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HK May 22nd 09 04:55 PM

Shoveling morality
 
Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus
Democratic Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club
whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by"
the university.

Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?

What a laugh.

jim7856 May 22nd 09 05:05 PM

Shoveling morality
 
HK wrote:
Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus
Democratic Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club
whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by"
the university.

Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?

What a laugh.


You are even more caustic than normal today. Wha hapen. Yur wife kick
you out of yur hotel room, finally?

Don White May 22nd 09 05:29 PM

Shoveling morality
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic
Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent
organization stands against the moral principles held by" the university.

Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?

What a laugh.


When that university comes begging for Federal Funds...I'd send them looking
for their "moral principles" .



Johnson May 22nd 09 05:43 PM

Shoveling morality
 
HK wrote:

Moral principles?


Morality is something you don't have.

****ing an underage girl when you were 12, and then boasting about it in
a boating newsgroup some 40 to 50 years later demonstrates it.

Truly pathetic.

Johnson

[email protected] May 22nd 09 06:00 PM

Shoveling morality
 
On May 22, 12:29*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...

* *Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic
Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent
organization stands against the moral principles held by" the university.


* *Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?


* *What a laugh.


When that university comes begging for Federal Funds...I'd send them looking
for their "moral principles" .


What "federal funds" is Liberty U. getting?

[email protected] May 22nd 09 06:01 PM

Shoveling morality
 
On May 22, 12:43*pm, Johnson wrote:
HK wrote:
* *Moral principles?


Morality is something you don't have.

****ing an underage girl when you were 12, and then boasting about it in
a boating newsgroup some 40 to 50 years later demonstrates it.

Truly pathetic.

Johnson


The same with his constant lies.

HK May 22nd 09 06:43 PM

Shoveling morality
 
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2009 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On May 22, 12:29 pm, "Don White" wrote:
| "HK" wrote in message
|
| m...
|
| Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic
| Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent
| organization stands against the moral principles held by" the university.
|
| Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
| principles?
|
| What a laugh.
|
| When that university comes begging for Federal Funds...I'd send them looking
| for their "moral principles" .
|
|What "federal funds" is Liberty U. getting?

You are kidding, right?



Maybe a grant to "prove" cretinism, er, creationism?

I wonder if the joint participates in the federal Pell grant or federal
student loan programs? If so, it should be disqualified.

HK May 22nd 09 07:14 PM

Shoveling morality
 
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:43:41 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:
| On Fri, 22 May 2009 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT), penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |On May 22, 12:29 pm, "Don White" wrote:
| | "HK" wrote in message
| |
| | m...
| |
| | Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic
| | Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent
| | organization stands against the moral principles held by" the university.
| |
| | Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
| | principles?
| |
| | What a laugh.
| |
| | When that university comes begging for Federal Funds...I'd send them looking
| | for their "moral principles" .
| |
| |What "federal funds" is Liberty U. getting?
|
| You are kidding, right?
|
|
|
|Maybe a grant to "prove" cretinism, er, creationism?

Interesting point. Since they offer a degree in Biology, one wonders
what is taught in genetics classes.....

|I wonder if the joint participates in the federal Pell grant or federal
|student loan programs? If so, it should be disqualified.

Not only are they VERY active in receiving Federal Grants and Loans,
they cost the taxpayer about 4 times the COA of a state supported
university student.

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebA...p?tab=choosing

From the taxpayer's wallet to Gawd's purse.......



I wonder if it would be worthwhile to try to get the school
"disqualified." I don't object to church-related higher ed institutions
participating in federal or state grant programs for students, but
"Liberty" seems extremist and un-American, sort of like a Muslim
jihadist school, but for fundamentalist Christians.

John H[_2_] May 22nd 09 09:39 PM

Shoveling morality
 
On Fri, 22 May 2009 12:43:00 -0400, Johnson
wrote:

HK wrote:

Moral principles?


Morality is something you don't have.

****ing an underage girl when you were 12, and then boasting about it in
a boating newsgroup some 40 to 50 years later demonstrates it.

Truly pathetic.

Johnson


Now you're beating an appropriate drum.
--

John H

Monkey Butler May 23rd 09 12:59 AM

Shoveling morality
 
My daughter attends Liberty. She previously went to UMass Amherst for
two years.

I have nothing but good things to say about the faculty and staff that
I've dealt with at Liberty. The only shovels I saw were in the hands
of the grounds crew. While I don't want to be quick to question
anyone's morality I will say that the "would you do that if your
mother was watching" rule is much more in evidence at LU than at Zoo
Mass.

Boating content: I will be taking a group of her friends from school
on a boat tour of Boston Harbor this summer. They are a great bunch of
kids.

Steve P.

jps May 23rd 09 04:17 AM

Shoveling morality
 
On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:46:23 -0400, D K
wrote:


Damn narcissism skews his story yet again.


You'd better consult your therapist about the correct use of
"narcissism" at your next appointment.

Will the short week still allow your customary two sessions?

[email protected] May 25th 09 05:06 AM

Shoveling morality
 
On May 22, 2:01*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:43:41 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:

| On Fri, 22 May 2009 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT), penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
| |On May 22, 12:29 pm, "Don White" wrote:
| | "HK" wrote in message
| |
| |news:4eednZNRDMBtV4vXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink. com...
| |
| | * *Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic
| | Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent
| | organization stands against the moral principles held by" the university.
| |
| | * *Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
| | principles?
| |
| | * *What a laugh.
| |
| | When that university comes begging for Federal Funds...I'd send them looking
| | for their "moral principles" .
| |
| |What "federal funds" is Liberty U. getting?
|
| You are kidding, right?
|
|
|
|Maybe a grant to "prove" cretinism, er, creationism?

Interesting point. Since they offer a degree in Biology, one wonders
what is taught in genetics classes.....

|I wonder if the joint participates in the federal Pell grant or federal
|student loan programs? If so, it should be disqualified.

Not only are they VERY active in receiving Federal Grants and Loans,
they cost the taxpayer about 4 times the COA of a state supported
university student.

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebA...h/collegecosts....

From the taxpayer's wallet to Gawd's purse.......

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


What was it you blustered recently about boaters only posting on
political topics?

Monkey Butler May 26th 09 04:50 PM

Shoveling morality
 
On May 22, 11:55*am, HK wrote:
* * Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus
Democratic Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club
whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by"
the university.

* * Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?

* * What a laugh.



Op-Ed: Media's misrepresentation of club controversy

May 25, 2009 : Jerry Falwell, Jr.

A number of media sources recently reported that Liberty University
banned Democrats from meeting on campus. One headline erroneously
read:
“Democrats at Liberty University forced to meet off campus.”
Apparently many journalists do not let the facts get in the way of a
juicy, agenda-driven story.

The story was spun out of control from the beginning, when Terry
McAuliffe, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for Virginia, called a
telephone press conference to talk about the College Democrat club
formed by students of Liberty University. The presses began to buzz.
Much of what went to print was wrong. Most journalists were interested
in scooping their competitors rather than seeking the truth. Even when
some reporters learned the facts, they could not bring themselves to
correct their stories because the fanciful reports were just too
tempting.

The University has not banned Democrats from campus. Nor has the
Democrat club been banned from meeting. And, never has the University
or its officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a
Democrat.
Sorry for those who want to run with these titillating sound bites,
but these are the facts.

The students who formed the Democrat club last October are good
students. They are pro-life and believe in traditional marriage. They
can continue to meet on campus. The only thing that has changed came
about as part of a University-wide review of all student organizations
for official recognition status. Official recognition carries with it
the benefit of using the University name and funds. While this group
will not be an officially recognized club, it may still meet on
campus.

Liberty University is the world’s largest and fastest growing
evangelical university. While many schools have faced budget short
falls and declining enrollment, Liberty is debt free and continues to
grow at a rapid rate. We now have 11,500 students on campus and nearly
38,000 students online. This fall Liberty University will exceed
50,000 total students.

Parents and students support the University because they believe in
its distinctly Christian identity and mission. Liberty University is
pro-life and believes that marriage between one man and one woman
provides the best environment for children. Liberty University will
not lend its name or financial support to any student group that
advances causes contrary to its mission.

While the students in the college Democrat club are pro-life and
support traditional marriage, the constitution of the club pledged
support to advance the Democratic platform and candidates. The 2008
Democratic platform has taken an extreme turn to the left on social
issues. For the first time it supports federal funding of abortion and
repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, a law passed
overwhelmingly by a bi-partisan Congress and signed by President Bill
Clinton. Liberty University will not lend its name or financial
support to undermine marriage or to promote abortion.

While students are free to meet on campus, debate and discuss politics
of every stripe, the University will remain true to its core
principles and not lend its name or fund groups that work to undermine
the principles that make Liberty attractive to so many people. Liberty
brings many diverse speakers to campus. Last year Senator John
McCain’s brother spoke to the students along with Virginia Democratic
Governor, Tim Kaine. Dr. Bernice King, daughter of Dr. Martin Luther
King, Jr., spoke to our students this spring about how her opposition
to same sex marriage put her at odds with her family and her political
allies. Ted Kennedy also spoke at Liberty in 1983.

We encourage our students to bring positive change to all political
parties, Democrats, Republicans and Independents. We hope our students
challenge all political parties to remain true to the core moral
values consistent with the Christian mission of the University. To
blindly support any candidate solely because of party affiliation
irrespective of their moral views is wrong. Liberty would never
endorse a Republican student group that supported abortion rights.
Liberty stands for certain core values; not for a political party.

Jerry Falwell, Jr.
Chancellor and President
Liberty University


HK May 26th 09 05:03 PM

Shoveling morality
 
Monkey Butler wrote:
On May 22, 11:55 am, HK wrote:
Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus
Democratic Party club, saying "we are unable to lend support to a club
whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by"
the university.

Moral principles? Liberty University? Jerry Falwell's college? Moral
principles?

What a laugh.



Op-Ed: Media's misrepresentation of club controversy

May 25, 2009 : Jerry Falwell, Jr.

A number of media sources recently reported that Liberty University
banned Democrats from meeting on campus. One headline erroneously
read:
“Democrats at Liberty University forced to meet off campus.”
Apparently many journalists do not let the facts get in the way of a
juicy, agenda-driven story.

The story was spun out of control from the beginning, when Terry
McAuliffe, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for Virginia, called a
telephone press conference to talk about the College Democrat club
formed by students of Liberty University. The presses began to buzz.
Much of what went to print was wrong. Most journalists were interested
in scooping their competitors rather than seeking the truth. Even when
some reporters learned the facts, they could not bring themselves to
correct their stories because the fanciful reports were just too
tempting.

The University has not banned Democrats from campus. Nor has the
Democrat club been banned from meeting. And, never has the University
or its officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a
Democrat.
Sorry for those who want to run with these titillating sound bites,
but these are the facts.

The students who formed the Democrat club last October are good
students. They are pro-life and believe in traditional marriage. They
can continue to meet on campus. The only thing that has changed came
about as part of a University-wide review of all student organizations
for official recognition status. Official recognition carries with it
the benefit of using the University name and funds. While this group
will not be an officially recognized club, it may still meet on
campus.



All the falwell statement does is reinforce the reportage that the
university withdrew recognition as an approved student organization for
the group.

Federal funding for any activities at the "university" should be
withdrawn. That includes student loans. There's no reason why taxpayers
should help facilitate that sort of exclusionary practice.


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