Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

On Jul 3, 5:55*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:32:24 -0400, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 3, 5:18 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...

The Democrats aren't chasing her out of office. She simply didn't have
what it takes to take the heat in the kitchen.
Let's give it some time and see what her reasons are.

It would almost ...... I repeat for the record, **ALMOST* *be worth watching
her take on BO in 2012 and win. * *It sure would put a bunch of people here
into a major hissy fit.

I said "almost".

Eisboch

No matter who takes on BO in 2012, it's almost a done deal that the
incumbent will take a dive.

Everyone is now seeing that the emperor has no clothes.

Hehehe...your fondest hope...but unlikely.

The emporor didn't have clothes in 2003 and that didn't stop Americans
from hiring the ****in' idiot again.

The alternative was far worse, and you know it.

You think Obama can screw it up as badly as Bush did?

He already has. He's joined up with the people that did most of the
screwing up... congress and senate.

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

jps wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:33:27 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

You think Obama can screw it up as badly as Bush did?

Not a bloody chance.

Reminds me of something.

Did you happen to read the summary of the FBI report that was just made
public.
This is very recent. Obama's FBI. Didn't make major headlines, of
course.

It reports the results of a major post mortem of the Iraq issue, from
beginning to end.
It focuses on Saddam's activities, his state of understanding, his
realization that Baghdad was lost and his hiding until captured.

It also recounts the pre-war mindset of Saddam and the various intelligence
agencies (ours and other nations) information and beliefs at the time.
Simplified, the story was this:

Saddam promoted the perception that he indeed was in possession of weapons
of mass destruction.
He was not concerned about the UN or the USA. He didn't believe Bush would
pull the trigger and invade.

His concern was Iran. He wanted to keep them at bay by perpetuating the
rumors and stories of his WMD stockpiles.

So, Saddam said he had WMDs.
The CIA believed he had WMDs.
The FBI believed he had WMDs.
Intelligence agencies of other countries believed he had WMDs.
Clinton believed he had WMDs.
Kerry believed he had WMDs.
In fact, most of Congress believed he had WMDs and are on record as saying
so.
Why not? Saddam said he had WMDs.

But when Bush said Saddam had WMDs, he lied.

Eisboch

Congratulations Richard. Most on the left had this figured out six
years ago.

Everyone believed Saddam had weapons but there were a ton of folks who
were arguing to let the inspectors do their job and had a pretty good
idea Saddam was bluffing.

This **** really started to stink when Bush went into full-rush mode.

You probably didn't notice with all that flag waving and rah rah you
were doing.

To what end? We're ****ed for 3 trillion, everyone hates us and we've
done nothing to rebuild education, infrastructure or ensure job
retention in our country.

Osama bin Laden just had to tip the first domino and our leadership
took over from there.

Good thing it only took you six years to discover the truth.

Congratulations again.


It is important to note that whatever Clinton believed, he was smart
enough to not invade Iraq.

Bush had a hard-on for Saddam before he even presumed his office. He was
looking for excuses, no matter how tenuous, to invade Iraq and get
Saddam. So he, Cheney and Rumsfeld initiated a war of convenience, and
this country and Iraq paid and are paying the price for his hotheadedness.

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

Jack wrote:
On Jul 3, 5:49 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:37:39 -0400, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 3, 5:14 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 3, 4:58 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:52:11 -0600, "Canuck57" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Palin has been dogged in recent months by ethics inquiries. Her office
last month announced the 15th dismissal of an ethics complaint against her
or one of her staff.
Funny how liberal-dims spend so much time on Palin and ignore the obvious
corruption of debt-bailouts from DC.
Guess Palin didn't buy off the the right people.
We haven't seen the last of
her. I predict an updated look that suggests less trashy origins.
You liberals *do* like your women plain and "workman-like", don't you?
I imagine you'd say Pelosi and Hillary are hot, right?
~snerk~
I'm supposed to care whether Mrs. Pelosi or Mrs. Clinton are "hot"?
I never thought Palin was hot.
No ****, sherlock... that's the first time you've posted that
particular opinion. roll-eyes
You must care... after all, you keep harping on Palin's appearance...
so appearance must mean something to you, right?
So answer my question... Why are you liberals attracted to fat, ugly
women with hair under their arms? Self-loathing?
What? I've never expressed interest in your wife, or the wives of any of
the other far-right-righties here.
Think Angelina Jolie is a winger? Think about any "hot" actress in
Hollywood and you'd be hard pressed to find a Publican.

They have brains as well as beauty.

heheh... jps thinks actresses are smart. ~snerk~

*You* think Palin is smart. Maybe she can move to south carolina, where
you and the other right-wing retards can elect her governor.

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:33:27 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Reminds me of something.

Did you happen to read the summary of the FBI report that was just made
public.
This is very recent. Obama's FBI. Didn't make major headlines, of
course.

It reports the results of a major post mortem of the Iraq issue, from
beginning to end.
It focuses on Saddam's activities, his state of understanding, his
realization that Baghdad was lost and his hiding until captured.

It also recounts the pre-war mindset of Saddam and the various
intelligence
agencies (ours and other nations) information and beliefs at the time.
Simplified, the story was this:

Saddam promoted the perception that he indeed was in possession of weapons
of mass destruction.
He was not concerned about the UN or the USA. He didn't believe Bush
would
pull the trigger and invade.

His concern was Iran. He wanted to keep them at bay by perpetuating the
rumors and stories of his WMD stockpiles.

So, Saddam said he had WMDs.
The CIA believed he had WMDs.
The FBI believed he had WMDs.
Intelligence agencies of other countries believed he had WMDs.
Clinton believed he had WMDs.
Kerry believed he had WMDs.
In fact, most of Congress believed he had WMDs and are on record as saying
so.
Why not? Saddam said he had WMDs.

But when Bush said Saddam had WMDs, he lied.

Eisboch

Congratulations Richard. Most on the left had this figured out six
years ago.

Everyone believed Saddam had weapons but there were a ton of folks who
were arguing to let the inspectors do their job and had a pretty good
idea Saddam was bluffing.

This **** really started to stink when Bush went into full-rush mode.

You probably didn't notice with all that flag waving and rah rah you
were doing.

To what end? We're ****ed for 3 trillion, everyone hates us and we've
done nothing to rebuild education, infrastructure or ensure job
retention in our country.

Osama bin Laden just had to tip the first domino and our leadership
took over from there.

Good thing it only took you six years to discover the truth.

Congratulations again.



Were you vacationing on Jupiter or something when this was happening?
You don't recall Saddam kicking the inspectors out?
You don't recall him letting them back in, but the Chief Inspector threw in
the towel due to restrictions imposed by Saddam?
You don't recall about 6 months of UN hearings and calling for Saddam to
come clean?

The left didn't catch on to anything. They have simply rewritten history
for convenience.

Eisboch

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:33:27 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
Reminds me of something.

Did you happen to read the summary of the FBI report that was just made
public.
This is very recent. Obama's FBI. Didn't make major headlines, of
course.

It reports the results of a major post mortem of the Iraq issue, from
beginning to end.
It focuses on Saddam's activities, his state of understanding, his
realization that Baghdad was lost and his hiding until captured.

It also recounts the pre-war mindset of Saddam and the various
intelligence
agencies (ours and other nations) information and beliefs at the time.
Simplified, the story was this:

Saddam promoted the perception that he indeed was in possession of weapons
of mass destruction.
He was not concerned about the UN or the USA. He didn't believe Bush
would
pull the trigger and invade.

His concern was Iran. He wanted to keep them at bay by perpetuating the
rumors and stories of his WMD stockpiles.

So, Saddam said he had WMDs.
The CIA believed he had WMDs.
The FBI believed he had WMDs.
Intelligence agencies of other countries believed he had WMDs.
Clinton believed he had WMDs.
Kerry believed he had WMDs.
In fact, most of Congress believed he had WMDs and are on record as saying
so.
Why not? Saddam said he had WMDs.

But when Bush said Saddam had WMDs, he lied.

Eisboch
Congratulations Richard. Most on the left had this figured out six
years ago.

Everyone believed Saddam had weapons but there were a ton of folks who
were arguing to let the inspectors do their job and had a pretty good
idea Saddam was bluffing.

This **** really started to stink when Bush went into full-rush mode.

You probably didn't notice with all that flag waving and rah rah you
were doing.

To what end? We're ****ed for 3 trillion, everyone hates us and we've
done nothing to rebuild education, infrastructure or ensure job
retention in our country.

Osama bin Laden just had to tip the first domino and our leadership
took over from there.

Good thing it only took you six years to discover the truth.

Congratulations again.



Were you vacationing on Jupiter or something when this was happening?
You don't recall Saddam kicking the inspectors out?
You don't recall him letting them back in, but the Chief Inspector threw in
the towel due to restrictions imposed by Saddam?
You don't recall about 6 months of UN hearings and calling for Saddam to
come clean?

The left didn't catch on to anything. They have simply rewritten history
for convenience.

Eisboch




You don't recall a U.S. president named George W. Bush who was eager to
start a war of convenience?

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:59:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:




Were you vacationing on Jupiter or something when this was happening?
You don't recall Saddam kicking the inspectors out?
You don't recall him letting them back in, but the Chief Inspector threw in
the towel due to restrictions imposed by Saddam?
You don't recall about 6 months of UN hearings and calling for Saddam to
come clean?

Being a news junkie of sorts here's part of what I remember.
I've seen it is often forgotten, or maybe not even noticed.
The Congressional vote to give GWB war powers was touted
as a cudgel to get the UN to pass a further resolution.
That worked.
As the U.S. military built up and the engine was warming up,
I saw a live CNN report from Iraq where Hans Blitz, the chief UN
arms inspector, was asked some questions.
This was about 2 weeks out from the invasion.
It only lasted a couple minutes.
He said he could go anywhere now with his choppers, even Saddams
presidential palaces, to look for WMD.
He was asked why he wasn't inspecting the sites that Colin Powell
had marked at the UN on big maps.
He said,
"Because General Powell won't give me the locations."
He was very frustrated.
A few months into the war our guys examined a location that Powell
has pointed his pointer at and told the UN, "This is a WMD production
and transportation point."
Now a news crew was showing that site. It was a field that contained
a bunch of abandoned old semi-trailers, rusty and with flat tires.
So much for me ever believing a word Colin Powell ever spoke again.
The biggests element of us going into Iraq was the closeness of 9/11
and trust in GWB to do the right thing.
The leaders, both political and in the press, fell down in their duty
to raise questions.
Too many people not thinking.
I was against going in until Blitz had his chance, but I happened to
see that interview with him.
If that had been more widely broadcast, the story may have been
different.

--Vic

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You don't recall a U.S. president named George W. Bush who was eager to
start a war of convenience?

Nope.

I remember a U.S. president named George W. Bush who patiently utilized the
UN for over 6 months to call upon Saddam to come clean on his WMD's, to
allow the weapons inspectors back into Iraq as agreed to and stipulated at
the conclusion of the first Gulf War, to stop firing at UN endorsed no fly
zone patrols, all while the CIA, FBI, and other national's intelligence
agencies reported the existence of WMDs and Saddam not protesting much.

Only after none were found and election time was on the horizon did the "He
lied to us" BS start.
If he lied to us, he also lied to and convinced people like Colon Powell,
who I don't think lowers his integrity to support a "lying" president.

Eisboch

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:59:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:




Were you vacationing on Jupiter or something when this was happening?
You don't recall Saddam kicking the inspectors out?
You don't recall him letting them back in, but the Chief Inspector threw
in
the towel due to restrictions imposed by Saddam?
You don't recall about 6 months of UN hearings and calling for Saddam to
come clean?

Being a news junkie of sorts here's part of what I remember.
I've seen it is often forgotten, or maybe not even noticed.
The Congressional vote to give GWB war powers was touted
as a cudgel to get the UN to pass a further resolution.
That worked.
As the U.S. military built up and the engine was warming up,
I saw a live CNN report from Iraq where Hans Blitz, the chief UN
arms inspector, was asked some questions.
This was about 2 weeks out from the invasion.
It only lasted a couple minutes.
He said he could go anywhere now with his choppers, even Saddams
presidential palaces, to look for WMD.
He was asked why he wasn't inspecting the sites that Colin Powell
had marked at the UN on big maps.
He said,
"Because General Powell won't give me the locations."
He was very frustrated.
A few months into the war our guys examined a location that Powell
has pointed his pointer at and told the UN, "This is a WMD production
and transportation point."
Now a news crew was showing that site. It was a field that contained
a bunch of abandoned old semi-trailers, rusty and with flat tires.
So much for me ever believing a word Colin Powell ever spoke again.
The biggests element of us going into Iraq was the closeness of 9/11
and trust in GWB to do the right thing.
The leaders, both political and in the press, fell down in their duty
to raise questions.
Too many people not thinking.
I was against going in until Blitz had his chance, but I happened to
see that interview with him.
If that had been more widely broadcast, the story may have been
different.

--Vic

Blitz changed his tune as the world's mood changed.
People forget that at one time he was expressing the loudest complaints of
Saddam's restrictions imposed on his inspection teams. In fact, shortly
before the war started, he threw in the towel and announced they could not
do their job. I don't recall the finger of blame being pointed at Powell.
I recall it being pointed at Saddam.

When the "Bush lied to us" routine started, that's when Blitz suddenly
joined the bandwagon.

Eisboch

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Canuck57 wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:52:11 -0600, "Canuck57" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Palin has been dogged in recent months by ethics inquiries. Her office
last month announced the 15th dismissal of an ethics complaint against
her
or one of her staff.
Funny how liberal-dims spend so much time on Palin and ignore the
obvious
corruption of debt-bailouts from DC.

Guess Palin didn't buy off the the right people.
That woman is far out of the loop. She's got her own loop. Probably
going into training for her 2012 run. We haven't seen the last of
her. I predict an updated look that suggests less trashy origins.

I suppose what has you liberal-dims in a twist is that you like your
women barefoot stupid and corrupted.


Actually, I always thought Palin was the barefoot, stupid, pregnant, and
corrupted woman.

She didn't run her state broke and credit-card-cebt spending. Didn't know
so many Americans hate women as equals.

Sarah Palin to resign as governor...
 

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Canuck57 wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:52:11 -0600, "Canuck57" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Palin has been dogged in recent months by ethics inquiries. Her office
last month announced the 15th dismissal of an ethics complaint against
her
or one of her staff.
Funny how liberal-dims spend so much time on Palin and ignore the
obvious
corruption of debt-bailouts from DC.

Guess Palin didn't buy off the the right people.
That woman is far out of the loop. She's got her own loop. Probably
going into training for her 2012 run. We haven't seen the last of
her. I predict an updated look that suggests less trashy origins.
I suppose what has you liberal-dims in a twist is that you like your
women barefoot stupid and corrupted.

Actually, I always thought Palin was the barefoot, stupid, pregnant, and
corrupted woman.

She didn't run her state broke and credit-card-cebt spending. Didn't know
so many Americans hate women as equals.




Actually, she did. And she did the same thing to Wasilla.