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Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 12:01*pm, HK wrote:
Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? *From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 1:24*pm, wrote:
On May 13, 12:01*pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill).. Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? *From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 7:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 13, 1:24*pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01*pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? *From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus and Furthermore, consider Alfred Nobel who invented dynamite and was so afraid it would be used for weapons that he gave away his fortune to finance Peace Prizes and scientific prizes. Samuel Colt invented the revolver on his own while on a transatlantic voyage and it was said that God made all men but Sam Colt made them equal. Birdseye invented the method for freezing vegies without turning em into mush on his own. Robert Goddard invented liquid fueled rockets on his own The Wright Bros invented on their own. The govt funded Smithsonian funded Lilienthal's "aerodrome" that failed to fly and then refused to give credit to the Wrights Otto Diesel invented diesel engines on his own. The guy who privately sequenced the human genome in 1/4 the time the govt project said it would take at less than 1/4 the cost. Nylon was invented privately by Dupont Air Conditioning was invented by Dr. John Gorrie and later by Carrier both privately. The Bessemer process for making steel was private Production of aluminum Public Key Encryption, the basis of almost all internet commerce was independently invented by a private individual AFTER it was discovered by govt employees in england and thought to be useless and publication was suppressed. Westinghouse invented braking systems for trains that saved countless lives and then went on to develop electrical equipment. In fact, the ratio of useful inventions funded by the govt to private funding is VERY small. Govt labs are basically a joke. In fact, I was recently told by an employee of NIST that they have invented NOTHING useful in the past 10 years and patent very little. I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Inventors have no desire to kill their customers. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. --Vic |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 7:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 13, 1:24*pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01*pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? *From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus The cotton gin was invented by Eli Whitney. The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Almost ALL machinery for farms was privately invented so your food can be directly traced to private inventors. High yield varieties of most crops were pvtly invented. If you want to see where we would be if we relied on govt inventions, l;ook at the Soviet Union that could only copy western inventions and would have STARVED without wheat from private US farms. Govt funded research is so bad that Lysenkoism was the official doctrine of biological inheritance in the Soviet Union and held back Soviet agriculture for decades resulting in mass famine Attempts by govt "research" in China to increase rice yields by using machines resultwed in famine when the machines penetrated the clay base of flooded rice beds causing drying out of the rice. Capitalism has increased food production so much that people 200 years ago would be amazed. ALL and I realy do mean ALL of our abundant food is the dirrect result of capitalists. Without capitalism, we would have mass starvation. Thank GOD for greedy capitalists. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. And you are correct. Eisboch |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 8:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. * And you are correct. Eisboch Ooops, I meant Langley, not Lilienthal |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 8:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. * And you are correct. Eisboch My own business is based on technology I used working for the govt for nuclear weapons tests. My business is based on patents for commercial products that were discouraged by world experts in x-ray optics who were working at govt labs. The reality is that govt lab employees have no idea of what is or isnt a good idea. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 13, 8:11*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. * And you are correct. Eisboch Oh, the outboard motor was invented by a pvt individual (Evinrude?) |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
Frogwatch wrote:
On May 13, 8:11 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. And you are correct. Eisboch Ooops, I meant Langley, not Lilienthal Wow...got you revved up, eh? |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On May 13, 8:11 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. And you are correct. Eisboch My own business is based on technology I used working for the govt for nuclear weapons tests. My business is based on patents for commercial products that were discouraged by world experts in x-ray optics who were working at govt labs. The reality is that govt lab employees have no idea of what is or isnt a good idea. Uh-huh. And we can tell how good you are by the contraptions you build that fall apart underneath you. |
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On May 13, 9:10*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On May 13, 8:11 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. *Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. * And you are correct. Eisboch My own business is based on technology I used working for the govt for nuclear weapons tests. *My business is based on patents for commercial products that were discouraged by world experts in x-ray optics who were working at govt labs. *The reality is that govt lab employees have no idea of what is or isnt a good idea. Uh-huh. And we can tell how good you are by the contraptions you build that fall apart underneath you. Ignorance is HK |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On May 13, 8:11 pm, "Eisboch" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On May 13, 1:24 pm, wrote: On May 13, 12:01 pm, HK wrote: Consider Alexander Fleming and his discovery of perhaps the world’s most important medical advancement: Penicillin. By all accounts, Fleming was a slob. He discovered Penicillin because he was so slovenly that some of his Petri dishes had developed a fungus - like so many leftovers in a bachelor’s refrigerator – and thanks to the idleness afforded him by researching grants he was able to discern value in this. Of course he couldn’t even manufacture a stable and useful strain of the bacteria. Instead it was the U.S. and British governments that realized this advancement. As a capitalist, Fleming was a failure. Jonas Salk, another of the faces on the Mount Rushmore of medicine, was an academic working at a university with government research money readily available as a result of mass polio terror. He successfully found a vaccine and promptly proceeded to refuse to patent his discovery so that it would benefit society as thoroughly and widely as possible.. As a capitalist, he was no Andrew Carnegie. Louis Pasteur, whose contributions to society’s health were as fearless as they were extensive, might well have made a great capitalist. He was bold, and precise. Had he chosen to make mousetraps I am quite sure it would have brought mice to the brink of extinction. I would posit that his choice not to put his formidable intellect to work amassing wealth for himself speaks volumes about an intellectual’s relationship to riches. It is not in society’s interest to compel every man to run the rat race. To casually accept that only supply and demand – only greed – can motivate the great evolutions in our history is to call Pasteur a fool and a fraud. Briefly, consider what market driven medicine has brought mankind: Snake oil, heroin and The Purple Pill (ask your doctor about The Purple Pill). Oh, and of course Ritalin and Xanax. Where would society be without the off label uses of these capitalist ventures? Ultimately, we must stop hailing successful capitalists as the standard-bearers of human advancement. There are the Henry Fords and the Bill Gateses, but there are also the Philip Morrises and the P.T. Barnums. More importantly there are the pioneers whose lives paid little or no heed to capitalizing and it is their names that have contributed to the history of health care in such a way that we now consider it reasonable to contemplate a society where patient X doesn’t necessarily deserve to be treated for his sickness. After all, it isn’t Polio, or Smallpox or Typhoid they can’t afford to treat, is it? From KOS Give everything you own away, then talk about greed, asshole. Oops, forgot, Karen has it all. Lemme see, telephones, telegraph, the transistor, the printing press, personal computers, lightbulbs, electrical generators, most anticancer drugs, most new antibiotics, and on and on etc. Now for govt funded research, Nerve gas, Mustard gas, Chlorine as a weapon, Nuclear weapons, sterilization of minorities, harvesting of organs from political prisoners, etc. Seems to me that the table is slanted waaaaaaaay toward good advances being made by capitalist inventors and BAD, bad, bad inventions made by govt. Remember, capitalists have no interest in killing people and govts do. Hk is basically a doofus ------------------ Well done. And you are correct. Eisboch My own business is based on technology I used working for the govt for nuclear weapons tests. My business is based on patents for commercial products that were discouraged by world experts in x-ray optics who were working at govt labs. The reality is that govt lab employees have no idea of what is or isnt a good idea. The best inventions solve problems. Inventing something and then searching for a problem to apply it to, a la Government research, fails miserably. |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I actually developed a taste for it in SEA. Tang and vodka. Field Expedient Screwdriver. :) Just to put this in perspective, I also developed a taste for standard GI SOS and powdered eggs. Go figure. |
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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I actually developed a taste for it in SEA. Tang and vodka. Field Expedient Screwdriver. :) Just to put this in perspective, I also developed a taste for standard GI SOS and powdered eggs. Go figure. A good old Navy breakfast. How about the milk? |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I thought it was terrible too. Kool-Ade did it better. --Vic |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I thought it was terrible too. Kool-Ade did it better. --Vic Bug juice. Eisboch |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I thought it was terrible too. Kool-Ade did it better. Good old bug juice. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:13:31 -0400, BAR wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I'd have to say that private invention is very moral whereas govt funded research tends to be focused on killing things. Whoa. What about Tang? Surely you know about Tang. Tried it once or twice 40 years ago. I have no desire to ever try it again. I thought it was terrible too. Kool-Ade did it better. --Vic Bug juice. I didn't know they had bugs on targets cruising at 16 knots. |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... :) |
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On May 15, 8:50*am, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? :) |
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On May 15, 10:24*am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. *Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? *Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! |
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On May 15, 10:28*am, wrote:
On May 15, 10:24*am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. *Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? *Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! Yes, I am supposed to be sailing across the Gulf right now. I told my 22 yr old daughter that I'd sail with her and her bf down to Ft Myers so they could take my sailboat across Okeechobee and then to the bahamas. Unfortunately, I am spending the week repairing 29 year old electron microscopes because I cannot afford to buy new ones. Consider that a new one would probably cost a min of $250,000 and I bought these for the cost of shipping ($2200) and repaired them for nearly nothing, I am ahead. B'leve it or not, I got em on E-bay. They both worked well for the past 3 years too. Eisboch: If you run across any surplus turbo-pumps, let me know. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On May 15, 10:28 am, wrote: On May 15, 10:24 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! Yes, I am supposed to be sailing across the Gulf right now. I told my 22 yr old daughter that I'd sail with her and her bf down to Ft Myers so they could take my sailboat across Okeechobee and then to the bahamas. Unfortunately, I am spending the week repairing 29 year old electron microscopes because I cannot afford to buy new ones. Consider that a new one would probably cost a min of $250,000 and I bought these for the cost of shipping ($2200) and repaired them for nearly nothing, I am ahead. B'leve it or not, I got em on E-bay. They both worked well for the past 3 years too. Eisboch: If you run across any surplus turbo-pumps, let me know. Gee, if I had a physician that cut corners the way you do...I'd find another physician. "Yes, we rebuilt that lab equipment that we bought on ebay from a shut-down Mcdonalds...that sterilizer? Used to be a deep fryer." |
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On May 15, 11:02*am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 10:28 am, wrote: On May 15, 10:24 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. *Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? *Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! Yes, I am supposed to be sailing across the Gulf right now. *I told my 22 yr old daughter that I'd sail with her and her bf down to Ft Myers so they could take my sailboat across Okeechobee and then to the bahamas. *Unfortunately, I am spending the week repairing 29 year old electron microscopes because I cannot afford to buy new ones. Consider that a new one would probably cost a min of $250,000 and I bought these for the cost of shipping ($2200) and repaired them for nearly nothing, I am ahead. *B'leve it or not, I got em on E-bay. They both worked well for the past 3 years too. Eisboch: *If you run across any surplus turbo-pumps, let me know. Gee, if I had a physician that cut corners the way you do...I'd find another physician. "Yes, we rebuilt that lab equipment that we bought on ebay from a shut-down Mcdonalds...that sterilizer? Used to be a deep fryer." Well Duh, but I am not a physician,I am an inventor. As soon as I show that something works I license it to a bigger company who does a good job of making it really work well. |
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:33:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: Well Duh, but I am not a physician,I am an inventor. As soon as I show that something works I license it to a bigger company who does a good job of making it really work well. What did you think about the geared can opener? By that I mean manual opener, with geared cutter and tooth driver. I don't think the inventor got due credit for that. Much more impressive than the pop-top as far as I'm concerned. Have you seen that springy little strip that attaches to your nose and keeps the sides from collapsing while you sleep? Supposed to prevent snoring and ease breathing for those whose nose sides collapse while they sleep. I've seen the ads on TV and it looks to be a success. Reminds me somehow about "The Jerk" and the eye-glasse handles. But this one is no joke. I'd like to invent something. Where do you get your ideas? Don't say Schenectady. --Vic |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 15, 12:33*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 15, 11:02*am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 10:28 am, wrote: On May 15, 10:24 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. *Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? *Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! Yes, I am supposed to be sailing across the Gulf right now. *I told my 22 yr old daughter that I'd sail with her and her bf down to Ft Myers so they could take my sailboat across Okeechobee and then to the bahamas. *Unfortunately, I am spending the week repairing 29 year old electron microscopes because I cannot afford to buy new ones. Consider that a new one would probably cost a min of $250,000 and I bought these for the cost of shipping ($2200) and repaired them for nearly nothing, I am ahead. *B'leve it or not, I got em on E-bay. They both worked well for the past 3 years too. Eisboch: *If you run across any surplus turbo-pumps, let me know. Gee, if I had a physician that cut corners the way you do...I'd find another physician. "Yes, we rebuilt that lab equipment that we bought on ebay from a shut-down Mcdonalds...that sterilizer? Used to be a deep fryer." Well Duh, but I am not a physician,I am an inventor. *As soon as I show that something works I license it to a bigger company who does a good job of making it really work well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What that stupid idiot Harry doesn't know is that hospitals, doctors offices and labs use refurbished equipment all of the time! As a matter of fact, I know someone who has a company that does nothing BUT refurbish medical equipment. Right down to the thing they use for a colonoscopy! You'd think he'd know that, what with his wife being a Dr. Dr. Do a web search and you'll come up with thousands of companies in the U.S. that rebuild equipment. Harry's post sure made him look stupid(er)! |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 15, 12:58*pm, wrote:
On May 15, 12:33*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 11:02*am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 10:28 am, wrote: On May 15, 10:24 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On May 15, 8:50 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: The automatic reaper invented by McKormick greatly increased the yields from farms. Of course it makes the grain grow better, just knowing what lies ahead. Casady Amazing the twists and turns posts here take... * :) The point is that it is one thing to be "just wrong" and another to be as willfully ignorant as HK is. *Every day you should wake up and thank God for producing the "greedy capitalists" who have made your life possible. Bull****. Capitalism has its place, but the sort of "greedy capitalism" since the 1980s does not. I'm as much for businesses making reasonable profits as anyone else, but rapacious capitalism? No. That's the sort of capitalism that brings us the Love Canal, Enron, George W. Bush, the failure of our economic system, et cetera. Hey...shouldn't you be out building or repairing something else that will fall apart under you? *Or planning to cross the Gulf of Mexico on a surfboard you built from leftover orange crates with a sail made of recycled green trashbags? * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Amazing. An alleged mechanical engineer that insults anyone who likes to, and takes pride in making things, fixing things, etc. Gee he's the only alleged engineer that I know that won't touch anything mechanical.....!!! Yes, I am supposed to be sailing across the Gulf right now. *I told my 22 yr old daughter that I'd sail with her and her bf down to Ft Myers so they could take my sailboat across Okeechobee and then to the bahamas. *Unfortunately, I am spending the week repairing 29 year old electron microscopes because I cannot afford to buy new ones. Consider that a new one would probably cost a min of $250,000 and I bought these for the cost of shipping ($2200) and repaired them for nearly nothing, I am ahead. *B'leve it or not, I got em on E-bay. They both worked well for the past 3 years too. Eisboch: *If you run across any surplus turbo-pumps, let me know. Gee, if I had a physician that cut corners the way you do...I'd find another physician. "Yes, we rebuilt that lab equipment that we bought on ebay from a shut-down Mcdonalds...that sterilizer? Used to be a deep fryer." Well Duh, but I am not a physician,I am an inventor. *As soon as I show that something works I license it to a bigger company who does a good job of making it really work well.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What that stupid idiot Harry doesn't know is that hospitals, doctors offices and labs use refurbished equipment all of the time! As a matter of fact, I know someone who has a company that does nothing BUT refurbish medical equipment. Right down to the thing they use for a colonoscopy! You'd think he'd know that, what with his wife being a Dr. Dr. Do a web search and you'll come up with thousands of companies in the U.S. that rebuild equipment. Harry's post sure made him look stupid(er)! I agree Vic, the geared can opener is a masterpiece of good design and every time I use one I wonder how the idea came to its inventor, did he try other things first? Consider the old type of can opener where you stab the can and then wiggle it up and down making an extremely sharp jagged edge, AWFUL. How did this guy manage to think so far out of the mainstream to come up with the geared opener. Remember when the pop top was being perfected and they tried various designs? Do you remember the Coors cans that had two holes you pushed in with your finger but they cut some peoples fingers? I have heard the springy strip thing works for snorers. However, since I have rarely had to deal with someone who snores I never considered it. Right now, my youngest daughter has been diagnosed with Type I diabetes so we are doing the finger prick 4X a day and the insulin injections. Some of the gadgets they have to make this easy are kinda cool and it has gotten me thinking of things to make this whole process easier. Thinking about this actually is distracting me from work I am currently being paid to do. I think all people can invent things but they think it is somehow a special talent. In the USA, our govt actually encourages invention by individuals by making the patent process almost reasonable whereas most countries discourage patents by individuals in favor of them being submitted by large companies. I think the diff shows in our economy vs theirs. Some people can "invent on demand", that is, they are asked to invent something to solve a problem and so they do. I cannot do that at all. Instead, i fill my head with all the techie stuff I can by skimming tech journals and then I do something so the concepts can randomely swirl round and round until two fit together and then it's "EUREKA". This mostly happens when I am going for a walk or sailing , etc. My only natural talent is doing this and so I do not lack for ideas at all. What I lack is an attention span that would allow me to fully develop things because I am constantly jumping from one thing to another. Right now, I am almost regretting the diabetes ideas because they will distract me from my x-ray work. So, if you have a good idea, I encourage you to consider patenting it. Go onto the USPTO website and use their search mechanism and look for old patents that might cover your idea. Do not get discouraged. My first attempt to patent something was for an anti- fouling that could be applied underwater but a patent search revealed it was done years ago. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: I agree Vic, the geared can opener is a masterpiece of good design and every time I use one I wonder how the idea came to its inventor, did he try other things first? Consider the old type of can opener where you stab the can and then wiggle it up and down making an extremely sharp jagged edge, AWFUL. How did this guy manage to think so far out of the mainstream to come up with the geared opener. I seem to recall the geared cutting wheel can opener came out after electric can openers. Maybe he just applied the electric concept, which used a geared cutting wheel, to a manual opener. What I remember is the up-and-down cutter you mentioned, then some years of a turning wing opener with a fixed cutting blade and a gear driving the can. Usually slipped badly because the fixed cutter was crap. Then came the geared cutting wheel. With beefed up handle too. Easy as pie. Remember when the pop top was being perfected and they tried various designs? Do you remember the Coors cans that had two holes you pushed in with your finger but they cut some peoples fingers? Can't say I do. But I recall some progression to where we are. Like pulling the whole tab off, with its sharp edges. I have heard the springy strip thing works for snorers. However, since I have rarely had to deal with someone who snores I never considered it. Right now, my youngest daughter has been diagnosed with Type I diabetes so we are doing the finger prick 4X a day and the insulin injections. Some of the gadgets they have to make this easy are kinda cool and it has gotten me thinking of things to make this whole process easier. Thinking about this actually is distracting me from work I am currently being paid to do. I think all people can invent things but they think it is somehow a special talent. In the USA, our govt actually encourages invention by individuals by making the patent process almost reasonable whereas most countries discourage patents by individuals in favor of them being submitted by large companies. I think the diff shows in our economy vs theirs. Some people can "invent on demand", that is, they are asked to invent something to solve a problem and so they do. I cannot do that at all. Instead, i fill my head with all the techie stuff I can by skimming tech journals and then I do something so the concepts can randomely swirl round and round until two fit together and then it's "EUREKA". This mostly happens when I am going for a walk or sailing , etc. My only natural talent is doing this and so I do not lack for ideas at all. What I lack is an attention span that would allow me to fully develop things because I am constantly jumping from one thing to another. Right now, I am almost regretting the diabetes ideas because they will distract me from my x-ray work. So, if you have a good idea, I encourage you to consider patenting it. Go onto the USPTO website and use their search mechanism and look for old patents that might cover your idea. Do not get discouraged. My first attempt to patent something was for an anti- fouling that could be applied underwater but a patent search revealed it was done years ago. I'm going to remember your words next time I go fishing. I'll try to read some stuff first, so there's something in my head to mix up. Maybe some boating-related stuff. Or maybe household, to invent something the homemaker could use. Got an idea already, but it's a secret. I'd like to see you invent something your daughter would use to ease her diabetes travails. But don't let your business go bust thinking about it. --Vic |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
On May 15, 1:55*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I agree Vic, the geared can opener is a masterpiece of good design and every time I use one I wonder how the idea came to its inventor, did he try other things first? *Consider the old type of can opener where you stab the can and then wiggle it up and down making an extremely sharp jagged edge, AWFUL. *How did this guy manage to think so far out of the mainstream to come up with the geared opener. I seem to recall the geared cutting wheel can opener came out after electric can openers. *Maybe he just applied the electric concept, which used a geared cutting wheel, to a manual opener. What I remember is the up-and-down cutter you mentioned, then some years of a turning wing opener with a fixed cutting blade and a gear driving the can. *Usually slipped badly because the fixed cutter was crap. *Then came the geared cutting wheel. *With beefed up handle too.. Easy as pie. Remember when the pop top was being perfected and they tried various designs? *Do you remember the Coors cans that had two holes you pushed in with your finger but they cut some peoples fingers? Can't say I do. *But I recall some progression to where we are. Like pulling the whole tab off, with its sharp edges. I have heard the springy strip thing works for snorers. *However, since I have rarely had to deal with someone who snores I never considered it. Right now, my youngest daughter has been diagnosed with Type I diabetes so we are doing the finger prick 4X a day and the insulin injections. *Some of the gadgets they have to make this easy are kinda cool and it has gotten me thinking of things to make this whole process easier. *Thinking about this actually is distracting me from work I am currently being paid to do. I think all people can invent things but they think it is somehow a special talent. *In the USA, our govt actually encourages invention by individuals by making the patent process almost reasonable whereas most countries discourage patents by individuals in favor of them being submitted by large companies. *I think the diff shows in our economy vs theirs. Some people can "invent on demand", that is, they are asked to invent something to solve a problem and so they do. *I cannot do that at all. *Instead, i fill my head with all the techie stuff I can by skimming tech journals and then I do something so the concepts can randomely swirl round and round until two fit together and then it's "EUREKA". *This mostly happens when I am going for a walk or sailing , etc. My only natural talent is doing this and so I do not lack for ideas at all. *What I lack is an attention span that would allow me to fully develop things because I am constantly jumping from one thing to another. *Right now, I am almost regretting the diabetes ideas because they will distract me from my x-ray work. So, if you have a good idea, I encourage you to consider patenting it. *Go onto the USPTO website and use their search *mechanism and look for old patents that might cover your idea. *Do not get discouraged. *My first attempt to patent something was for an anti- fouling that could be applied underwater but a patent search revealed it was done years ago. I'm going to remember your words next time I go fishing. I'll try to read some stuff first, so there's something in my head to mix up. *Maybe some boating-related stuff. Or maybe household, to invent something the homemaker could use. Got an idea already, but it's a secret. I'd like to see you invent something your daughter would use to ease her diabetes travails. *But don't let your business go bust thinking about it. --Vic- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One time I had this very vivid dream about something I invented. I woke up and thought to myself, this is it! Perfect, I MUST remember this, and promptly fell back asleep. All I can remember is that what I dreamed would revolutionize the way work is done in my area of expertise. That's all. They say that you should keep pen and paper by your bed to write the stuff down as soon as your eyes open. I didn't. STILL think about it, and it's never came back. |
Is Our Sort of Greedy Capitalism the Answer?
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