, NRA.... I support you and your efforts to uphold
the American Constitution and the rights granted to us to hold and use
firearms....

Please seek understanding in the truism that, "When guns are outlawed,
only outlaws will own guns...."


I agree with this post.

-NRA Life Member

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Theft, typically, is a non-violent offense.

So basically you just slap them on the hand and let them keep stealing
until a ****ed homeowner shoots them?

I agree that is pretty much the policy now. We had a guy here who was
a multiple conviction offender (theft and burglary), caught by the
homeowner inside his house and turned over at gunpoint to the sheriff.
The bottom line, he was back on the street in 90 days.
The guy who caught him says, next time he will be turned over to the
coroner. Florida is a castle state. The last guy we had shot dead, in
an RV in the driveway, didn't even draw a charge. An RV is a dwelling
unit in the eyes of the law here.


I didn't give a long answer, but typically I would differentiate between
"theft" and "robbery." Theft typically involves stealing, and usually
not by force. "Robbery" typically is the more serious offense, and
usually involves force. Now, laws and definitions differ from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so obviously in some places "theft" can
include characteristics of a more serious offense.

Generally, I would not give long prison sentences to non-violent thieves.

I don't support some aspects of some castle laws or the ways they are
interpreted. . If someone is actively breaking into your house, or
potentially making you a victim of a carjacking, or something similar,
then I think you can stand your ground and do whatever you need to do to
protect your life.

I recall a case in Texas, I think, where two men apparently were
breaking into an empty house, and the neighbor came out and shot them
both, even though the police told him not to do so. The shooter was
found not guilty of anything, if memory serves. Well, that's beyond the
intent of castle laws, I think.

When I was newspaper reporter, I remember a case where a shop owner
rigged a shotgun to go off in case someone broke into his store when he
was not there. Well, it worked...the gun killed a fireman who was part
of a crew answering a fire alarm. The shopkeeper was prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced.

You really are out of your mind! BTW - it's burglary or robbery. The
difference is that robbery involves a person rather than an unoccupied
dwelling or unattended personal property. Would you feel the same if
you came home and Karen's house was empty and your desk (gasp!) in your
basement living quarters was gone along with your mainframe and multiple
workstations?

And what connection does any of that have to do with a story about a
moron who booby trapped his store?

WAFA!

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Theft, typically, is a non-violent offense.

So basically you just slap them on the hand and let them keep stealing
until a ****ed homeowner shoots them?

I agree that is pretty much the policy now. We had a guy here who was
a multiple conviction offender (theft and burglary), caught by the
homeowner inside his house and turned over at gunpoint to the sheriff.
The bottom line, he was back on the street in 90 days.
The guy who caught him says, next time he will be turned over to the
coroner. Florida is a castle state. The last guy we had shot dead, in
an RV in the driveway, didn't even draw a charge. An RV is a dwelling
unit in the eyes of the law here.


I didn't give a long answer, but typically I would differentiate between
"theft" and "robbery." Theft typically involves stealing, and usually
not by force. "Robbery" typically is the more serious offense, and
usually involves force. Now, laws and definitions differ from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so obviously in some places "theft" can
include characteristics of a more serious offense.

Generally, I would not give long prison sentences to non-violent thieves.

I don't support some aspects of some castle laws or the ways they are
interpreted. . If someone is actively breaking into your house, or
potentially making you a victim of a carjacking, or something similar,
then I think you can stand your ground and do whatever you need to do to
protect your life.

I recall a case in Texas, I think, where two men apparently were
breaking into an empty house, and the neighbor came out and shot them
both, even though the police told him not to do so. The shooter was
found not guilty of anything, if memory serves. Well, that's beyond the
intent of castle laws, I think.

When I was newspaper reporter, I remember a case where a shop owner
rigged a shotgun to go off in case someone broke into his store when he
was not there. Well, it worked...the gun killed a fireman who was part
of a crew answering a fire alarm. The shopkeeper was prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced.

Didn't you try to kill someone with your truck for a non violent crime?
Don't you threaten to kill anyone who comes in your home uninvited?
Sounds like you can't keep your stories straight.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Theft, typically, is a non-violent offense.

That is only because we decided to call theft robbery if it is
violent. And it is only non violent if the victim chooses to not
resist.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Theft, typically, is a non-violent offense.

That is only because we decided to call theft robbery if it is
violent. And it is only non violent if the victim chooses to not
resist.

Casady


Oh, I think there is a bit more to it than that. Theft, for example,
typically does not involve the thief directly engaging face to face with
the victim. If you are held up at gunpoint, you've been robbed. If
someone steals a pocketbook from a desk, the crime typically is not
robbery, is it?

According to the OED, robbery...


1. a.1.a The action or practice of feloniously seizing, by violence or
intimidation, property belonging to another; spoliation, depredation.

I seem to recall discussing the fact that the United States imprisons a
higher percentage of its population than any other modern western
nation, and what might be done to lower that number. My suggestion was
to reduce sentences for non-violent criminals and to decriminalize
certain offenses, such as possession of "personal" amounts of pot.

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:58:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh, I think there is a bit more to it than that. Theft, for example,
typically does not involve the thief directly engaging face to face with
the victim. If you are held up at gunpoint, you've been robbed. If
someone steals a pocketbook from a desk, the crime typically is not
robbery, is it?


The problem is, it is just a matter of time before a thief becomes a
robber. It only takes getting caught in the act.

You have still not given us your idea of what deterrent there is for a
guy who just wants to be a thief for a living.

Don't know about the general U.S. incarceration laws, but some states
have "3 strike" laws. Felony theft will get you life in prison - or
close to it - when you strike out.
Personally, I think prisoners should be working to at least partially
pay the bills.
Work, or solitary confinement. On macaroni and cheese.
Seems that prisoners used to produce things in prison, notably license
plates in Illinois.
They could at least be sewing American flags so we don't have to
import them from commie China.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:58:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh, I think there is a bit more to it than that. Theft, for example,
typically does not involve the thief directly engaging face to face with
the victim. If you are held up at gunpoint, you've been robbed. If
someone steals a pocketbook from a desk, the crime typically is not
robbery, is it?

The problem is, it is just a matter of time before a thief becomes a
robber. It only takes getting caught in the act.

You have still not given us your idea of what deterrent there is for a
guy who just wants to be a thief for a living.

Don't know about the general U.S. incarceration laws, but some states
have "3 strike" laws. Felony theft will get you life in prison - or
close to it - when you strike out.
Personally, I think prisoners should be working to at least partially
pay the bills.
Work, or solitary confinement. On macaroni and cheese.
Seems that prisoners used to produce things in prison, notably license
plates in Illinois.
They could at least be sewing American flags so we don't have to
import them from commie China.

--Vic



There's an awful lot of hypocrisy, hate, and stupidity built into our
criminal justice system. We put too many people away for too long a
time, treat them worse than dirt, provide almost nothing in the way of
rehab and training, and then we're surprised when they get out 20 or 30
years later and return to a life of crime. Well...what did we expect?
Just what we got, so we can build more prisons.

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:58:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh, I think there is a bit more to it than that. Theft, for example,
typically does not involve the thief directly engaging face to face with
the victim. If you are held up at gunpoint, you've been robbed. If
someone steals a pocketbook from a desk, the crime typically is not
robbery, is it?


The problem is, it is just a matter of time before a thief becomes a
robber. It only takes getting caught in the act.

Robber confronts victim intending to take from victim.

Thief tries to steal undetected.

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jps wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:58:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:55:34 -0400, HK wrote:

Oh, I think there is a bit more to it than that. Theft, for example,
typically does not involve the thief directly engaging face to face with
the victim. If you are held up at gunpoint, you've been robbed. If
someone steals a pocketbook from a desk, the crime typically is not
robbery, is it?

The problem is, it is just a matter of time before a thief becomes a
robber. It only takes getting caught in the act.

Robber confronts victim intending to take from victim.

Thief tries to steal undetected.

Typically, precisely.