gps
 

From son in law:

Yes, it's true. The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. You can
read the GAO report online. It' has all the gory detail.

gps
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
From son in law:

Yes, it's true. The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. You can
read the GAO report online. It' has all the gory detail.




I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

Eisboch

gps
 

On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

gps
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
From son in law:

Yes, it's true. The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. You can
read the GAO report online. It' has all the gory detail.




I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

Eisboch


They'd probably have to get the "tubes" from Russia.

gps
 

On Wed, 20 May 2009 06:16:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
From son in law:

Yes, it's true. The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. You can
read the GAO report online. It' has all the gory detail.




I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

Eisboch


They'd probably have to get the "tubes" from Russia.

Ted Stevens knows all about tubes and lives right across the pond from
Russia.

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

gps
 

On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.




True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

Eisboch

gps
 

On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

MORE POWER!!!

3CX3000A7 baby....

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big
old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

MORE POWER!!!

3CX3000A7 baby....

They make good drivers.

gps
 

On May 20, 2:46*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

m...

From son in law:

Yes, it's true. *The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. *The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. *The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. *You can
read the GAO report online. *It' has all the gory detail.

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

Eisboch

A lot of folks would agree.....

gps
 

On May 20, 6:16*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Calif Bill" wrote in message
om...
From son in law:

Yes, it's true. *The main problem is Boeing's delay of their Block IIF
satellites. *The AF is planning to buy 12 of them.

IIF was originally supposed to launch in 2000.... then 2004..... now late
2009 (optimistically).

It's not all Boeing's fault. *The Gov't caused a lot of problems with
requirements creep, ill defined needs, and late design changes. *You can
read the GAO report online. *It' has all the gory detail.

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters and
keep 'em running for a while.

Eisboch

They'd probably have to get the "tubes" from Russia.

You obviously don't know where to buy tubes......

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.


Heat up that xsister and you have neither

gps
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.




True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big
old vacuum tube power amp outputs.

Eisboch

I know all about those transmitters. Worked on Loran and Tacan in the USAF.
You know. Military Light.

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big
old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

MORE POWER!!!

3CX3000A7 baby....

Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged. The
kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off the 12'
ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even different. The
instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.

gps
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged.
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even different.
The instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.


I have been just as stupid. While on a mid-watch at a Navy transmitter
site in Puerto Rico, I was working on an old AN/FRT-40 HF transmitter.
Shut the thing down, opened the rear door to the power supply section and
then was interrupted by a phone call or something. When I returned to the
transmitter, I hit my hand against a connection to one of the huge power
supply filter capacitors and discharged it through me. The muscle
contractions caused me to fly backwards about 7 feet back and about 4 feet
up against the building wall and for several minutes all I saw were stars.

I was lucky. That was my first high voltage, high current experience.
Had another later as a civilian that was worse.
Knocked me out cold and was rushed to the emergency room. Fortunately, no
permanent injury other than some bad burns on my hands.

Eisboch

gps
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged.
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even different.
The instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.


I have been just as stupid. While on a mid-watch at a Navy transmitter
site in Puerto Rico, I was working on an old AN/FRT-40 HF transmitter.
Shut the thing down, opened the rear door to the power supply section and
then was interrupted by a phone call or something. When I returned to the
transmitter, I hit my hand against a connection to one of the huge power
supply filter capacitors and discharged it through me. The muscle
contractions caused me to fly backwards about 7 feet back and about 4 feet
up against the building wall and for several minutes all I saw were stars.

I was lucky. That was my first high voltage, high current experience.
Had another later as a civilian that was worse.
Knocked me out cold and was rushed to the emergency room. Fortunately,
no permanent injury other than some bad burns on my hands.

Eisboch


My episode was checking the voltage on an airborne radar unit out of a
probably C-141. Do not remember the model number anymore. 400 VDC and a
meter lead unlike any I have ever seen before or sense. Had an extra ring
on the insulated part that was hot to the probe. About 20' later I get up
off the floor. Having missed every workbench and stand in the area. My
muscles hurt for at least 3 days afterwards.

gps
 

On May 22, 2:07*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. *We ran
the units on Low Power. *Only 3000 volts on the tubes. *About 3kw dummy
load. *We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. *Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! *When you needed to work on the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. *Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged..
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. *Sparks bouncing off the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even different.

gps
 

gps
 

wrote in message
...
On May 22, 2:07 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We
ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on
the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged.
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer
and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even
different.
The instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.

I have been just as stupid. While on a mid-watch at a Navy transmitter
site in Puerto Rico, I was working on an old AN/FRT-40 HF transmitter.
Shut the thing down, opened the rear door to the power supply section
and
then was interrupted by a phone call or something. When I returned to
the
transmitter, I hit my hand against a connection to one of the huge power
supply filter capacitors and discharged it through me. The muscle
contractions caused me to fly backwards about 7 feet back and about 4
feet
up against the building wall and for several minutes all I saw were
stars.

I was lucky. That was my first high voltage, high current experience.
Had another later as a civilian that was worse.
Knocked me out cold and was rushed to the emergency room. Fortunately,
no permanent injury other than some bad burns on my hands.

Eisboch

My episode was checking the voltage on an airborne radar unit out of a
probably C-141. Do not remember the model number anymore. 400 VDC and a
meter lead unlike any I have ever seen before or sense. Had an extra ring
on the insulated part that was hot to the probe. About 20' later I get up
off the floor. Having missed every workbench and stand in the area. My
muscles hurt for at least 3 days afterwards.

Kinda like tricking some fool into ****ing on an Electric Fence.

Hurt much worse than touching an electric fence. Was smart enough to not
**** on one.

gps
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:26:52 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news:9fk7159sn48jsopfa7e3lt6kq91j2ttp7u@4ax. com...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system
transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are
simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which
is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use big
old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

MORE POWER!!!

3CX3000A7 baby....

They make good drivers.


And they continue to work during a nuclear holocaust that disables
solid state electronics.


And why would you need a tube radio after a nuke holocaust? No power or
stations left?

gps
 

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On May 22, 2:07 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We
ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on
the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are discharged.
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer
and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even
different.
The instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.
I have been just as stupid. While on a mid-watch at a Navy transmitter
site in Puerto Rico, I was working on an old AN/FRT-40 HF transmitter.
Shut the thing down, opened the rear door to the power supply section
and
then was interrupted by a phone call or something. When I returned to
the
transmitter, I hit my hand against a connection to one of the huge power
supply filter capacitors and discharged it through me. The muscle
contractions caused me to fly backwards about 7 feet back and about 4
feet
up against the building wall and for several minutes all I saw were
stars.
I was lucky. That was my first high voltage, high current experience.
Had another later as a civilian that was worse.
Knocked me out cold and was rushed to the emergency room. Fortunately,
no permanent injury other than some bad burns on my hands.
Eisboch
My episode was checking the voltage on an airborne radar unit out of a
probably C-141. Do not remember the model number anymore. 400 VDC and a
meter lead unlike any I have ever seen before or sense. Had an extra ring
on the insulated part that was hot to the probe. About 20' later I get up
off the floor. Having missed every workbench and stand in the area. My
muscles hurt for at least 3 days afterwards.

Kinda like tricking some fool into ****ing on an Electric Fence.

Hurt much worse than touching an electric fence. Was smart enough to not
**** on one.



Actually you will not get shocked, unless you are ****ing within inches
of the fence. Your urine stream will separate into droplets, not a
solid stream, very soon after it leaves the hose. How do I know? One
word.... Mythbusters.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

gps
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:13:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:26:52 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:53:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news:gn8915pen9ekjtv4g4h7l5aao9ptm1hsi3@4ax. com...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
news:9fk7159sn48jsopfa7e3lt6kq91j2ttp7u@4a x.com...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:46:50 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I think they should put new tubes in the old LORAN system
transmitters
and
keep 'em running for a while.

There 'ya go - Tubes.

WHOO HOO!!!

~~ From a radio Luddite ~~

Last Loran I had did not have Valves.

You know - you could make the argument that transistors are nothing
more than solid state vacuum tubes.

Which would make them valves.

True, but in conventional wisdom, tubes are valves, transistors are
simply
"solid state".

For Calif Bill's benefit, I wasn't referring to a LORAN receiver which
is
most assuredly solid state.
I was speaking of the transmitters that are very likely to still use
big
old
vacuum tube power amp outputs.

MORE POWER!!!

3CX3000A7 baby....

They make good drivers.


And they continue to work during a nuclear holocaust that disables
solid state electronics.


And why would you need a tube radio after a nuke holocaust? No power or
stations left?


You might have appeared a little smarter if you hadn't posted that.


You are the one who stated a nuke holocaust. Why need a radio, when
everything that is going to transmit is EMPed out of service.

gps
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On May 22, 2:07 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...
Funniest event during school at Keesler was during a TACAN class. We
ran
the units on Low Power. Only 3000 volts on the tubes. About 3kw dummy
load. We had a Vietnamese MAP student in the class. Had absolutely no
common sense when it came to electricity! When you needed to work on
the
unit, you turned the dial on the front of the drawer to zero. Open the
drawer and use a shorting bar to make sure all the caps are
discharged.
The kid did not bother turning down the power, and opened the drawer
and
proceeded to touch the shorting bar everywhere. Sparks bouncing off
the
12' ceiling and he never realized something was wrong or even
different.
The instructor was in shock, the rest of us were in hysterics.
I have been just as stupid. While on a mid-watch at a Navy transmitter
site in Puerto Rico, I was working on an old AN/FRT-40 HF transmitter.
Shut the thing down, opened the rear door to the power supply section
and
then was interrupted by a phone call or something. When I returned to
the
transmitter, I hit my hand against a connection to one of the huge
power
supply filter capacitors and discharged it through me. The muscle
contractions caused me to fly backwards about 7 feet back and about 4
feet
up against the building wall and for several minutes all I saw were
stars.
I was lucky. That was my first high voltage, high current experience.
Had another later as a civilian that was worse.
Knocked me out cold and was rushed to the emergency room. Fortunately,
no permanent injury other than some bad burns on my hands.
Eisboch
My episode was checking the voltage on an airborne radar unit out of a
probably C-141. Do not remember the model number anymore. 400 VDC and a
meter lead unlike any I have ever seen before or sense. Had an extra
ring
on the insulated part that was hot to the probe. About 20' later I get
up
off the floor. Having missed every workbench and stand in the area. My
muscles hurt for at least 3 days afterwards.

Kinda like tricking some fool into ****ing on an Electric Fence.

Hurt much worse than touching an electric fence. Was smart enough to not
**** on one.

Actually you will not get shocked, unless you are ****ing within inches of
the fence. Your urine stream will separate into droplets, not a solid
stream, very soon after it leaves the hose. How do I know? One
word.... Mythbusters.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no
way are to be considered flaws or defects

Guy I worked with from the Dallas area stated one of the kids in his high
school class on a field trip to see some hybrid corn did **** on the
electric fence. Thought it was off. Could not **** for a couple days.

gps
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:12:00 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Kinda like tricking some fool into ****ing on an Electric Fence.

Hurt much worse than touching an electric fence. Was smart enough to not
**** on one.

Actually, you can do it as much as you want - you'd have to be almost
touching it to be shocked by it.

Water breaks up almost immediately after being...er...released. It's
why you can fight a fire or protect exposures even having live wires
in the vicinity.

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

gps
 

On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:35:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

You are the one who stated a nuke holocaust. Why need a radio, when
everything that is going to transmit is EMPed out of service.

Have you not seen "Independance Day"? :)

Tube radios and Morse Code saves the day.

Cretin. :)

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On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.


I know from experience that the electric fence systems used for horse
paddocks and pastures is upwards of 5000 volts or more. Very little current
obviously, but enough to catch your attention if you happen to accidently
touch it.

I, for one, am not interested in testing the **** on it theory.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.


I know from experience that the electric fence systems used for horse
paddocks and pastures is upwards of 5000 volts or more. Very little
current obviously, but enough to catch your attention if you happen to
accidently touch it.

I, for one, am not interested in testing the **** on it theory.

Eisboch

You should give it a try to touch the fence. It does get your
attention, but it really isn't bad for two reasons. While it has 5000
volts, it has very low amperage, and the second reason is the ground is
use as the negative pole. If you are wearing rubber soled shoes, you
really are protected from completing a good circuit. You can feel it,
but it is not as strong as a zap as the animal (who is not wearing
rubber soled shoes) will gets when he touches the wire.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:12:00 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Kinda like tricking some fool into ****ing on an Electric Fence.

Hurt much worse than touching an electric fence. Was smart enough to not
**** on one.

Of course the so called stream is a string of separate droplets. Non
conductive.

Casady

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On Sat, 23 May 2009 07:01:15 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.


I know from experience that the electric fence systems used for horse
paddocks and pastures is upwards of 5000 volts or more. Very little current
obviously, but enough to catch your attention if you happen to accidently
touch it.

I, for one, am not interested in testing the **** on it theory.

Eisboch

The proper way to test the fence is to pick a live blade of grass or
weed about a foot long. While holding it, touch it to the fence at the
tip. If nothing is felt, touch it about halfway up. If still nothing,
touch it about an inch or two from your fingers. If still nothing, the
fence is not 'hot'.

If anything is felt, it will be only a small 'tingle'.

From a farm boy.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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On May 23, 10:27*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 07:01:15 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:







"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. *Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

I know from experience that the electric fence systems used for horse
paddocks and pastures is upwards of 5000 volts or more. *Very little current
obviously, but enough to catch your attention if you happen to accidently
touch it.

I, for one, am not interested in testing the **** on it theory.

Eisboch

The proper way to test the fence is to pick a live blade of grass or
weed about a foot long. While holding it, touch it to the fence at the
tip. If nothing is felt, touch it about halfway up. If still nothing,
touch it about an inch or two from your fingers. If still nothing, the
fence is not 'hot'.

If anything is felt, it will be only a small 'tingle'.

From a farm boy.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When I was a kid I was always getting shocked by fences! One time (and
one time ONLY!) I tried to crawl under a fence, while crawling in our
creek. Yep, hands and legs in water, when my backed brushed the fence!

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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:35:36 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

You are the one who stated a nuke holocaust. Why need a radio, when
everything that is going to transmit is EMPed out of service.

Have you not seen "Independance Day"? :)

Tube radios and Morse Code saves the day.

Cretin. :)

Luddite :}

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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

Nope, the hose in my front yard. No nozzle or thumb on the end and a solid
stream of water hits the ground.

gps
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 11:37:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

Nope, the hose in my front yard. No nozzle or thumb on the end and a solid
stream of water hits the ground.

Mythbusters is creating myths. I've seen the idea that a solid stream
of water is disconnected droplets all over the place.
Most cite Mythbusters as their source.
You can see the Mythbusters test on Youtube. Junk science.
In the first test the stream of **** looked like what you'd see from a
90-year old codger with a swollen prostate, and dying of thirst.
When they increased the stream strength and put the dummy closer
to the rail, the dummy was zapped.
They never did a realistic test from what I saw.
Show business.
Anybody here who remembers ****ing 20 feet in ****ing contests
as a kid or ****ing after a few quarts of beer knows there can be a
big difference in streams of ****. Health and body plumbing
capacities widely vary.
And then there are....ahem...other anatomical differences to consider.
I don't think these 2 nerds know crap about ****.
They should stick to strapping JATO engines on Chevys and trying
to stick them into cliff sides.
That's my kind of science!

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 23 May 2009 11:37:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

Nope, the hose in my front yard. No nozzle or thumb on the end and a
solid
stream of water hits the ground.

Mythbusters is creating myths. I've seen the idea that a solid stream
of water is disconnected droplets all over the place.
Most cite Mythbusters as their source.
You can see the Mythbusters test on Youtube. Junk science.
In the first test the stream of **** looked like what you'd see from a
90-year old codger with a swollen prostate, and dying of thirst.
When they increased the stream strength and put the dummy closer
to the rail, the dummy was zapped.
They never did a realistic test from what I saw.
Show business.
Anybody here who remembers ****ing 20 feet in ****ing contests
as a kid or ****ing after a few quarts of beer knows there can be a
big difference in streams of ****. Health and body plumbing
capacities widely vary.
And then there are....ahem...other anatomical differences to consider.
I don't think these 2 nerds know crap about ****.
They should stick to strapping JATO engines on Chevys and trying
to stick them into cliff sides.
That's my kind of science!

--Vic

Mythbusters is local to me. My welding instructor flinches every time they
get out the welder. Says a prime example of what not to do.

gps
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 15:00:06 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2009 11:37:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:38:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I have seen solid streams hit the ground just like from a hose without a
nozzle. Fire hoses spray.

Sorry - nope.

Even under high pressure/large volume, like a deluge gun you see on
top of some tower and ladder systems, the stream isn't strong enough
to resist air pressure and breaks up almost immediately.

Now, having said that, it is possible if you crank up to super high
voltage AND current, but even then it's problematic.

Nope, the hose in my front yard. No nozzle or thumb on the end and a solid
stream of water hits the ground.

Mythbusters is creating myths. I've seen the idea that a solid stream
of water is disconnected droplets all over the place.
Most cite Mythbusters as their source.
You can see the Mythbusters test on Youtube. Junk science.
In the first test the stream of **** looked like what you'd see from a
90-year old codger with a swollen prostate, and dying of thirst.
When they increased the stream strength and put the dummy closer
to the rail, the dummy was zapped.
They never did a realistic test from what I saw.
Show business.
Anybody here who remembers ****ing 20 feet in ****ing contests
as a kid or ****ing after a few quarts of beer knows there can be a
big difference in streams of ****. Health and body plumbing
capacities widely vary.
And then there are....ahem...other anatomical differences to consider.
I don't think these 2 nerds know crap about ****.
They should stick to strapping JATO engines on Chevys and trying
to stick them into cliff sides.
That's my kind of science!

--Vic

I think you're being pretty cruel to us old guys with prostates
resembling grapefruits.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:38:33 -0400, John H
wrote:



I think you're being pretty cruel to us old guys with prostates
resembling grapefruits.

Why? You can **** on 3rd rails without getting zapped.
So that's an advantage.
BTW, my grandad died when prostate cancer spread - he was 85.
My dad got chemoed/radiated it for it at about 78. He's ok.
About 7-8 years ago I was taking forever to finish up ****ing, then
leaking right afterwards.
The doc's finger showed a swollen prostate and he gave me a month's
worth of Cardura.
Fixed me right up, and I never took it again.
Since then he says it's normal sized.
Go figure. Puzzles him.

--Vic

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"John H" wrote in message
...

The proper way to test the fence is to pick a live blade of grass or
weed about a foot long. While holding it, touch it to the fence at the
tip. If nothing is felt, touch it about halfway up. If still nothing,
touch it about an inch or two from your fingers. If still nothing, the
fence is not 'hot'.

If anything is felt, it will be only a small 'tingle'.

From a farm boy.
--

John H


I have no problem quickly brushing my fingers on the wires on Mrs.E.'s
electric fence to see if it's on.
It's just the surprises that bother me. She rarely turns them on anymore
anyway. The horses learn to stay clear.
I am just not ready to **** on the wire yet. After a couple of Sam Adams's
Lager, mine's not a stream of droplets.

Eisboch

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On Sat, 23 May 2009 17:54:50 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:38:33 -0400, John H
wrote:



I think you're being pretty cruel to us old guys with prostates
resembling grapefruits.

Why? You can **** on 3rd rails without getting zapped.
So that's an advantage.

My gosh, there's an advantage that I'd never thought of!

BTW, my grandad died when prostate cancer spread - he was 85.
My dad got chemoed/radiated it for it at about 78. He's ok.
About 7-8 years ago I was taking forever to finish up ****ing, then
leaking right afterwards.
The doc's finger showed a swollen prostate and he gave me a month's
worth of Cardura.
Fixed me right up, and I never took it again.
Since then he says it's normal sized.
Go figure. Puzzles him.

--Vic

Mine offerred me the pills, but told me I'd have to stop drinking
coffee. I politely told him to keep the pills.

A little over-watering isn't going to kill any of the trees on the
golf course.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson