Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

It seems that when in S. Fl last year I saw groups of "Blue-water
Battle wagons" lined up to take charter fisherman out to grab
swordfish or whatever,and it seemed that the most popular boat I saw
were mostly Cape Hatteras. Oh, several ChrisCrafts and various other
names but mostly Hat's, especially in the 55-65+ foot range.

Just from gawking around I know that a Hatteras is a very expensive
boat, and usually hold their resale higher than competitive names in
the same age and class regardless of the economy.

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Just curious.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

The firstest and bestest with a distinctive design (Carolina bow flare
and a very slight tumble home at the stern) built of the finest
materials by real craftsmen. They were built for the tough waters of
North Carolina and developed a reputation for being a great fishing
machine, smooth riding and very stable boats.

They used to make smaller versions, but now they start at 55 foot I
think - their first boat was a 41 footer.

Always wanted one - never owned one.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Jun 24, 7:16*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

The firstest and bestest with a distinctive design (Carolina bow flare
and a very slight tumble home at the stern) built of the finest
materials by real craftsmen. *They were built for the tough waters of
North Carolina and developed a reputation for being a great fishing
machine, smooth riding and very stable boats.

They used to make smaller versions, but now they start at 55 foot I
think - their first boat was a 41 footer.

Always wanted one - never owned one.

COOL!

And thanks guys.

Now I suppose something lse I was thinking of was that I wonder why
nobody really tried to push for their market.

"Lincoln v. Caddie" type idea.

Or did somebody try to topple them but decided that the money was
actually in the masses?

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

It seems that when in S. Fl last year I saw groups of "Blue-water
Battle wagons" lined up to take charter fisherman out to grab
swordfish or whatever,and it seemed that the most popular boat I saw
were mostly Cape Hatteras. Oh, several ChrisCrafts and various other
names but mostly Hat's, especially in the 55-65+ foot range.

Just from gawking around I know that a Hatteras is a very expensive
boat, and usually hold their resale higher than competitive names in
the same age and class regardless of the economy.

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Just curious.

You mean besides the fact that Harry owned one? According to Harry,
IIRC, they don't depreciate.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. :-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/03/opinion/l-boat-luxury-tax-drives-an-industry-aground-926091.html

North Carolina still has a lot of specialty builders making very good
boats but they are mostly custom or semi-custom.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=north+carolina+custom+boat+builders &meta=&aq=f&oq=

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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:00:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. :-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

The Ted Kennedy Tax - killed most of RI's builders too.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:20:55 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:00:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. :-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

The Ted Kennedy Tax - killed most of RI's builders too.

Good old Ted, should have stuck to driving around Chapaquidick at
night.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Jun 24, 9:00*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. * *:-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. * It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

Bad deal in more than just boats, but that's another story I suppose.


I see from the Brunswick website that Hatteras got sucked into their
lair about 2001, so evidently the 90's was cruel to them...

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Jun 24, 7:16*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

The firstest and bestest with a distinctive design (Carolina bow flare
and a very slight tumble home at the stern) built of the finest
materials by real craftsmen. *They were built for the tough waters of
North Carolina and developed a reputation for being a great fishing
machine, smooth riding and very stable boats.

They used to make smaller versions, but now they start at 55 foot I
think - their first boat was a 41 footer.

Always wanted one - never owned one.

When I saw a Hat for the first time that was the obvious part I
noticed was the "Carolina bow flare" and that laid back "Eldorado
Caddie" look. I thought it was a beautiful design. Not only
aesthetically smart, but just as functional too.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:20:55 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:00:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. :-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

The Ted Kennedy Tax - killed most of RI's builders too.

According to this it was Bush 1 and Dan Rostenkowski.
You can buy the DVD.
Think they got Rostenkowski later on for stealing postage stamps.
Massively lowered the cap gains tax at the same time.
According to this.
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3482
But everybody can write their own history.
Even burn it on a DVD.
Ain't technology wonderful?!

--Vic

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:40:15 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:20:55 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:00:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

OK, so-- what makes a Hatteras so special?

Good design, good engineering, good construction, nicely finished.
Other than that, nothing special. :-)

Hatteras and Bertram both fell victim to the ill advised 10% boat
luxury tax of 1990. It drove construction overseas for a while and
mass produced, high quality boat building in this country never fully
recovered.

The Ted Kennedy Tax - killed most of RI's builders too.

According to this it was Bush 1 and Dan Rostenkowski.
You can buy the DVD.
Think they got Rostenkowski later on for stealing postage stamps.
Massively lowered the cap gains tax at the same time.
According to this.
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...px?NewsID=3482
But everybody can write their own history.
Even burn it on a DVD.
Ain't technology wonderful?!

Sure is.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1041...976794664.html

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...YyZTM4YjQ0YWI=

It's still called the Ted Kennedy tax to this day.

Bush I didn't have much choice in the matter.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:09:16 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1041...976794664.html

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...YyZTM4YjQ0YWI=

It's still called the Ted Kennedy tax to this day.

Bush I didn't have much choice in the matter.

And so begins another saga of the great 21th Century battles fought,
tooth and nail, mano a mano, hammer and tong, bayonets mounted,
but blows not struck with metal or sharpened wood point, nor the
concussions of explosions or the piercing of blades, but combat joined
nevertheless with the 21st Century weapon of choice,
THE CITE!!!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/14/us...pagewanted=all

"Representative Dan Rostenkowski, the Illinois Democrat who is
chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. His proposal has galvanized
Democrats like no other legislation in years."

Maybe he galvanized Kennedy out of a hangover.
Out East I guess Kennedy is a good target.
Here we had Dan and now we have Blago, and some say Obama.
Had a good friend who went to Rostenkowski for some immigration help.
Her cousin had been in Zimbabwe doing electric tower work when the
Solidarity uprisings happened in Poland. He flew into Chicago, and
wanted a green card for "persecution" reasons or something like that.
Dan came through.
I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!

--Vic

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!

But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!

But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?

Yeah, and something about old office furniture too.
Gimme a break.
Railroaded, just like they're trying to do to Blago.

--Vic

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:03:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!

But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?

Yeah, and something about old office furniture too.
Gimme a break.
Railroaded, just like they're trying to do to Blago.

I was just reading up on him.

Guess who got him?

Eric Holder.

Now that's interesting.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:06:56 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:03:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!

But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?

Yeah, and something about old office furniture too.
Gimme a break.
Railroaded, just like they're trying to do to Blago.

I was just reading up on him.

Guess who got him?

Eric Holder.

Now that's interesting.

Golly wllikers. Dem on Dem. Guess it is a country of laws after all.

Will you scream and shout "PARTISANSHIP" when he goes after Bush or
Cheney?

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:03:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!
But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?
Yeah, and something about old office furniture too.
Gimme a break.
Railroaded, just like they're trying to do to Blago.

I was just reading up on him.

Guess who got him?

Eric Holder.

Now that's interesting.

The new machine clearing out the old machine.

Hatteras, King of Sport fishers?
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:18:18 -0400, BAR wrote:

Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:03:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:11 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:37:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't doubt that you call the luxury tax the Ted Kennedy Tax..
But this stage of the saga, your words are empty.
I have thrown my cite and it has pierced your heart.
The battle is won.
LONG LIVE THE CITE!!!!
ON TO OTHER BATTLES!!!
But, but, but...

YOU LOST!!!! :)

Wasn't Rostenkowski the guy who was convicted of election fraud -
something about abusing franking priviledge or some other scam?
Yeah, and something about old office furniture too.
Gimme a break.
Railroaded, just like they're trying to do to Blago.

I was just reading up on him.

Guess who got him?

Eric Holder.

Now that's interesting.

The new machine clearing out the old machine.

Yeah, that must be it! Couldn't be the law...