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Trickle down liberalism

JustWait wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:03:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I'll stick my nose in. I think by "investing" Frogwatch was
referring
to
the entrepreneurial spirit of creating, building and hopefully
succeeding
as
a business.

What about bringing in some Mexicans to do that?
Might work.
They do pretty well with food service, construction, lawn care, etc.
Hustlers.
They can bring in some Indians, Chinamen and Ruskies for the
engineering parts.
Good engineers, don't want much pay, and don't whine all the time.
Hell, I ran a crew at the last big business I worked for.
The policy was to toss Iraq vet resumes in the garbage, and hire
foreigners. Fortune 100, doing domestic business only.
If Froggy gets hungry enough they might hire him on too.
You surely don't think America has a lock on entrepreneurs?

--Vic

I don't think I said or implied that.
Have another beer.

Nah, pretty much no more than one a day anymore.
Whether you directly implied it or not, it has been implied
here that there is a "special class" of Americans that everybody
depends on, and deserve special favors.
Sorry, America is a team.
Much of big business doesn't see it that way.
If the team falls apart, the coaches are out of a job too.
If you think foreign workers are fine, then so are foreign coaches.
That's just how it works, IMO.
Sorry for my patriotism. I know it offends some.
And I'm not criticizing any of your business practices, but your
defense of big business without much qualification about how
globalistic practice damages America.
Here's a capitalist that seems to have his head screwed on straight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...busine ssNews

We all know that business is the engine of the economy.
But the coach needs the team as much as the reverse.
The question is how business and America will work as a team.
We will remain a free market, but as I suggested in another post,
unless business satisfies the people, it will be molded to their will.
That will all work itself out naturally.
Ain't it great?

--Vic

I may be talking out of my hat because I've never worked for a "big
business".
However, I have quite a bit of experience interfacing with many who do.
Most were technical or engineering based companies, so maybe there is
a fault in my opinion, but with very few exceptions, everyone I've
dealt with from lab techs, engineers, middle management and
occasionally to top management were all very satisfied and felt fully
employed for their different backgrounds, educational levels and
experience. There was pride in the company and there was a team
atmosphere. The few companies that I sensed disgruntled employees
where the ones most closely linked to the government via federal
(military) contracts and in those with strong unions.

The worst (union wise) was McDonnell Douglas, Federal Systems
Division in St. Louis. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how
that division got anything done.

That seems a bit strange, huh? In my world, companies with big
federal contracts and who were unionized had the worst moral and the
most bitching and complaining.

Eisboch

Yeah, it's like when I worked in the Teamsters Union.. Back in the early
80's it made me sick to hear forklift operators and floor sweepers
crying about their lot... Working a clean 40 a week for over $20 bucks
an hour, vacations, full benefits package, retirement gold etc...
Remember these were guys doing a job trained monkeys could do, not the
highly skilled workers WAFA always seems to cater to.

Oh Harry, don't bother responding, I won't see it anyway.. Hopefully
nobody (not filtered) will regurgitate it.. snerk

Wait a minute...you're a trained monkey and you couldn't hold down a job
there, right? Right.

Trickle down liberalism

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:36:57 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWait wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:03:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I'll stick my nose in. I think by "investing" Frogwatch was
referring
to
the entrepreneurial spirit of creating, building and hopefully
succeeding
as
a business.

What about bringing in some Mexicans to do that?
Might work.
They do pretty well with food service, construction, lawn care, etc.
Hustlers.
They can bring in some Indians, Chinamen and Ruskies for the
engineering parts.
Good engineers, don't want much pay, and don't whine all the time.
Hell, I ran a crew at the last big business I worked for.
The policy was to toss Iraq vet resumes in the garbage, and hire
foreigners. Fortune 100, doing domestic business only.
If Froggy gets hungry enough they might hire him on too.
You surely don't think America has a lock on entrepreneurs?

--Vic

I don't think I said or implied that.
Have another beer.

Nah, pretty much no more than one a day anymore.
Whether you directly implied it or not, it has been implied
here that there is a "special class" of Americans that everybody
depends on, and deserve special favors.
Sorry, America is a team.
Much of big business doesn't see it that way.
If the team falls apart, the coaches are out of a job too.
If you think foreign workers are fine, then so are foreign coaches.
That's just how it works, IMO.
Sorry for my patriotism. I know it offends some.
And I'm not criticizing any of your business practices, but your
defense of big business without much qualification about how
globalistic practice damages America.
Here's a capitalist that seems to have his head screwed on straight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...busine ssNews

We all know that business is the engine of the economy.
But the coach needs the team as much as the reverse.
The question is how business and America will work as a team.
We will remain a free market, but as I suggested in another post,
unless business satisfies the people, it will be molded to their will.
That will all work itself out naturally.
Ain't it great?

--Vic

I may be talking out of my hat because I've never worked for a "big
business".
However, I have quite a bit of experience interfacing with many who do.
Most were technical or engineering based companies, so maybe there is
a fault in my opinion, but with very few exceptions, everyone I've
dealt with from lab techs, engineers, middle management and
occasionally to top management were all very satisfied and felt fully
employed for their different backgrounds, educational levels and
experience. There was pride in the company and there was a team
atmosphere. The few companies that I sensed disgruntled employees
where the ones most closely linked to the government via federal
(military) contracts and in those with strong unions.

The worst (union wise) was McDonnell Douglas, Federal Systems
Division in St. Louis. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how
that division got anything done.

That seems a bit strange, huh? In my world, companies with big
federal contracts and who were unionized had the worst moral and the
most bitching and complaining.

Eisboch

Yeah, it's like when I worked in the Teamsters Union.. Back in the early
80's it made me sick to hear forklift operators and floor sweepers
crying about their lot... Working a clean 40 a week for over $20 bucks
an hour, vacations, full benefits package, retirement gold etc...
Remember these were guys doing a job trained monkeys could do, not the
highly skilled workers WAFA always seems to cater to.

Oh Harry, don't bother responding, I won't see it anyway.. Hopefully
nobody (not filtered) will regurgitate it.. snerk

Wait a minute...you're a trained monkey and you couldn't hold down a job
there, right? Right.

I expect he flunked out of an apprenticeship.

Trickle down liberalism

jps wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:36:57 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWait wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:03:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I'll stick my nose in. I think by "investing" Frogwatch was
referring
to
the entrepreneurial spirit of creating, building and hopefully
succeeding
as
a business.

What about bringing in some Mexicans to do that?
Might work.
They do pretty well with food service, construction, lawn care, etc.
Hustlers.
They can bring in some Indians, Chinamen and Ruskies for the
engineering parts.
Good engineers, don't want much pay, and don't whine all the time.
Hell, I ran a crew at the last big business I worked for.
The policy was to toss Iraq vet resumes in the garbage, and hire
foreigners. Fortune 100, doing domestic business only.
If Froggy gets hungry enough they might hire him on too.
You surely don't think America has a lock on entrepreneurs?

--Vic

I don't think I said or implied that.
Have another beer.

Nah, pretty much no more than one a day anymore.
Whether you directly implied it or not, it has been implied
here that there is a "special class" of Americans that everybody
depends on, and deserve special favors.
Sorry, America is a team.
Much of big business doesn't see it that way.
If the team falls apart, the coaches are out of a job too.
If you think foreign workers are fine, then so are foreign coaches.
That's just how it works, IMO.
Sorry for my patriotism. I know it offends some.
And I'm not criticizing any of your business practices, but your
defense of big business without much qualification about how
globalistic practice damages America.
Here's a capitalist that seems to have his head screwed on straight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...busine ssNews

We all know that business is the engine of the economy.
But the coach needs the team as much as the reverse.
The question is how business and America will work as a team.
We will remain a free market, but as I suggested in another post,
unless business satisfies the people, it will be molded to their will.
That will all work itself out naturally.
Ain't it great?

--Vic

I may be talking out of my hat because I've never worked for a "big
business".
However, I have quite a bit of experience interfacing with many who do.
Most were technical or engineering based companies, so maybe there is
a fault in my opinion, but with very few exceptions, everyone I've
dealt with from lab techs, engineers, middle management and
occasionally to top management were all very satisfied and felt fully
employed for their different backgrounds, educational levels and
experience. There was pride in the company and there was a team
atmosphere. The few companies that I sensed disgruntled employees
where the ones most closely linked to the government via federal
(military) contracts and in those with strong unions.

The worst (union wise) was McDonnell Douglas, Federal Systems
Division in St. Louis. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how
that division got anything done.

That seems a bit strange, huh? In my world, companies with big
federal contracts and who were unionized had the worst moral and the
most bitching and complaining.

Eisboch

Yeah, it's like when I worked in the Teamsters Union.. Back in the early
80's it made me sick to hear forklift operators and floor sweepers
crying about their lot... Working a clean 40 a week for over $20 bucks
an hour, vacations, full benefits package, retirement gold etc...
Remember these were guys doing a job trained monkeys could do, not the
highly skilled workers WAFA always seems to cater to.

Oh Harry, don't bother responding, I won't see it anyway.. Hopefully
nobody (not filtered) will regurgitate it.. snerk
Wait a minute...you're a trained monkey and you couldn't hold down a job
there, right? Right.

I expect he flunked out of an apprenticeship.

You want to know something really funny? As I stated previously, most of
my summer jobs while I went to college were "arranged" by my father with
his buddies in the labor movement. One summer right after high school,
I got a job as a "helper" through the Teamsters Union at the Shick Razor
Company in Milford. Dunno if it is still there. Anyway, I spent half the
summer helping drivers load their 40' trucks with boxes of merch, and
then one of the teamsters took my under his wing and taught me how to
*safely* drive a forklift in the plant and onto the loading dock. It was
a damned good job, and I really appreciated it. It was my second summer
job while I was at college. My first was as a helper at Bigelow Boiler
in New Haven, cleaning out older boilers brought in for refurbishing. My
final year with a "union" summer job was back to the loading dock at the
Hull's Export Beer company in New Haven. Another teamsters' job. Great
work, all of them, and terrific guys with whom to work.
None of them were anything like justhate. *He* would have had an
"accident" after the first two weeks.

Trickle down liberalism

HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:36:57 -0400, HK wrote:

JustWait wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:03:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I'll stick my nose in. I think by "investing" Frogwatch was
referring
to
the entrepreneurial spirit of creating, building and hopefully
succeeding
as
a business.

What about bringing in some Mexicans to do that?
Might work.
They do pretty well with food service, construction, lawn care,
etc.
Hustlers.
They can bring in some Indians, Chinamen and Ruskies for the
engineering parts.
Good engineers, don't want much pay, and don't whine all the time.
Hell, I ran a crew at the last big business I worked for.
The policy was to toss Iraq vet resumes in the garbage, and hire
foreigners. Fortune 100, doing domestic business only.
If Froggy gets hungry enough they might hire him on too.
You surely don't think America has a lock on entrepreneurs?

--Vic

I don't think I said or implied that.
Have another beer.

Nah, pretty much no more than one a day anymore.
Whether you directly implied it or not, it has been implied
here that there is a "special class" of Americans that everybody
depends on, and deserve special favors.
Sorry, America is a team.
Much of big business doesn't see it that way.
If the team falls apart, the coaches are out of a job too.
If you think foreign workers are fine, then so are foreign coaches.
That's just how it works, IMO.
Sorry for my patriotism. I know it offends some.
And I'm not criticizing any of your business practices, but your
defense of big business without much qualification about how
globalistic practice damages America.
Here's a capitalist that seems to have his head screwed on straight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...busine ssNews

We all know that business is the engine of the economy.
But the coach needs the team as much as the reverse.
The question is how business and America will work as a team.
We will remain a free market, but as I suggested in another post,
unless business satisfies the people, it will be molded to their
will.
That will all work itself out naturally.
Ain't it great?

--Vic

I may be talking out of my hat because I've never worked for a "big
business".
However, I have quite a bit of experience interfacing with many who
do.
Most were technical or engineering based companies, so maybe there
is a fault in my opinion, but with very few exceptions, everyone
I've dealt with from lab techs, engineers, middle management and
occasionally to top management were all very satisfied and felt
fully employed for their different backgrounds, educational levels
and experience. There was pride in the company and there was a
team atmosphere. The few companies that I sensed disgruntled
employees where the ones most closely linked to the government via
federal (military) contracts and in those with strong unions.

The worst (union wise) was McDonnell Douglas, Federal Systems
Division in St. Louis. I cannot, for the life of me, understand
how that division got anything done.

That seems a bit strange, huh? In my world, companies with big
federal contracts and who were unionized had the worst moral and
the most bitching and complaining.

Eisboch

Yeah, it's like when I worked in the Teamsters Union.. Back in the
early 80's it made me sick to hear forklift operators and floor
sweepers crying about their lot... Working a clean 40 a week for
over $20 bucks an hour, vacations, full benefits package, retirement
gold etc... Remember these were guys doing a job trained monkeys
could do, not the highly skilled workers WAFA always seems to cater to.

Oh Harry, don't bother responding, I won't see it anyway.. Hopefully
nobody (not filtered) will regurgitate it.. snerk
Wait a minute...you're a trained monkey and you couldn't hold down a
job there, right? Right.

I expect he flunked out of an apprenticeship.

You want to know something really funny? As I stated previously, most of
my summer jobs while I went to college were "arranged" by my father with
his buddies in the labor movement. One summer right after high school, I
got a job as a "helper" through the Teamsters Union at the Shick Razor
Company in Milford. Dunno if it is still there. Anyway, I spent half the
summer helping drivers load their 40' trucks with boxes of merch, and
then one of the teamsters took my under his wing and taught me how to
*safely* drive a forklift in the plant and onto the loading dock. It was
a damned good job, and I really appreciated it. It was my second summer
job while I was at college. My first was as a helper at Bigelow Boiler
in New Haven, cleaning out older boilers brought in for refurbishing. My
final year with a "union" summer job was back to the loading dock at the
Hull's Export Beer company in New Haven. Another teamsters' job. Great
work, all of them, and terrific guys with whom to work.
None of them were anything like justhate. *He* would have had an
"accident" after the first two weeks.

More "my father" bull****. His alleged children must be thrilled.