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SteveB[_2_] March 14th 09 04:04 AM

Wrong book?
 
I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is the
90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or just not
the best book?

Book 1
Shipping estimate for these items: March 23, 2009 - March 26, 2009

1 "Mercury Outboard Shop Manual 3.5-40 Hp 1972-1989 (Includes
Electric Motors)"
Randy Stephens; Paperback; $29.16

Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC


Book 2
90-814676R1

The ad is somewhat ambiguous, stating this is the "Mercury Outboard
Shop Manual." I have seen those go for as much as $86, have a grey cover,
and look to be about three times as thick. The book from Amazon does fall
within the parameters for my engine serial number.

It's always something.

Steve





Dave Brown March 14th 09 02:05 PM

Wrong book?
 
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is the
90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or just not
the best book?


The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

RG March 15th 09 04:27 PM

Wrong book?
 

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?


The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/



SteveB[_2_] March 15th 09 09:18 PM

Wrong book?
 

"RG" wrote in message
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"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?


The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

STeve



RG March 15th 09 09:41 PM

Wrong book?
 

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
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"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Yeah, I'm getting that as well. It's been a while, but I've definitely
ordered Mercruiser owner's manuals as well as the real deal service shop
manuals for my stern drives and engines over the years. I remember the last
time there was some ambiguity regarding which manuals for my serial numbers,
so I called Mercruiser and we completed the transaction over the phone.
Everything showed up in a white box at my doorstep a few days later.



Eisboch[_4_] March 15th 09 09:53 PM

Wrong book?
 

"RG" wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
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"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:H4KdnQk4eLeMNibUnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it
is the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong
book, or just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Yeah, I'm getting that as well. It's been a while, but I've definitely
ordered Mercruiser owner's manuals as well as the real deal service shop
manuals for my stern drives and engines over the years. I remember the
last time there was some ambiguity regarding which manuals for my serial
numbers, so I called Mercruiser and we completed the transaction over the
phone. Everything showed up in a white box at my doorstep a few days
later.


I just tried the link for kicks. Worked fine. No "Access Denied".

Eisboch


Vic Smith March 15th 09 10:36 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:18:48 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:H4KdnQk4eLeMNibUnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.

--Vic


thunder March 15th 09 10:45 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:53:52 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I just tried the link for kicks. Worked fine. No "Access Denied".



Works for me too. Maybe the computer is off to church on Sunday
mornings. ;-)

John H[_2_] March 15th 09 11:19 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:18:48 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:H4KdnQk4eLeMNibUnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.

--Vic


I get access denied also, on both IE and Mozilla.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Wayne.B March 15th 09 11:20 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.


There's something odd going on because I can get into it OK and I'm
definitely not a dealer. :-)


John H[_2_] March 15th 09 11:23 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:20:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/

I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.


There's something odd going on because I can get into it OK and I'm
definitely not a dealer. :-)


I get the 'access denied' when I try to click on the 'outboards'
section of the manuals and books page. No problem getting as far as
that though.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

SteveB[_2_] March 15th 09 11:43 PM

Wrong book?
 

"RG" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:H4KdnQk4eLeMNibUnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it
is the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong
book, or just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Yeah, I'm getting that as well. It's been a while, but I've definitely
ordered Mercruiser owner's manuals as well as the real deal service shop
manuals for my stern drives and engines over the years. I remember the
last time there was some ambiguity regarding which manuals for my serial
numbers, so I called Mercruiser and we completed the transaction over the
phone. Everything showed up in a white box at my doorstep a few days
later.


I guess now I understand why the prices are all over the map. The one I
sent for was $29, and from the factory, they are around $70. This one said
"official mercury", so I'll take a look, but believe for that price, I will
be sending it back "not as advertised." I bought it on Amazon with a CC.

Steve



SteveB[_2_] March 15th 09 11:46 PM

Wrong book?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:H4KdnQk4eLeMNibUnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it
is the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong
book, or just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/

I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Yeah, I'm getting that as well. It's been a while, but I've definitely
ordered Mercruiser owner's manuals as well as the real deal service shop
manuals for my stern drives and engines over the years. I remember the
last time there was some ambiguity regarding which manuals for my serial
numbers, so I called Mercruiser and we completed the transaction over the
phone. Everything showed up in a white box at my doorstep a few days
later.


I just tried the link for kicks. Worked fine. No "Access Denied".

Eisboch


I live in Utah, and they have funny laws and energy vortices regarding
working on Sundays. But they DID change the liquor laws the other day,
taking effect on July 1. It will clear up some of the archaic procedures
regarding bars around here, but not a lot. Just gets rid of the private
club thing. The state still owns the liquor stores, and they look down on
drinking, so charge high prices. They don't like drinking, but they don't
mind the high tax revenue. You can't hardly buy real beer. Just watered
down beer.

Steve



SteveB[_2_] March 15th 09 11:48 PM

Wrong book?
 

"Eisboch" wrote

I just tried the link for kicks. Worked fine. No "Access Denied".

Eisboch


Just tried it again. That's "Access Denied!" Notice the exclamation mark.

Steve



HK March 15th 09 11:48 PM

Wrong book?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/
I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.


There's something odd going on because I can get into it OK and I'm
definitely not a dealer. :-)





snerk


--
Appearing via Thunderbird on an iMac 3.06
or a Macbook Pro 2.4, running Mac OS 10.56,
*or* Microsoft VISTA through BootCamp.

[email protected] March 15th 09 11:55 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:20:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:36:42 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/

I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.

Hey, I get access denied too.
Maybe because I'm not a dealer.


There's something odd going on because I can get into it OK and I'm
definitely not a dealer. :-)


I get right in. No problem.

SteveB[_2_] March 16th 09 12:00 AM

Wrong book?
 
Checked my order, and it was a "Mercury Outboard Shop Manual 3.5-40hp
1972-1989 (Includes Electric Motors) I was suspicious of the shipping fee
of $3.99, as any book that covered that many motors would weigh about 16#.
So, it has to be just a short section on each motor. I cancelled my order.

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.

Advice? Clues?

Steve



RG March 16th 09 12:11 AM

Wrong book?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it
is the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong
book, or just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/

I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Yeah, I'm getting that as well. It's been a while, but I've definitely
ordered Mercruiser owner's manuals as well as the real deal service shop
manuals for my stern drives and engines over the years. I remember the
last time there was some ambiguity regarding which manuals for my serial
numbers, so I called Mercruiser and we completed the transaction over the
phone. Everything showed up in a white box at my doorstep a few days
later.


I just tried the link for kicks. Worked fine. No "Access Denied".


You didn't drill deep enough. After clicking "Manuals and How Tos", then
oh, say "Sterndrive/Inboard", then "Gas Engines", you will then get the
message. It's like deciding exactly what you want for dinner on the menu
after much thought, only to be told by the waiter that they're out of that
selection this evening. Bummer.

However, me thinks that was a bogus selection anyway. Here's the real deal.
This goes to Mercury Publications, where I remember ordering my manuals.

https://appcenter.mercurymarine.com/litreq/

RG



RG March 16th 09 12:12 AM

Wrong book?
 

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"RG" wrote in message
...

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

I think I may have messed up. This is the book I ordered. Below it is
the 90-# that was suggested to me to buy. Did I get the wrong book, or
just not the best book?

The only place you can order the proper OEM service manual, to my
knowledge, is from a Mercury dealer.



Actually, you can also order them direct from Mercury online.

http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/


I get ERROR - ACCESS DENIED. I bookmarked it, and will try again later.


Me too. Go here instead. I gave you a bum steer.

https://appcenter.mercurymarine.com/litreq/





RG March 16th 09 12:26 AM

Wrong book?
 

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Checked my order, and it was a "Mercury Outboard Shop Manual 3.5-40hp
1972-1989 (Includes Electric Motors) I was suspicious of the shipping fee
of $3.99, as any book that covered that many motors would weigh about 16#.
So, it has to be just a short section on each motor. I cancelled my
order.

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.

Advice? Clues?


It's a boat, dude. Anytime you can accomplish anything for less than a
C-note, drop to your knees and thank whatever God you pray to.



Vic Smith March 16th 09 01:13 AM

Wrong book?
 
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:57 -0400, John H
wrote:

I get the 'access denied' when I try to click on the 'outboards'
section of the manuals and books page. No problem getting as far as
that though.


Yep. I suspect it's the same for everybody.
Except the dealers.
BTW, ebay might be a good place for shop manuals.
I have a set for all my cars. Paid anywhere from 20 to 50 bucks on
ebay for the 2-volume sets.
These are the same "factory" manuals the dealers use for servicing.
Big difference from the aftermarket books if you want to get into it.
Probably harder to get outboard manuals than Chevy manuals though.

--Vic

Dave Brown March 16th 09 12:29 PM

Wrong book?
 
SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?


It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what
the aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll
have paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

SteveB[_2_] March 16th 09 01:01 PM

Wrong book?
 

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?


It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/


My dad had Chilton's. A bunch of them. He was a master machinist, a hell
of a good mechanic, and he was a flight engineer in the USAC during WW2. I
used to just look through those like encyclopedias. I think that would be
the difference between a quality book and a el cheapo manual.

Steve



RG March 16th 09 01:07 PM

Wrong book?
 

"Dave Brown" wrote in message
news:n5SdnQjaFKc6qiPUnZ2dnUVZ_j6WnZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...
SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?


It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.


Absolutely. There's the OEM manuals, and then there's everything else. A
comparison of the two isn't even possible.



[email protected] March 16th 09 02:14 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Mar 16, 9:01*am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Dave Brown" wrote in message

news:n5SdnQjaFKc6qiPUnZ2dnUVZ_j6WnZ2d@wtccommunica tions.ca...

SteveB wrote:


Will get back to investigating this. *It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! *Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? *Clues?


It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.


--
Regards,
* * *Dave Brown
* * *Brown's Marina Ltd
* * *http://brownsmarina.com/


My dad had Chilton's. *A bunch of them. *He was a master machinist, a hell
of a good mechanic, and he was a flight engineer in the USAC during WW2. *I
used to just look through those like encyclopedias. *I think that would be
the difference between a quality book and a el cheapo manual.

Steve


Same here, my uncle was an aviation machinist and mechanic in the Navy
during WW2. I have a lot of his old manuals for aircraft engines,
airframes, etc. I read them all of the time!

John H[_2_] March 16th 09 04:33 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:29:48 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?


It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what
the aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll
have paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.


That's a true statement. My Yamaha manual cost in the neighborhood of
$85. I believe it was worth every penny.

Now, the price Yamaha gets for cotter pins is another story.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

John H[_2_] March 17th 09 11:32 AM

Wrong book?
 
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:11 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

That's a true statement. My Yamaha manual cost in the neighborhood of
$85. I believe it was worth every penny.

Now, the price Yamaha gets for cotter pins is another story.
--


For common hardware like that, think Ace Hardware. They have a lot of
stainless stuff.
One thing I found out is Yamaha/Mercury actually drills and taps the
holes deeper than the OEM screws so you have one more chance when one
strips out. Just go down to Ace and get the next longer bolt.
It saved me on my thermostat housing bolts.
The DEALER didn't use antisieze on one of my few visits. (one reason
that is a seldom thing)


Yes. Live and learn.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Richard Casady March 24th 09 12:22 PM

Wrong book?
 
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:11 -0500, wrote:

The DEALER didn't use antisieze on one of my few visits. (one reason
that is a seldom thing)


Make the ****er helicoil the holes. A Hasselblad comes with a helicoil
already in the tripod socket. It is much stronger than the plain hole.
Many racing engines have the helicoils in every hole.

Casady


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