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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid
for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that
being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong
for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here
just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is
bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify
Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the
highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the
military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years,
you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and
use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such as
military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned
by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their
entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what way?
"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my local
bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into and
stay in a union. Huh?

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

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BAR wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:49 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch"

wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses
paid for and
maintained by the taxpayers.
Blazer wrote:
Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying
that being a
soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's
wrong for someone
to play golf on a public golf
course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course,
though. Do
they have them where you live?
D'oh.
You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across
here just as
stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter
dumpster.
No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher
is bad. I have
great respect for teachers.
I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend
their entire
life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their
misconceptions regarding socialism.
Too subtle for you, right?
Blazer,
You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to
clarify Harry's
statements a bit.
JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education
leading to a
commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer
including at least
one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam.
As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military
isn't the highest in
the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even
semi-skilled union
workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make
the military a
career. Someone has to do it.
When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20
years, you receive a
small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care
and use of
military facilities, including recreational activities such
as military
owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits
earned by retired
union workers.
However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these
benefits while
earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend
their entire life
sucking on the taxpayers' teat.
Harry never served in the military.
Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more.
Eisboch
That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He
retired
honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is
Lieutenant
Colonel (Lt.C).
And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely
given away.
No big whoop. Really.
Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues.
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr.
and in
many cases also gets a per diam.
he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.
He bought his card....
And your cousin's alleged union experiences relate to mine in what
way?
"I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman union than it was to get into the army. "

Well, Tim, I'm not a member of the carpenter's union. No one in my
local bought his card.

30 years in the union, did not work as a bricklayer. Hard to get into
and stay in a union. Huh?

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

With the added benefit that you can take advantage of their group health
insurance and pretend you paid your dues just so you can help your
fellow man.

Some thing are just way too predictable.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a month plus
$300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy, which costs $187.
They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart operation, plus various
others over the years.

I figger I got my money's worth and more out of my dues.

Steve

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On Mar 11, 9:11*pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news:8_KdnRMeJNhEzCXUnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@earthlink .com...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. *Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.

And?

An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* *of basic military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. *That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. * Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. *Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. * Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. *This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. * The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

Now *that* is funny.

Why is that so funny to you? * You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about, you
are making a fool of yourself.

Eisboch

He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about. Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

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wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
news:8_KdnRMeJNhEzCXUnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@earthlink .com...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.

Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.

And?

An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

Now *that* is funny.

Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.

Eisboch

He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.
I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.
And?
An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.
To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.
Now *that* is funny.
Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.
Eisboch
He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!




Poor Loogy. Stupid as schitt and probably smells worse.

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Mike wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.


Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your
dues and don't rock the boat.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

What is wrong with you anyway Harry?

I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it
because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements as
well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more
people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them.

Eisboch


Typical Harry. He responded to everything in your post, except the last
paragraph.... the one that meant the most.



He's always been very selective in his responses. Those who are "kill
filed" have defeated him more often than he can handle. Don't kid
yourself - he reads every post.

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Blazer wrote:

BTW, why do several people use the term 'WAFA' regarding you, and what
does it mean?

Shorthand for What A ****ing Asshole. WAFI fit's WAFA's dumb lemming,
Donnie.

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mar 11, 9:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.
I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled
tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.
Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.
I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get
from apprentice to journeyman.
And?
An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic
military
indoctrination.
That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That
school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then*
are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of
apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is
dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific
job
code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof
competence
by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually
takes a couple of years to accomplish.
To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence
and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although
it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.
Now *that* is funny.
Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or
experience in the subject.
Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about,
you
are making a fool of yourself.
Eisboch
He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about.
Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all just another lie. Harry doesn't belong to any union. He can't
prove he belongs to any union. If you question him, he'll kill file
you, then call you vulgar third grade names. Just like his alleged
Yale degree, his father's runabout across the Atlantic, in winter,
with a fireboat welcome in NYC, and on and on. All lies. You can tell
the one's that aren't lies, because he'll instantly produce a picture.
If it's a lie, you'll get vague answers, non-answers, and name calling.

************************************************** ***************

Liar!



A dumb reply from a dumb man. Fight your own battles and get some Blue
in the refrigerator for your lame son (your words) when he gets home
from his 6 hours at McDonald's.

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Don't kid yourself - he reads every post.

Of course he does. His alleged kill file is just a convenient way of not
having to respond.

--Mike

"DK" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
m...

I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of
others here.

I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman
union than it was to get into the army.


Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends.
It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay
your dues and don't rock the boat.

To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and
worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it
also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and
retain slackers.

What is wrong with you anyway Harry?

I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it
because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements
as well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more
people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them.

Eisboch


Typical Harry. He responded to everything in your post, except the last
paragraph.... the one that meant the most.

He's always been very selective in his responses. Those who are "kill
filed" have defeated him more often than he can handle. Don't kid
yourself - he reads every post.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

That was true in the USA, too. Actually, it still is, in a way, though
you don't pay with cash.

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SteveB wrote:
Just like joining those record or CD clubs. Keep sending them your money
and you are a member.

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a month plus
$300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy, which costs $187.
They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart operation, plus various
others over the years.

I figger I got my money's worth and more out of my dues.

Steve



Yup, the union and the benefits was a great deal for you. As you said,
you got your money's worth, which is the way many union members feel
about the union. I only know one blowhard union man, who tries to
pretend he pays his union fees to support his "brothers", when in
reality he pays the fees so he has access to low cost health insurance.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

SteveB wrote:

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a month
plus $300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy, which costs
$187. They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart operation, plus
various others over the years.



I'd love to know where you get health insurance for $187 per month.
Our plan (family - wife and I) is currently just under $1,500 per month for
Blue Cross.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

SteveB wrote:

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a
month plus $300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy,
which costs $187. They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart
operation, plus various others over the years.



I'd love to know where you get health insurance for $187 per month.
Our plan (family - wife and I) is currently just under $1,500 per month
for Blue Cross.

Eisboch


A supplemental program that adds benefits to Medicare? Just a guess.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

SteveB wrote:

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a month
plus $300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy, which costs
$187. They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart operation, plus
various others over the years.



I'd love to know where you get health insurance for $187 per month.
Our plan (family - wife and I) is currently just under $1,500 per month
for Blue Cross.

Eisboch


A supplemental program that adds benefits to Medicare? Just a guess.

That makes sense. Didn't think of that. Still too much of a youngster to
qualify.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

SteveB wrote:

I retired from Teamsters with 37 years on and off. I get $1851 a
month plus $300 a month insurance allowance to buy my own policy,
which costs $187. They paid about $240,000 for an 8.5 hour heart
operation, plus various others over the years.



I'd love to know where you get health insurance for $187 per month.
Our plan (family - wife and I) is currently just under $1,500 per
month for Blue Cross.

Eisboch


A supplemental program that adds benefits to Medicare? Just a guess.

That makes sense. Didn't think of that. Still too much of a youngster
to qualify.

Eisboch

As the Age of Decreptitude approaches, your mailbox will be stuffed with
supplemental health insurance offers you cannot comprehend, even if you
have a master's in English.

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:11:56 -0700, "Mike" wrote:

He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about. Trying
to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end.

Its closer to a religion. In common with a religion it pays next to
nothing to start and you will not get rich. You really need to be a
believer, in both cases.

Casady

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

And at one time doctors didn't have to have a medical degree either.
I think we are talking about *now*.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

And at one time doctors didn't have to have a medical degree either.
I think we are talking about *now*.

Eisboch


Sorry, but I'm just not *overwhelmed* by the military or what it takes
to be in it. I appreciate that we have a military, and that sometimes it
is put to good use, and I also appreciate the sacrifices many in the
military have made and continue to make. It's not an easy life for many
in uniform.

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished something
remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with their
lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences or in
response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with military
service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the one
that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences or
in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the one
that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

I belong to the American Legion. I visit the local Post maybe once a week
for a couple of hours to have a beer and BS with the folks. The
conversations are almost *never* of military adventures but center around
sports, fishing, golf, etc.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

True enough. Krause wouldn't get his nose soiled so often if he didn't
stick it where it doesn't belong.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch


Yeah...I'm sure he's a better golfer than he was a soldier. And he's a
mediocre golfer.

Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country. We
have an all-voluntary military. Which is not to say there are no valiant
or incredible people in the military. Herring wasn't one of them.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:20:41 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...


I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he
builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in
many cases also gets a per diam.

he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go
through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections.
march anything like that.

He bought his card....

---------------------------------------

I am getting a big kick out of this.
One thing for sure. You don't exactly "buy" your rating designation or
qualifications in the military.

At one time, in the Brittish army, you bought your commission.

Casady

And at one time doctors didn't have to have a medical degree either.
I think we are talking about *now*.

Eisboch


Sorry, but I'm just not *overwhelmed* by the military or what it takes
to be in it. I appreciate that we have a military, and that sometimes it
is put to good use, and I also appreciate the sacrifices many in the
military have made and continue to make. It's not an easy life for many
in uniform.

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World War
II.

I know most people have no respect for someone who spent the last 15 yrs
of his life hurling childish insults in a public forum. When someone
spends all of his time in rec.boats (and only uses his boat about 20 hrs
a year) probably does not command the respect of anyone, except those
with even less accomplishments than someone who is forced to live a
Walter Mitty existence in rec.boats.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults about me?

I'll bet you don't.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an
obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults about
me?

I'll bet you don't.



Come on. The concept of duty or obligation is a personal decision. In
some of our cases the decision was made for us unless we took evasive
action.

As to the insults, why do you constantly address his character if you don't
read his crap?
Seems to me that if you don't read it, there should be nothing to respond to
in your derogatory style.
Yet you do. Leaky filter?

Eisboch

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an
obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults
about me?

I'll bet you don't.



Come on. The concept of duty or obligation is a personal decision. In
some of our cases the decision was made for us unless we took evasive
action.

As to the insults, why do you constantly address his character if you
don't read his crap?
Seems to me that if you don't read it, there should be nothing to
respond to in your derogatory style.
Yet you do. Leaky filter?

Eisboch


My "addressing" of Herring's lack of character have nothing to do with
his insults of me. They have to do with his simple-minded conservatism
and his racism. He is *so* 2009 GOP: clueless and headed for oblivion.

I do see the odd post of his, typically when someone I don't filter
regurgitates something idiotic Herring has posted.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:22:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday
frontline work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers,
firefighters, public health workers, real charitable organization
workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch


Yeah...I'm sure he's a better golfer than he was a soldier. And he's a
mediocre golfer.

Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country. We
have an all-voluntary military. Which is not to say there are no valiant
or incredible people in the military. Herring wasn't one of them.

Do you have a copy of his military records? You seem to know an awful
lot about him. And, you DO sound very anti-military. Were you
unqualified to enter? Some people are very anti-military because they
feared being in the military. This fear gets turned into bitterness
and hate.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:41:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


Military service is neither a duty nor an obligation in this country.


It's a personal decision. Obviously you don't think so. Others do.

For your convenience I have snipped your continued insults about JohnH.

Eisboch


That is correct: it is a personal decision, *not* a duty nor an obligation.

I don't read Herring's crap: do you snip his continued insults about me?
How about the rest of your crew? Do you snip FloridaJim's insults about me?

I'll bet you don't.

The other day I asked you about your obsessive behavior with regard to
'John H'. You display such rancor and hate, yet I've not seen a 'John
H' response to any post you've made.

To be a 'real' liberal, you must...
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:01:24 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
m...

But I see no reason to put ordinary individuals in the military on a
pedestal, as if they have accomplished something utterly remarkable
because they joined. I'm far more impressed with the everyday frontline
work done by doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, firefighters,
public health workers, real charitable organization workers, et cetera.

I know I would have felt differently about the military during World
War
II.


I know of very few ex-military people who think they accomplished
something remarkable. Hell, millions and millions have military
experience.

Most consider it a duty or obligation fulfilled and then move on with
their lives. A few make it a career, thankfully.

Unless the subject is brought up either in a discussion of experiences
or
in response to unwarranted insults by people who have a problem with
military service very few people spend a lot of time discussing it.
This includes your favorite ex-military buddy, JohnH. *You* are the
one
that routinely makes derogatory statements about his career choice.

He talks about golf.

Eisboch

I belong to the American Legion. I visit the local Post maybe once a week
for a couple of hours to have a beer and BS with the folks. The
conversations are almost *never* of military adventures but center around
sports, fishing, golf, etc.


They wait patiently until you leave before they talk about anything of
consequence.


Nice try....