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SteveB[_2_] April 4th 09 02:37 AM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Steve



Eisboch[_4_] April 4th 09 03:09 AM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"SteveB" wrote in message
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What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Steve


About a hundred feet.



Wayne.B April 4th 09 03:32 AM

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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


A ship can carry a boat as cargo.

That's one definition that I've heard more than once.

The international rules of the road, and some CFRs, make a distinction
at 20 meters (65 feet). Boats 20 meters long or more are classed as
"Motor Vessels" and different rules apply in some cases. The CFRs
(Code of Federal Regulations) also have different rules based on
tonnage. Ships are generally many hundreds of tons but there is no
hard and fast rule that I am aware of.


[email protected] April 4th 09 03:56 AM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Apr 3, 9:37*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Steve


Same difference between Loogy, and a wet stick...ZIP.

[email protected] April 4th 09 12:57 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:32:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


A ship can carry a boat as cargo.

That's one definition that I've heard more than once.


I've heard it, too. It doesn't wash, though - Unless the U.S.S. Cole
is a boat. It was carried from where it was attacked to the repair
yard by another ship.

A ship is a vessel that is ship rigged.

Beyond that, I don't belive there is any specified line of demarcation
that distinguishes a boat from a ship.

Ship in modern usuage simply refers to a "large vessel".


Richard Casady April 4th 09 03:43 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady

Calif Bill April 4th 09 04:42 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Eddie" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:32:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


A ship can carry a boat as cargo.

That's one definition that I've heard more than once.

The international rules of the road, and some CFRs, make a distinction
at 20 meters (65 feet). Boats 20 meters long or more are classed as
"Motor Vessels" and different rules apply in some cases. The CFRs
(Code of Federal Regulations) also have different rules based on
tonnage. Ships are generally many hundreds of tons but there is no
hard and fast rule that I am aware of.

In the US Navy, a boat is always a submarine. All other floating
vessels are ships. For big stuff anywayz.
I remember the PT- "Boats." And skiffs. And shuttles. And of
course, row "boats."
Eddie


My buddy was a submariner, says there were boats (subs) and targets.



Don White April 4th 09 05:45 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a few
years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html



Wayne.B April 4th 09 06:20 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:43:16 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


They were originally known as U-boats by just about everyone.


Eisboch[_4_] April 4th 09 08:26 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:43:16 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


They were originally known as U-boats by just about everyone.


US subs were called "U" boats? Never new that.
I thought that name was related to the German submarines.

In my prior life in the ancient US Navy, they were always referred to simply
as "Boats".
I had a great experience spending a day on the post WWII sub "USS Pickerel"
while my ship was operating with it for a while testing some new gear.
Three of us transferred at sea from our ship (a Destroyer Escort) to the
Pickerel off the coast of GTMO and spent a day aboard doing several dives
and and an emergency accent. The transfer at sea wasn't exactly a piece of
cake. It was rough and the motor whaleboat (launch) that was trying to get
us onto the deck of the sub was bouncing around pretty good. I remember
having to time my jump from the launch perfectly and had to rely on the crew
members on the sub to grab me, otherwise I'd have been in the drink.

This "Pickerel" was of WWII design, built in 1949, diesel powered
obviously, and was the one featured in the opening scene of a TV series (the
name of which I have forgotten) in which it shoots out of the water, bow
high. I believe there was another USS Pickerel in the early years of WWII
that was sunk and lost.

This site has pictures of it doing an emergency accent similar to that in
the TV series introduction.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...sh-p/ss524.htm

Eisboch



John H[_2_] April 4th 09 09:22 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:26:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:43:16 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


They were originally known as U-boats by just about everyone.


US subs were called "U" boats? Never new that.
I thought that name was related to the German submarines.

In my prior life in the ancient US Navy, they were always referred to simply
as "Boats".
I had a great experience spending a day on the post WWII sub "USS Pickerel"
while my ship was operating with it for a while testing some new gear.
Three of us transferred at sea from our ship (a Destroyer Escort) to the
Pickerel off the coast of GTMO and spent a day aboard doing several dives
and and an emergency accent. The transfer at sea wasn't exactly a piece of
cake. It was rough and the motor whaleboat (launch) that was trying to get
us onto the deck of the sub was bouncing around pretty good. I remember
having to time my jump from the launch perfectly and had to rely on the crew
members on the sub to grab me, otherwise I'd have been in the drink.

This "Pickerel" was of WWII design, built in 1949, diesel powered
obviously, and was the one featured in the opening scene of a TV series (the
name of which I have forgotten) in which it shoots out of the water, bow
high. I believe there was another USS Pickerel in the early years of WWII
that was sunk and lost.

This site has pictures of it doing an emergency accent similar to that in
the TV series introduction.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...sh-p/ss524.htm

Eisboch

I've always believed the U-Boat was a German submarine. The 'U'
meaning 'Untersee', if I'm not mistaken.

--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Don White April 5th 09 08:14 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a few
years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the contract to
maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html



SteveB[_2_] April 6th 09 03:03 AM

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www.boat-ed.com/ wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?
Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady
Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a
free ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html

Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would
be able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Mr. White,

It is a sad state of affairs when it makes sense to send subs to the other
side of the continent, rather than service them in the Maritime
providence. Of course the local company has a lawsuit pending, and it
will be interesting to see if the lawsuit has any merit. I would guess
that even Canadian politicians are smart enough to have documentation to
validate the reason it makes sense to send the boats to the west coast
rather then service them in their home ports. I would guess they have
better educated employees with a much higher work ethic than they have in
the Maritime Providence. From what I have seen in this group, you seem to
blame all of your problems on everyone else, it is NEVER your fault. Your
logic seem to reinforce the belief among most of the regulars that you are
one of the duller bulbs in the chandelier.

--
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http://www.boat-ed.com/

Safe boating courses will not only improve your water safety and boating
skills, they will also qualify you for a discount on your PWC or boat
insurance with most insurance providers. Just send a copy of your boating
safety certificate to your insurance agent and start receiving the
savings!


Hold your phone calls, folks,s. We have a winner!



Calif Bill April 6th 09 07:33 AM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a few
years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".



Calif Bill April 6th 09 09:59 AM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Mostly size.

Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.

Casady

Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Maybe it was educational reasons. Or the Crown Corp. employees are a
hindrance.



[email protected] April 6th 09 01:08 PM

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On Apr 6, 4:59*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
om...


"Don White" wrote in message
. ..


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.


Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast..
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Maybe it was educational reasons. *Or the Crown Corp. employees are a
hindrance.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Damned public servants.....

Don White April 6th 09 02:00 PM

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wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 4:59 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
om...


"Don White" wrote in message
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.


Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least
are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a
free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would
be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the
contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Maybe it was educational reasons. Or the Crown Corp. employees are a
hindrance.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Damned public servants.....

************************************************** ******

Thay could teach you a thing or two about an 'honest days work'!



~^ beancounter ~^ April 6th 09 02:55 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Apr 3, 7:37*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Steve



size....you can put a boat on a ship......

HK April 6th 09 02:56 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
On Apr 3, 7:37 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
What's the difference between a boat and a ship?

Steve



size....you can put a boat on a ship......



Nah...you can put a ship on a ship, too.

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

Don White April 6th 09 03:08 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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*Thay* could teach you a thing or two about an 'honest days work'!


better make that ... *they*



[email protected] April 6th 09 04:20 PM

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On Apr 6, 9:00*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Apr 6, 4:59 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:





"Don White" wrote in message


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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.


Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least
are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a
free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would
be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the
contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Maybe it was educational reasons. Or the Crown Corp. employees are a
hindrance.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Damned public servants.....

************************************************** ******

Thay could teach you a thing or two about an 'honest days work'!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Are you going to lie to everyone here and tell them that you have
"facts" about my work? Might as well, you've proven to everyone here
that you're a liar when it comes to those "facts".

[email protected] April 6th 09 04:21 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Apr 6, 10:08*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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*Thay* could teach you a thing or two about an 'honest days work'!


*better make that ... *they*


Amazing!!! The first person to jump on someone for misspelling
something has to correct his own blather!

Calif Bill April 7th 09 10:59 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 4:59 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
om...


"Don White" wrote in message
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:37:33 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


What's the difference between a boat and a ship?


Mostly size.


Traditionally boats are carried on the deck of a ship, or at least
are
small enough to do so. 100 feet is a boat: 200+ is a ship. These
semisubmersibles that can carry a full sized ship, the Cole comes to
mind, blur the original distinction. Also traditionally, the crews
of
US subs call their ships " boats ".The fact that the Electric Boat
Company built so many subs may have something to do with it, I don't
really know.


Casady


Here'a one of the 'lemon' subs we bought from the British getting a
free
ride again.
After it's fire off the coast of Britain, it was carried to Halifax a
few years ago.
Now it has hitched a $2 + million ride from Halifax to the west
coast.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1114504.html


Maybe if your schools were better and the people could read, you would
be
able to fix boats in the "Maritime Provinces".


Shows how much you know Kalif Swill..... er Bill.
We have a first rate shipyard here but for political reasons the
contract
to maintain our subs was given to a west coast shipyard.
The local company has a lawsuit pending.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/novascotia/...ving-subs.html


Maybe it was educational reasons. Or the Crown Corp. employees are a
hindrance.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Damned public servants.....

************************************************** ******

Thay could teach you a thing or two about an 'honest days work'!


Yes they could. All serve as an example. Some good, some bad. And from
what I see from most government offices, it is the latter example.



Richard Casady April 7th 09 01:21 PM

VERY technical question, not for the squeamish ..........
 
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Amazing!!! The first person to jump on someone for misspelling
something has to correct his own blather!


It is almost a rule that spelling and grammar flames must contain at
least one such error.

Casady


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