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Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... I can't stand that Air America and MSNBC is paying him any mind. I had to turn it off. Listening to him makes me ill and it's a tremendous waste of time and energy. It's time to ignore him so we can focus on what needs to be accomplished. That's about the most intelligent statement you have made in a long time. Most moderate conservatives have know that for years. It's encouraging to see some of you liberals catching up. Eisboch Moderate conservatives? You mean the ones who only *listen* to Rush, Sean, O'Reilly & Beck and nod their heads in approval, instead of rushing out to kill doctors, blow up clinics, and make idiotic comments about judge nominees? Give me a break. In other words, unless I subscribe to the liberal thinking of you and jps, I am automatically "one of them". Talk about shallow, narrow minds. I know that both of you are smarter than that. Both of you should throw away your talking point notes and start speaking for yourselves, using your own brains. Eisboch I have pretty much figured that Harry is not that smart, or is on the verge of commitment. jps is so far to the left, he thinks all that are only a little to the left are far right extremists. However smart I am, Crazypants Bill, I am smarter than you are. After all, I never ever admired Zell Miller. |
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:55:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:25:56 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I know you claim to be a D but I don't expect you've gone to any precinct meeting recently. You haven't a clue what left is anymore. I have not been to precinct meetings for any party. And the D's as now constituted are not the D's of my generation. Fact is the D's and Republicans are not the parties of my generation or my parents generation. And if neither changes to the middle, both may be the Whigs of this century. People are getting ****ed about the absolute corruption of both parties. The handing of the country to Wall Street is one prime example. The overspending of both parties. I went to Glen Canyon dam last week in my travels. Started in 1950's by Ike. Finished in 1964. One of the biggest users of concrete in dam construction. Required building roads and a bridge over the Colorado river to even construct the dam. $310,000,000 to build. That amount does not even build a 3 mile section of mass transit train track these days. The huge inflation over the last 40 years and the massive inflation facing the country due to the "Stimulus" spending. Sorry Bill, that's a serious load of crap. Construction spending has been going through the roof for 10 years or more. Has nothing whatsoever to do with stimulus. People are both ****ed and scared. The only way the Dem's may stay in power is a huge amnesty program for illegal's and giving lots of benefits to the lower economic class all out of proportion to their needs. Are you listening to Michael Savage? I find this hilarious since the R's have been using the underachieving underclass for years to keep them in office with drivel about personal responsibility, abortion, gay rights, etc. A little political division done by the D's shouldn't upset you so much. At a birthday party last night, a younger lady got really upset about Obama and his policies. She has lost a business due to the economic climate, and is worried that she will lose her home. And that relates to Obama how? Sheesh. And then the Obama Government will give loans to those formally illegal people to buy a house, most likely her's for 1/3 the price she paid. Is this more from Savage or some other delusional fruitcake? People who can not afford the house at even that price and there will be programs to prevent their foreclosure. Where are the foreclosures on those renegotiated loans to Acorn people? Oy, you've just gone off the deep end. Acorn. 80% of the renegotiated loans are in default again within 3 months. The taxpayers are screwed. They may not have enough votes to stop a massive give away of their tax money to keep the present rulers in power. Then where are we as a country? Mexico North? Growing Bannanas maybe. How are renegotiated loans affected us as taxpayers, unless we're the ones renegotating? Did you go on road trip and listen only to AM radio? Actually listened to very little radio on the trip. Most areas do not have radio. And you seem to also have a reading comprehension problem. I said the inflation facing us from the "Stimulus" package. Maybe you need to listen to more than Air America. Oh, AM radio signal are very good at bouncing around the atmosphere so getting Rush in any part of the country is pretty easy. I actually tune in all sort of news, even entertainment stations like Fox. It makes me sick but I listen to it because I like to try to undertand the idiots in our society. |
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On Jun 7, 10:48*pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... I can't stand that Air America and MSNBC is paying him any mind. I had to turn it off. *Listening to him makes me ill and it's a tremendous waste of time and energy. *It's time to ignore him so we can focus on what needs to be accomplished. That's about the most intelligent statement you have made in a long time. Most moderate conservatives have know that for years. *It's encouraging to see some of you liberals catching up. Eisboch Moderate conservatives? You mean the ones who only *listen* to Rush, Sean, O'Reilly & Beck and nod their heads in approval, instead of rushing out to kill doctors, blow up clinics, and make idiotic comments about judge nominees? Give me a break. * In other words, unless I subscribe to the liberal thinking of you and jps, I am automatically "one of them". * * Talk about shallow, narrow minds. I know that both of you are smarter than that. * Both of you should throw away your talking point notes and start speaking for yourselves, using your own brains. Eisboch I have pretty much figured that Harry is not that smart, or is on the verge of commitment. *jps is so far to the left, he thinks all that are only a little to the left are far right extremists. However smart I am, Crazypants Bill, I am smarter than you are. After all, I never ever admired Zell Miller.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then why do you lie about your education? |
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On Jun 6, 4:47*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:01:55 -0400, HK wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:54:47 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:29:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Give me a break. * In other words, unless I subscribe to the liberal thinking of you and jps, I am automatically "one of them". * * Talk about shallow, narrow minds. Psst - there's a name for guys like Jon and Harry. big·ot – noun - a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. MIRROR PLEASE! *I must have missed your single pleasant utterance about our current CIC. You've done nothing but post carping bull****. I know that both of you are smarter than that. There's your first mistake. Not very funny. Both of you should throw away your talking point notes and start speaking for yourselves, using your own brains. Here's another word for you. prej·u·diced – noun - an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason - any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable - unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group. You've done much to earn it. *Narrow defines your politics best of all. When you think about it - it's pretty much "hate speech". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech Funny how all this works huh? Not at all funny. *Look at who's leading the "conservative" movement. |
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On Jun 8, 1:55*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:25:56 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I know you claim to be a D but I don't expect you've gone to any precinct meeting recently. *You haven't a clue what left is anymore.. I have not been to precinct meetings for any party. *And the D's as now constituted are not the D's of my generation. *Fact is the D's and Republicans are not the parties of my generation or my parents generation. And if neither changes to the middle, both may be the Whigs of this century. People are getting ****ed about the absolute corruption of both parties.. The handing of the country to Wall Street is one prime example. *The overspending of both parties. *I went to Glen Canyon dam last week in my travels. *Started in 1950's by Ike. *Finished in 1964. *One of the biggest users of concrete in dam construction. *Required building roads and a bridge over the Colorado river to even construct the dam. *$310,000,000 to build. That amount does not even build a 3 mile section of mass transit train track these days. *The huge inflation over the last 40 years and the massive inflation facing the country due to the "Stimulus" spending. Sorry Bill, that's a serious load of crap. *Construction spending has been going through the roof for 10 years or more. *Has nothing whatsoever to do with stimulus. People are both ****ed and scared. *The only way the Dem's may stay in power is a huge amnesty program for illegal's and giving lots of benefits to the lower economic class all out of proportion to their needs. Are you listening to Michael Savage? *I find this hilarious since the R's have been using the underachieving underclass for years to keep them in office with drivel about personal responsibility, abortion, gay rights, etc. A little political division done by the D's shouldn't upset you so much. *At a birthday party last night, a younger lady got really upset about Obama and his policies. She has lost a business due to the economic climate, and is worried that she will lose her home. And that relates to Obama how? * Sheesh. *And then the Obama Government will give loans to those formally illegal people to buy a house, most likely her's for 1/3 the price she paid. Is this more from Savage or some other delusional fruitcake? *People who can not afford the house at even that price and there will be programs to prevent their foreclosure. *Where are the foreclosures on those renegotiated loans to Acorn people? Oy, you've just gone off the deep end. *Acorn. 80% of the renegotiated loans are in default again within 3 months. *The taxpayers are screwed. *They may not have enough votes to stop a massive give away of their tax money to keep the present rulers in power. *Then where are we as a country? *Mexico North? Growing Bannanas maybe. How are renegotiated loans affected us as taxpayers, unless we're the ones renegotating? Did you go on road trip and listen only to AM radio? Actually listened to very little radio on the trip. *Most areas do not have radio. *And you seem to also have a reading comprehension problem. *I said the inflation facing us from the "Stimulus" package. *Maybe you need to listen to more than Air America.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously ACORN isn't being mentioned in the New York Lies or the Daily Kos... Too much time being spent on hate and intolerance there for any facts or real news.... snerk |
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On Jun 8, 2:55*am, jps wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:55:11 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:25:56 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I know you claim to be a D but I don't expect you've gone to any precinct meeting recently. *You haven't a clue what left is anymore. I have not been to precinct meetings for any party. *And the D's as now constituted are not the D's of my generation. *Fact is the D's and Republicans are not the parties of my generation or my parents generation. And if neither changes to the middle, both may be the Whigs of this century. People are getting ****ed about the absolute corruption of both parties. The handing of the country to Wall Street is one prime example. *The overspending of both parties. *I went to Glen Canyon dam last week in my travels. *Started in 1950's by Ike. *Finished in 1964. *One of the biggest users of concrete in dam construction. *Required building roads and a bridge over the Colorado river to even construct the dam. *$310,000,000 to build. That amount does not even build a 3 mile section of mass transit train track these days. *The huge inflation over the last 40 years and the massive inflation facing the country due to the "Stimulus" spending. Sorry Bill, that's a serious load of crap. *Construction spending has been going through the roof for 10 years or more. *Has nothing whatsoever to do with stimulus. People are both ****ed and scared. *The only way the Dem's may stay in power is a huge amnesty program for illegal's and giving lots of benefits to the lower economic class all out of proportion to their needs. Are you listening to Michael Savage? *I find this hilarious since the R's have been using the underachieving underclass for years to keep them in office with drivel about personal responsibility, abortion, gay rights, etc. A little political division done by the D's shouldn't upset you so much. *At a birthday party last night, a younger lady got really upset about Obama and his policies. She has lost a business due to the economic climate, and is worried that she will lose her home. And that relates to Obama how? * Sheesh. *And then the Obama Government will give loans to those formally illegal people to buy a house, most likely her's for 1/3 the price she paid. Is this more from Savage or some other delusional fruitcake? *People who can not afford the house at even that price and there will be programs to prevent their foreclosure. *Where are the foreclosures on those renegotiated loans to Acorn people? Oy, you've just gone off the deep end. *Acorn. 80% of the renegotiated loans are in default again within 3 months. *The taxpayers are screwed. *They may not have enough votes to stop a massive give away of their tax money to keep the present rulers in power. *Then where are we as a country? *Mexico North? Growing Bannanas maybe. How are renegotiated loans affected us as taxpayers, unless we're the ones renegotating? Did you go on road trip and listen only to AM radio? Actually listened to very little radio on the trip. *Most areas do not have radio. *And you seem to also have a reading comprehension problem. *I said the inflation facing us from the "Stimulus" package. *Maybe you need to listen to more than Air America. Oh, AM radio signal are very good at *bouncing around the atmosphere so getting Rush in any part of the country is pretty easy. I actually tune in all sort of news, even entertainment stations like Fox. *It makes me sick but I listen to it because I like to try to undertand the idiots in our society.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bull****, you don't listen to anything that goes against your fantasy and ideology... That's why you don't know **** about ACORN.. Liar... How about some American/German, screwdrivers....? |
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On Jun 8, 9:42*am, HK wrote:
wrote: Bull****, you don't listen to anything that goes against your fantasy and ideology... That's why you don't know **** about ACORN.. Liar... How about some American/German, screwdrivers....? You know, you've already convinced anyone with sense here that you are an uneducated, ignorant child endangerer. You don't have to work at it every day. snerk Only in your retarded little mind. By the way dropout boy, you should have used your spell checker for your post.... Dolt... |
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Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch Yes, indeed, and the commercial cutters will slice through longer, wetter grass, too, thanks to that tip speed, and also resist bogging down. |
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On Jun 8, 10:05*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. *The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. *Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch Yes, indeed, and the commercial cutters will slice through longer, wetter grass, too, thanks to that tip speed, and also resist bogging down.. Hoooboy! Now Harry is a lawn mower/lawn mowing expert! |
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Eisboch wrote:
Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch And, with the proper blades, you should be able to get airborne. |
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HK wrote:
Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson |
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:07:41 -0400, Johnson
wrote: HK wrote: Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson "Johnson" is from someplace else. Maybe from a northenr european country. He has specific knowledge of lawn equipment and models available in foreign markets. He hates his home country because they're all liberals. That's why he moved to the states but he's sad because he's a conservative and can't vote. And, his Johnson is bigger than your Johnson. |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:07:41 -0400, Johnson wrote: HK wrote: Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson "Johnson" is from someplace else. Maybe from a northenr european country. He has specific knowledge of lawn equipment and models available in foreign markets. He hates his home country because they're all liberals. That's why he moved to the states but he's sad because he's a conservative and can't vote. And, his Johnson is bigger than your Johnson. He's just another of this newsgroup's right-wing palmetto bugs. All you have to do to get rid of 'em is use your filters to swat 'em into the bozo bin. I might not have the right "common name" there...the Floridians I lived among for more than five years referred to bugs that looked like flying cockroaches as Palmetto bugs. They were harmless and made an interesting crunch when you stepped on them. Just like the right-wing nutcases here. |
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:21:33 -0400, DK wrote:
wrote: The tractor you showed a picture of wasn't yours The tractor you showed a picture of isn't sold in the U.S. The tractor you showed a picture of doesn't say anything about three blades. And how about a picture of that "5.5 quart" jug of Valvoline? Not sold in the US? Interesting new lie from WAFA! Tractor officianados! A chorus of jackasses braying like idiots. Can't stand it when proven wrong, just like Limpballs, spiritual and titualar (DD) leader of the "Conservative" movement (as in turd). They're always going to find another reason to cast doubt Harry. WMD Imminent threat Terrorist link Liberation Despotic tyrant Democracy Let them wallow and thrash around in their pigheaded stupidity. Tell them you worked on your mower with German screwdrivers, it'll drive 'em nuts! |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:21:33 -0400, DK wrote: wrote: The tractor you showed a picture of wasn't yours The tractor you showed a picture of isn't sold in the U.S. The tractor you showed a picture of doesn't say anything about three blades. And how about a picture of that "5.5 quart" jug of Valvoline? Not sold in the US? Interesting new lie from WAFA! Tractor officianados! A chorus of jackasses braying like idiots. Can't stand it when proven wrong, just like Limpballs, spiritual and titualar (DD) leader of the "Conservative" movement (as in turd). They're always going to find another reason to cast doubt Harry. WMD Imminent threat Terrorist link Liberation Despotic tyrant Democracy Let them wallow and thrash around in their pigheaded stupidity. Tell them you worked on your mower with German screwdrivers, it'll drive 'em nuts! There you go...German screwdrivers and of course all the fittings are whitworth (how long will it take for loogy to bite on that?) These assholes are almost all right-wingers. Poking them has become a national sport. |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:07:41 -0400, Johnson wrote: HK wrote: Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson "Johnson" is from someplace else. Maybe from a northenr european country. He has specific knowledge of lawn equipment and models available in foreign markets. He hates his home country because they're all liberals. That's why he moved to the states but he's sad because he's a conservative and can't vote. And, his Johnson is bigger than your Johnson. Ah, still smarting from your smackdown I see. Johnson. |
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:37:15 -0400, Johnson
wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:07:41 -0400, Johnson wrote: HK wrote: Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson "Johnson" is from someplace else. Maybe from a northenr european country. He has specific knowledge of lawn equipment and models available in foreign markets. He hates his home country because they're all liberals. That's why he moved to the states but he's sad because he's a conservative and can't vote. And, his Johnson is bigger than your Johnson. Ah, still smarting from your smackdown I see. Johnson. I must've missed that. You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? |
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jps wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:37:15 -0400, Johnson wrote: jps wrote: On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:07:41 -0400, Johnson wrote: HK wrote: Only yesterday he claimed the model Husqie garden tractor I have doesn't exist Today, I still would postulate that the Husqie garden tractor you claim to have doesn't exist. Johnson "Johnson" is from someplace else. Maybe from a northenr european country. He has specific knowledge of lawn equipment and models available in foreign markets. He hates his home country because they're all liberals. That's why he moved to the states but he's sad because he's a conservative and can't vote. And, his Johnson is bigger than your Johnson. Ah, still smarting from your smackdown I see. Johnson. I must've missed that. You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? You gotta love retardos like "Johnson" for their chutzpah and stupidity, their ability to delude themselves into thinking they've won an argument, and, finally, their penchant for congratulating themselves. Reminds me of JustHate, Loogy, FloridaJim. -- The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a gang of moral nihilists. |
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HK wrote:
You gotta love retardos like "Johnson" for their chutzpah and stupidity, their ability to delude themselves into thinking they've won an argument, and, finally, their penchant for congratulating themselves. Reminds me of JustHate, Loogy, FloridaJim. Actually, it rather reminds me of yourself. Johnson |
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jps wrote:
You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? Ah, still deluded as ever I see. Johnson |
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Eisboch wrote:
Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch Just curious where you heard this. I checked today with with my lawn mower repair shop, a place with some old grease monkeys who've been around awhile. They said it's not true. Said it was an internet rumor. Johnson |
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On Jun 9, 7:24*pm, Johnson wrote:
Eisboch wrote: Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. *The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. *Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch Just curious where you heard this. I checked today with with my lawn mower repair shop, a place with some old grease monkeys who've been around awhile. They said it's not true. Said it was an internet rumor. Johnson Harry's mower is special, he has special permission to own a machine that is not constrained by silly safety rules every one else needs to deal with... It was built for him personally by NASA with the oversight of the Husky Corp top R+D guy himself... They gave it to him free, because he is such a great guy... Just ask him;) |
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:18:22 -0400, Johnson
wrote: jps wrote: You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? Ah, still deluded as ever I see. Johnson Ah, still obfuscating I see. Can you vote in US elections? |
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jps wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:18:22 -0400, Johnson wrote: jps wrote: You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? Ah, still deluded as ever I see. Johnson Ah, still obfuscating I see. Can you vote in US elections? If I said yes, you'd still chant the same mantra. Carry on. Johnson |
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"Johnson" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Something I found out about commercial rated versus residential types. A few years back I bought a Scag commercial mower. The difference is the blade tip speed. Residential type mowers are restricted by federal regulations to some maximum tip speed at full throttle. Commercial types are not, and the tip speed of the blade is typically much higher. Makes for better cuts and smaller mulch. Eisboch Just curious where you heard this. I checked today with with my lawn mower repair shop, a place with some old grease monkeys who've been around awhile. They said it's not true. Said it was an internet rumor. Johnson Scag dealer and also confirmed by our landscaper who obviously only buys commercial equipment. He's the one who recommended that I buy a commercial mower for the purpose I needed (mowing large horse paddocks). The residential tip speed limit is a federal regulation. I forget what it is exactly, but something like 1750 feet/min rings a bell. Eisboch |
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"Johnson" wrote in message ... Ummm, I was responding to Eisboch who made a statement about commercial mowers vs. residential mowers. While I am inclined to agree with you that in HK's world, everything he possesses is special, better, and more liberal than yours and mine, I truly am interested in whether commercial mowers spin their blades faster than residential ones. Johnson Despite your shade tree mechanics opinions, I can assure you that they do. I have a friend who has a similar designed residential rated mower. (these are the type that you operate like a Bobcat. Your sit on it and drive it with two levers that control hydraulic motors). His doesn't come close to the Scag. You can tell just by the sound and by how finely it chops up the clippings. Plus, I can go through foot high grass and the mower doesn't miss a beat. His would stall. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Johnson" wrote in message ... Ummm, I was responding to Eisboch who made a statement about commercial mowers vs. residential mowers. While I am inclined to agree with you that in HK's world, everything he possesses is special, better, and more liberal than yours and mine, I truly am interested in whether commercial mowers spin their blades faster than residential ones. Johnson Despite your shade tree mechanics opinions, I can assure you that they do. I have a friend who has a similar designed residential rated mower. (these are the type that you operate like a Bobcat. Your sit on it and drive it with two levers that control hydraulic motors). His doesn't come close to the Scag. You can tell just by the sound and by how finely it chops up the clippings. Plus, I can go through foot high grass and the mower doesn't miss a beat. His would stall. Eisboch You're conversing with a sock puppet. -- The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a gang of moral nihilists. |
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:52:04 -0400, Johnson
wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:18:22 -0400, Johnson wrote: jps wrote: You're referring to me figuring out that you can't vote in the US? Ah, still deluded as ever I see. Johnson Ah, still obfuscating I see. Can you vote in US elections? If I said yes, you'd still chant the same mantra. Carry on. Johnson Ah, still obfuscating I see. Can you vote in US elections? |
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Eisboch wrote:
Scag dealer and also confirmed by our landscaper who obviously only buys commercial equipment. He's the one who recommended that I buy a commercial mower for the purpose I needed (mowing large horse paddocks). The residential tip speed limit is a federal regulation. I forget what it is exactly, but something like 1750 feet/min rings a bell. I couldn't find anything specifically regulating residential mower blade tip speed, but did find that there is a federal regulation concerning all mowers at 19000 fpm top blade tip speed. Most commercial mowers appear to advertise at between 18000 and 19000. Shamelessly cut and pasted: --------------- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) ANSI standard B71.1, Walk-Behind Mowers and Ride-On Machines With Mowers - Safety Specifications, is the primary safety standard for homeowner riding mowers and small tractors. This standard requires the use of an operator presence control, a device that will stop the mower blades if the operator leaves the seat without disengaging the blade drive (PTO). This prevents an operator from being down on the ground around a mower while it is running. One of the most important features of this standard is a requirement that the blades must stop turning within 5 seconds when the PTO is disengaged or the operator leaves the seat. This requires an automatic brake on the blade drive. ANSI also requires that mowers be tested to strict performance standards for thrown objects. A seatback height of at least 4˝ inches is required to keep operators from falling backward. There are requirements on dynamic turn and sudden traction performance to improve machine stability. There are requirements for braking performance. There are also requirements on guarding and safety labeling. The blade tip speed is limited to 19,000 feet per minute. ---------------- That would seem to indicate that there is no specific lesser top blade tip speed for a residential mower. It still could be true, I suppose, that the manufacturers of residential mowers spin the blades slower, but that may not be necessarily true in all residential machines. Johnson. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Johnson" wrote in message ... Ummm, I was responding to Eisboch who made a statement about commercial mowers vs. residential mowers. While I am inclined to agree with you that in HK's world, everything he possesses is special, better, and more liberal than yours and mine, I truly am interested in whether commercial mowers spin their blades faster than residential ones. Johnson Despite your shade tree mechanics opinions, I can assure you that they do. I have a friend who has a similar designed residential rated mower. (these are the type that you operate like a Bobcat. Your sit on it and drive it with two levers that control hydraulic motors). His doesn't come close to the Scag. You can tell just by the sound and by how finely it chops up the clippings. Plus, I can go through foot high grass and the mower doesn't miss a beat. His would stall. Eisboch Thanks. This sockpuppet appreciates the advice. In my other post I noted that it would seem that residential mowers are not constrained to a lower blade tip speed. Perhaps the manufacturers build the residential ones with a lower tip speed. Also, my sense is that the commercial mowers are probably designed to cut better, and they do run near the maximum allowed tip speed. Johnson |
Speaking of tractors or lawnmowers
HK wrote:
You're conversing with a sock puppet. Hey, it's got to be better than conversing with an empty suit. Johnson |
Speaking of tractors or lawnmowers
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:22:40 -0400, Johnson
wrote: It still could be true, I suppose, that the manufacturers of residential mowers spin the blades slower, but that may not be necessarily true in all residential machines. I noticed the small Honda-powered Craftsman I have has one speed. Long time since I had a gas-powered, having used an electric, then a battery powered for my last 2 houses. But I recall older mowers had a throttle and you could rev them up in the high stuff. --Vic |
Speaking of tractors or lawnmowers
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:22:40 -0400, Johnson wrote: It still could be true, I suppose, that the manufacturers of residential mowers spin the blades slower, but that may not be necessarily true in all residential machines. I noticed the small Honda-powered Craftsman I have has one speed. Long time since I had a gas-powered, having used an electric, then a battery powered for my last 2 houses. But I recall older mowers had a throttle and you could rev them up in the high stuff. --Vic My two gasoline powered grass eaters have throttle controls, but...both owner manuals say to run them at wide open throttle when cutting grass. Both are about six years old... -- The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a gang of moral nihilists. |
Speaking of tractors or lawnmowers
"Johnson" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Scag dealer and also confirmed by our landscaper who obviously only buys commercial equipment. He's the one who recommended that I buy a commercial mower for the purpose I needed (mowing large horse paddocks). The residential tip speed limit is a federal regulation. I forget what it is exactly, but something like 1750 feet/min rings a bell. I couldn't find anything specifically regulating residential mower blade tip speed, but did find that there is a federal regulation concerning all mowers at 19000 fpm top blade tip speed. Most commercial mowers appear to advertise at between 18000 and 19000. Shamelessly cut and pasted: --------------- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) ANSI standard B71.1, Walk-Behind Mowers and Ride-On Machines With Mowers - Safety Specifications, is the primary safety standard for homeowner riding mowers and small tractors. This standard requires the use of an operator presence control, a device that will stop the mower blades if the operator leaves the seat without disengaging the blade drive (PTO). This prevents an operator from being down on the ground around a mower while it is running. One of the most important features of this standard is a requirement that the blades must stop turning within 5 seconds when the PTO is disengaged or the operator leaves the seat. This requires an automatic brake on the blade drive. ANSI also requires that mowers be tested to strict performance standards for thrown objects. A seatback height of at least 4˝ inches is required to keep operators from falling backward. There are requirements on dynamic turn and sudden traction performance to improve machine stability. There are requirements for braking performance. There are also requirements on guarding and safety labeling. The blade tip speed is limited to 19,000 feet per minute. ---------------- That would seem to indicate that there is no specific lesser top blade tip speed for a residential mower. It still could be true, I suppose, that the manufacturers of residential mowers spin the blades slower, but that may not be necessarily true in all residential machines. Johnson. When were those regulations written? My Scag is about 8 years old now, I think. I know one thing. The blades don't have a brake on them. I have a newer push mower that operates as described in your posted regulations, but not the Scag. Also, I believe that residential rider mowers have had a requirement to automatically disengage the drive to the blades when the rider mower is put into reverse to back up. The last two lawn tractors I had did this and one was an old, 1990 vintage John Deere. The commercial rated Scag doesn't do this either. Blades stay engaged both forward and backward. Leads me to believe the regs you cited are for residential rated equipment. Eisboch |
Speaking of tractors or lawnmowers
Eisboch wrote:
"Johnson" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Scag dealer and also confirmed by our landscaper who obviously only buys commercial equipment. He's the one who recommended that I buy a commercial mower for the purpose I needed (mowing large horse paddocks). The residential tip speed limit is a federal regulation. I forget what it is exactly, but something like 1750 feet/min rings a bell. I couldn't find anything specifically regulating residential mower blade tip speed, but did find that there is a federal regulation concerning all mowers at 19000 fpm top blade tip speed. Most commercial mowers appear to advertise at between 18000 and 19000. Shamelessly cut and pasted: --------------- American National Standards Institute (ANSI) ANSI standard B71.1, Walk-Behind Mowers and Ride-On Machines With Mowers - Safety Specifications, is the primary safety standard for homeowner riding mowers and small tractors. This standard requires the use of an operator presence control, a device that will stop the mower blades if the operator leaves the seat without disengaging the blade drive (PTO). This prevents an operator from being down on the ground around a mower while it is running. One of the most important features of this standard is a requirement that the blades must stop turning within 5 seconds when the PTO is disengaged or the operator leaves the seat. This requires an automatic brake on the blade drive. ANSI also requires that mowers be tested to strict performance standards for thrown objects. A seatback height of at least 4˝ inches is required to keep operators from falling backward. There are requirements on dynamic turn and sudden traction performance to improve machine stability. There are requirements for braking performance. There are also requirements on guarding and safety labeling. The blade tip speed is limited to 19,000 feet per minute. ---------------- That would seem to indicate that there is no specific lesser top blade tip speed for a residential mower. It still could be true, I suppose, that the manufacturers of residential mowers spin the blades slower, but that may not be necessarily true in all residential machines. Johnson. I think. I know one thing. The blades don't have a brake on them. I have a newer push mower that operates as described in your posted regulations, but not the Scag. Also, I believe that residential rider mowers have had a requirement to automatically disengage the drive to the blades when the rider mower is put into reverse to back up. The last two lawn tractors I had did this and one was an old, 1990 vintage John Deere. The commercial rated Scag doesn't do this either. Blades stay engaged both forward and backward. Leads me to believe the regs you cited are for residential rated equipment. Eisboch My Husqie (the one that was never manufactured) backs up with the blades running. Your comments about blade speed and commercial mowers is correct. -- The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a gang of moral nihilists. |
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