"I think I killed somebody"
 

Good thing Phil Spector liked guns and booze. Otherwise, this woman
might still be looking for work.


Spector, 69, who had long lived in seclusion at his suburban Alhambra
"castle," was out on the town in Hollywood when he met Clarkson on
Feb. 3, 2003, at the House of Blues. The tall, blond actress, recently
turned 40 and unable to find acting work, had taken a job as a
hostess. When the club closed in the wee hours, she accepted a
chauffeured ride to Spector's home for a drink. Three hours later, she
was dead.

Spector's chauffeur, the key witness, said he heard a gunshot, then
saw Spector emerge holding a gun and heard him say: "I think I killed
somebody."

Defense attorney Doron Weinberg disputed whether the chauffeur
remembered the words accurately. In closing arguments, Weinberg listed
14 points of forensic evidence including blood spatter, gunshot
residue and DNA, which he said were proof of a self-inflicted wound.

"It's very difficult to put a gun in somebody's mouth," he said.

"Every single fact says this is a self-inflicted gunshot wound,"
Weinberg argued. "How do you ignore it? How do you say this could have
been a homicide?"

But prosecutors portrayed Spector as a dangerous man who became a
"demonic maniac" when he drank and had a history of threatening women
with guns. They also contended blood spatter evidence proved that
Clarkson could not have shot herself.

As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old — 31 years in one instance.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Apr 13, 6:50*pm, jps whined:


As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old — 31 years in one instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Authorities say Adolf Stegbauer died Monday, four days after an
argument escalated into the fight with 39-year-old Christopher
Rondeau.

Police said Stegbauer's death had been ruled a homicide.

Stegbauer's 77-year-old sister-in-law, Franziska, was fatally stabbed
while trying to break up the fight.

Rondeau, who is her grandson, also was wounded.

Rondeau was being held on preliminary charges of attempted murder and
police Lt. Dawn Snyder said amended charges were being prepared.

Investigators said one of the weapons was a World War II-era Japanese
sword with a thin blade.

Now, for fun, let's look up more knife, club, automobile, plastic bag,
and plain old strangling murders, shall we?

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 6:50*pm, jps whined:


As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old — 31 years in one instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Your logic continues to impress.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Apr 13, 7:32*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:50*pm, jps whined:

As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old — 31 years in one instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. *But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! *Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. *In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Earth to jps... people have been murdering and committing suicide long
before firearms ever existed. Bad, and disturbed people have existed
since the beginning of time, and have used whatever weapons were
available to them. That's my point, but you're too dense to pick up
on it.

Of course, liberals are the cause of the problem. Those single parent
families you champion? They are the source of over 80% of the people
in prison for violent crime. Your liberal "values" have so screwed up
society, that you now feel you have to totally disarm them to keep
them from killing each other, and you. Where does it all end?
Sitting in some little climate controlled room, waiting for the
government to dole out today's portion of soylent green? That's a
liberal's wet dream... for everyone else but yourself, of course.

You've again grown quite tiresome, and are changing no one's mind.
Now tell us about your boat, or go take a long walk... on a short
pier. Go play in the park, after dark. In other words, **** off.

Just Plain Stupid, indeed. :-)

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:32*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:50*pm, jps whined:

As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old — 31 years in one instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. *But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! *Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. *In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Earth to jps... people have been murdering and committing suicide long
before firearms ever existed. Bad, and disturbed people have existed
since the beginning of time, and have used whatever weapons were
available to them. That's my point, but you're too dense to pick up
on it.

Of course, liberals are the cause of the problem. Those single parent
families you champion? They are the source of over 80% of the people
in prison for violent crime. Your liberal "values" have so screwed up
society, that you now feel you have to totally disarm them to keep
them from killing each other, and you. Where does it all end?
Sitting in some little climate controlled room, waiting for the
government to dole out today's portion of soylent green? That's a
liberal's wet dream... for everyone else but yourself, of course.

You've again grown quite tiresome, and are changing no one's mind.
Now tell us about your boat, or go take a long walk... on a short
pier. Go play in the park, after dark. In other words, **** off.

Just Plain Stupid, indeed. :-)

You cannot fathom that a gun is a far more efficient tool to a sword?
How about a V8 vs. an oar? Make any sense? Think the V8 might get
you there faster?

You think if guns hadn't been invented that swords, rope, pencils,
high buiildings and bicyles would account for 15,000 murders and an
equal number of suicides per year?

If your answer is yes then I suggest your brain is fried and you look
into any science that'd regenerate some of the synapses that you've
either lost or had never formed.

I don't champion single parent families although I do feel for them.
You've put words into my mouth which is standard for not being able to
articulate an argument.

Where it ends is with you sitting in your media room realizing the
world has gone to ****, putting a shiny weapon in your mouth and
joining the 55% of suicides by firearm.

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Apr 13, 8:38*pm, jps whined:


I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 8:38*pm, jps whined:


I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

You're living life as a scare pussy. Black man, mexican, illegal
immigrant, child rapist, home invaders, socialists, communists, ATF
agents and the left wing media are all comin' to getcha.

You're all bravado like the rest of the "conservatives" who need a
daddy god, a gun and the NRA to protect themselves. Thank god your
party is going down the ****ter.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:32 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:50 pm, jps whined:

As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old - 31 years in one
instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Earth to jps... people have been murdering and committing suicide long
before firearms ever existed. Bad, and disturbed people have existed
since the beginning of time, and have used whatever weapons were
available to them. That's my point, but you're too dense to pick up
on it.

Of course, liberals are the cause of the problem. Those single parent
families you champion? They are the source of over 80% of the people
in prison for violent crime. Your liberal "values" have so screwed up
society, that you now feel you have to totally disarm them to keep
them from killing each other, and you. Where does it all end?
Sitting in some little climate controlled room, waiting for the
government to dole out today's portion of soylent green? That's a
liberal's wet dream... for everyone else but yourself, of course.

You've again grown quite tiresome, and are changing no one's mind.
Now tell us about your boat, or go take a long walk... on a short
pier. Go play in the park, after dark. In other words, **** off.

Just Plain Stupid, indeed. :-)

You cannot fathom that a gun is a far more efficient tool to a sword?
How about a V8 vs. an oar? Make any sense? Think the V8 might get
you there faster?

You think if guns hadn't been invented that swords, rope, pencils,
high buiildings and bicyles would account for 15,000 murders and an
equal number of suicides per year?

If your answer is yes then I suggest your brain is fried and you look
into any science that'd regenerate some of the synapses that you've
either lost or had never formed.

I don't champion single parent families although I do feel for them.
You've put words into my mouth which is standard for not being able to
articulate an argument.

Where it ends is with you sitting in your media room realizing the
world has gone to ****, putting a shiny weapon in your mouth and
joining the 55% of suicides by firearm.

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

Probably having guns available causes a lot less deaths to happen annually
than without guns. When there were a lot less people, and the kings and
feudal rulers were about, there lots of deaths by hacking and hewing.
Percentage wise a lot more than we now have via guns.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Apr 13, 11:20*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:38*pm, jps whined:

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

You're living life as a scare pussy. *Black man, mexican, illegal
immigrant, child rapist, home invaders, socialists, communists, ATF
agents and the left wing media are all comin' to getcha. *

You're all bravado like the rest of the "conservatives" who need a
daddy god, *a gun and the NRA to protect themselves. *Thank god your
party is going down the ****ter.

JPS, for some reason you show a slight bit of jealousy to those
conservatives who can own a firearm, so therefore it seems you gain an
inner strength by barking your arrogant verbal assaults to those who
happen to have trust in a god of some sort, and take or at least have
no qualm with firearm ownership . Have you been turned down for a
license? And if so,was your State or Federal firearm permit
application rejected for reasons of schizo-paranoia ?

Your case is becoming interesting.

Cheers.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 8:38 pm, jps whined:


I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

You're living life as a scare pussy. Black man, mexican, illegal
immigrant, child rapist, home invaders, socialists, communists, ATF
agents and the left wing media are all comin' to getcha.

You're all bravado like the rest of the "conservatives" who need a
daddy god, a gun and the NRA to protect themselves. Thank god your
party is going down the ****ter.

So, in your opinion a person cannot be a true *liberal* and still own guns?

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:08:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 11:20*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:38*pm, jps whined:

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

You're living life as a scare pussy. *Black man, mexican, illegal
immigrant, child rapist, home invaders, socialists, communists, ATF
agents and the left wing media are all comin' to getcha. *

You're all bravado like the rest of the "conservatives" who need a
daddy god, *a gun and the NRA to protect themselves. *Thank god your
party is going down the ****ter.

JPS, for some reason you show a slight bit of jealousy to those
conservatives who can own a firearm, so therefore it seems you gain an
inner strength by barking your arrogant verbal assaults to those who
happen to have trust in a god of some sort, and take or at least have
no qualm with firearm ownership . Have you been turned down for a
license? And if so,was your State or Federal firearm permit
application rejected for reasons of schizo-paranoia ?

Your case is becoming interesting.

Cheers.

My choice is to not bring a deadly weapon into my household. I've
never applied for nor is there any reason that I'd be rejected for a
firearms permit.

I owned a six shot revolver when I was a young man. Used to shoot it
at cans in the desert when I lived in CA. I enjoy the precision
mechanism and build quality in guns, I don't like what they're
capabable of doing to human beings. I don't think they should be in
wide distribution. I think they shouldn't be sold privately and gun
shows should have to register each sale and each owner should have to
pass an FBI check.

Go look at the suicide and murder statistics with households that own
guns. While everyone sayd "hey, with training they're perfectly
safe." That's until someone makes a mistake, which seems to happen
all too frequently.

Plus, they're just a little too easy to depend on when a dispute needs
a resolution.

I didn't agree with Bush and Cheney going into Iraq with guns blazing
and history has proven that they were idiots to do so.

Guns are a cancer on our society.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:22:59 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 8:38 pm, jps whined:


I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

I'm living my life, and you're whining about guns on a boating NG.
You are the puss.

You're living life as a scare pussy. Black man, mexican, illegal
immigrant, child rapist, home invaders, socialists, communists, ATF
agents and the left wing media are all comin' to getcha.

You're all bravado like the rest of the "conservatives" who need a
daddy god, a gun and the NRA to protect themselves. Thank god your
party is going down the ****ter.

So, in your opinion a person cannot be a true *liberal* and still own guns?


Of course they can. I can imagine circumstances where I may want to
own a gun for protection if I were living in the boonies.

What's driving most folks to purchase guns is all the scare tactics.
Anarchy, godlessness, thugs, gaings, immigrants, the government all
being shoved down our throats like the red menace used to be.

James Dobson thinks we're rife with evil because we still perform
abortions and we're starting to allow same sex marriage.

The real hell on earth is equipping people to kill themselves and one
another long after they've made the trip down the birth canal.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:06:14 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:32 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:50 pm, jps whined:

As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old - 31 years in one
instance.

Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! Oh, wait...

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Earth to jps... people have been murdering and committing suicide long
before firearms ever existed. Bad, and disturbed people have existed
since the beginning of time, and have used whatever weapons were
available to them. That's my point, but you're too dense to pick up
on it.

Of course, liberals are the cause of the problem. Those single parent
families you champion? They are the source of over 80% of the people
in prison for violent crime. Your liberal "values" have so screwed up
society, that you now feel you have to totally disarm them to keep
them from killing each other, and you. Where does it all end?
Sitting in some little climate controlled room, waiting for the
government to dole out today's portion of soylent green? That's a
liberal's wet dream... for everyone else but yourself, of course.

You've again grown quite tiresome, and are changing no one's mind.
Now tell us about your boat, or go take a long walk... on a short
pier. Go play in the park, after dark. In other words, **** off.

Just Plain Stupid, indeed. :-)

You cannot fathom that a gun is a far more efficient tool to a sword?
How about a V8 vs. an oar? Make any sense? Think the V8 might get
you there faster?

You think if guns hadn't been invented that swords, rope, pencils,
high buiildings and bicyles would account for 15,000 murders and an
equal number of suicides per year?

If your answer is yes then I suggest your brain is fried and you look
into any science that'd regenerate some of the synapses that you've
either lost or had never formed.

I don't champion single parent families although I do feel for them.
You've put words into my mouth which is standard for not being able to
articulate an argument.

Where it ends is with you sitting in your media room realizing the
world has gone to ****, putting a shiny weapon in your mouth and
joining the 55% of suicides by firearm.

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.

Probably having guns available causes a lot less deaths to happen annually
than without guns. When there were a lot less people, and the kings and
feudal rulers were about, there lots of deaths by hacking and hewing.
Percentage wise a lot more than we now have via guns.

If you want to drift back to the middle ages I can see your point. It
was an ugly period and life wasn't worth a whole lot if you were in
someone's way.

I would hope you agree the human race has progressed some since then.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:06:14 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Probably having guns available causes a lot less deaths to happen annually
than without guns. When there were a lot less people, and the kings and
feudal rulers were about, there lots of deaths by hacking and hewing.
Percentage wise a lot more than we now have via guns.



If you want to drift back to the middle ages I can see your point. It
was an ugly period and life wasn't worth a whole lot if you were in
someone's way.



I would hope you agree the human race has progressed some since then.

I don't think we've progressed as much as you would like to think.
The underlining causes leading to violence remain. Our prisons are full of
people that have demonstrated that. The means of delivering it is what has
progressed.

I never had any interest in guns or firearms. Still don't really. Raising
three young kids in the house further influenced my choice not to have guns
around. But life's experiences, observations and frankly getting older has
changed my mind. As a young man I always fancied that I had the physical
capability to protect my home and it's occupants without the use of
firearms. Now, as I get older, think back to an experience I had as a
young man, read the daily accounts of robberies that include violence and
having had the experience of a break-in ourselves, my feelings have changed.
I now keep a firearm in the house now that the kids are all grown and on
their own. I don't use it as a hobby. I don't display it. In fact I
rarely even look at it. It's sole purpose is for protection of my wife and
I should the reason to use it ever present itself.

Eisboch

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"I think I killed somebody"
 

jps wrote:

My choice is to not bring a deadly weapon into my household. I've
never applied for nor is there any reason that I'd be rejected for a
firearms permit.

That's your choice. Now, don't you think folks should be able to make
their own choices without being subjected to your scorn. ( This trait
is, by the way, why you and Krause seem so much alike.)


I don't like what they're
capabable of doing to human beings.

What are they capable of doing that your sawdust crafting tools can't do?

I don't think they should be in
wide distribution. I think they shouldn't be sold privately and gun
shows should have to register each sale and each owner should have to
pass an FBI check.

Agreed

Plus, they're just a little too easy to depend on when a dispute needs
a resolution.

While you are getting the tar beat out of you, is probably when your
thinking will change and you will wish you had the capability to resolve
the dispute.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:06:14 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:32 pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:50 pm, jps whined:
As in the first trial, they presented testimony from five women who
told of being threatened by a drunken Spector, even held hostage in
his home, with a gun pointed at them and threats of death if they
tried to leave. The parallels with the night Clarkson died were
chilling even if the stories were very old - 31 years in one
instance.
Too bad the police didn't o their job over that 31 year period. But
hey, maybe if he just didn't have a gun! Oh, wait...
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Police in Indianapolis say a 69-year-old man is
the second person to die of injuries suffered in a sword fight with a
younger relative.
Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.
Earth to jps... people have been murdering and committing suicide long
before firearms ever existed. Bad, and disturbed people have existed
since the beginning of time, and have used whatever weapons were
available to them. That's my point, but you're too dense to pick up
on it.

Of course, liberals are the cause of the problem. Those single parent
families you champion? They are the source of over 80% of the people
in prison for violent crime. Your liberal "values" have so screwed up
society, that you now feel you have to totally disarm them to keep
them from killing each other, and you. Where does it all end?
Sitting in some little climate controlled room, waiting for the
government to dole out today's portion of soylent green? That's a
liberal's wet dream... for everyone else but yourself, of course.

You've again grown quite tiresome, and are changing no one's mind.
Now tell us about your boat, or go take a long walk... on a short
pier. Go play in the park, after dark. In other words, **** off.

Just Plain Stupid, indeed. :-)
You cannot fathom that a gun is a far more efficient tool to a sword?
How about a V8 vs. an oar? Make any sense? Think the V8 might get
you there faster?

You think if guns hadn't been invented that swords, rope, pencils,
high buiildings and bicyles would account for 15,000 murders and an
equal number of suicides per year?

If your answer is yes then I suggest your brain is fried and you look
into any science that'd regenerate some of the synapses that you've
either lost or had never formed.

I don't champion single parent families although I do feel for them.
You've put words into my mouth which is standard for not being able to
articulate an argument.

Where it ends is with you sitting in your media room realizing the
world has gone to ****, putting a shiny weapon in your mouth and
joining the 55% of suicides by firearm.

I'll live with life's challenges without the false comforts of a gun
that pussies like you require.
Probably having guns available causes a lot less deaths to happen annually
than without guns. When there were a lot less people, and the kings and
feudal rulers were about, there lots of deaths by hacking and hewing.
Percentage wise a lot more than we now have via guns.

If you want to drift back to the middle ages I can see your point. It
was an ugly period and life wasn't worth a whole lot if you were in
someone's way.

I would hope you agree the human race has progressed some since then.

The only thing that has changed has been efficiency.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"Jim22208" wrote in message
...

While you are getting the tar beat out of you, is probably when your
thinking will change and you will wish you had the capability to resolve
the dispute.



Or someone's taking aim on you. Or a loved one.

Eisboch

"I think I killed somebody"
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Jim22208" wrote in message
...

While you are getting the tar beat out of you, is probably when your
thinking will change and you will wish you had the capability to
resolve the dispute.



Or someone's taking aim on you. Or a loved one.

Eisboch

YES INDEED.

"I think I killed somebody"
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Jim22208" wrote in message
...

While you are getting the tar beat out of you, is probably when your
thinking will change and you will wish you had the capability to
resolve the dispute.



Or someone's taking aim on you. Or a loved one.

Eisboch


That must be why floridajim works so hard to remain in that undisclosed
location in florida...he's scared.





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(Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.)

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:32:58 -0700, jps wrote:

Yes, swords accounted for an extraordinary number of suicides and
murders over the last several decades. In the US, I'd bet the number
exceeds several dozen.

Guy ran amock with a sword on one of the NYC area ferries. A retired
cop had one of the rare NY concealed carry permits. He drew and killed
the swordsman.

Casady

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Apr 14, 8:01*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Jim22208" wrote in message
...

While you are getting the tar beat out of you, is probably when your
thinking will change and you will wish you had the capability to
resolve the dispute.

Or someone's taking aim on you. * Or a loved one.

Eisboch

That must be why floridajim works so hard to remain in that undisclosed
location in florida...he's scared.


What's your address again, Mr. Brave Harry?

"I think I killed somebody"
 

"I think I killed somebody"
 

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:53:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:06:14 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Probably having guns available causes a lot less deaths to happen annually
than without guns. When there were a lot less people, and the kings and
feudal rulers were about, there lots of deaths by hacking and hewing.
Percentage wise a lot more than we now have via guns.



If you want to drift back to the middle ages I can see your point. It
was an ugly period and life wasn't worth a whole lot if you were in
someone's way.



I would hope you agree the human race has progressed some since then.

I don't think we've progressed as much as you would like to think.
The underlining causes leading to violence remain. Our prisons are full of
people that have demonstrated that. The means of delivering it is what has
progressed.

Our prisons are filled with junkies, meth and crack addicts, pot
smokers and dealers, some of which are bad people, some of which got
caught up in the easiest game in town.

I live in a city where opportunity is limited by color. If you're a
smart human being, you find ways to be successful in whatever
opportunity presents itself. Some do that legally, others do whatever
it takes.

I never had any interest in guns or firearms. Still don't really. Raising
three young kids in the house further influenced my choice not to have guns
around. But life's experiences, observations and frankly getting older has
changed my mind. As a young man I always fancied that I had the physical
capability to protect my home and it's occupants without the use of
firearms. Now, as I get older, think back to an experience I had as a
young man, read the daily accounts of robberies that include violence and
having had the experience of a break-in ourselves, my feelings have changed.
I now keep a firearm in the house now that the kids are all grown and on
their own. I don't use it as a hobby. I don't display it. In fact I
rarely even look at it. It's sole purpose is for protection of my wife and
I should the reason to use it ever present itself.

I understand and agree. It's likely I'll feel the same when I get to
be your age. :)

However, the gun laws surrounding ownership are loose and it's allowed
a profusion of hardware to make it throughout society. They're too
easily obtained outside of the law's control and that's just plain
stupid and irresponsible, which would best describe the actions and
membership of the NRA.

Gun manufacturers have made a fortune while our citizenry are ever
more threatened by their products. Brilliant business plan.

"I think I killed somebody"