Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Peanut company owner refuses to testify

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press
Writers Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar And Brett J. Blackledge, Associated
Press Writers 5 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The owner of a peanut company refused to testify to
Congress on Wednesday amid the disclosure that he urged his workers to
ship bacteria-tainted products, pleading with employees to at least
"turn the raw peanuts on the floor into money."

Stewart Parnell, owner of Peanut Corp. of America, repeatedly invoked
his right not to incriminate himself after sitting before the House
subcommittee holding a hearing on a national salmonella outbreak blamed
on his company.

He sat stiffly, his hands folded in his lap at the witness table, as one
lawmaker held up a clear jar of his company's products wrapped in crime
scene tape and asked him if he would be willing to eat the food.

"Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, on advice of my counsel, I
respectively decline to answer your questions based on the protections
afforded me under the U.S. Constitution," Parnell said in response.
After repeating the statement several times, he was dismissed from the
hearing.

The House panel released e-mails obtained by its investigators showing
Parnell ordered products identified with salmonella shipped and quoting
his complaints that tests discovering the contaminated food were
"costing us huge $$$$$$."

At one point, Parnell said his workers "desperately at least need to
turn the raw peanuts on our floor into money." In another exchange, he
told his plant manager to "turn them loose" after products once deemed
contaminated were cleared in a second test.

Parnell's response to a final lab test showing salmonella was about how
much it would cost, and the impact lab testing was having on moving his
products.

"We need to discuss this," he wrote in an Oct. 6 e-mail to Sammy
Lightsey, his plant manager. "The time lapse, beside the cost is costing
us huge $$$$$$ and causing obviously a huge lapse in time from the time
we pick up peanuts until the time we can invoice."

Lightsey also invoked his right not to testify when he appeared
alongside Parnell before the subcommittee.

The disclosures came in correspondence released by a House Energy and
Commerce subcommittee Wednesday during a hearing on the salmonella
outbreak that has sickened 600 people, may be linked to eight deaths and
has led to one of the largest recalls in history with more than 1,800
products pulled.

"Their behavior is criminal, in my opinion. I want to see jail time,"
said Jeffrey Almer, whose 72-year-old mother died Dec. 21 in Minnesota
of salmonella poisoning after eating Peanut Corp.'s peanut butter. Almer
and other relatives of victims urged lawmakers to approve mandatory
product recalls and improve public notice about contaminated food.

A federal criminal investigation is under way.

"We appear to have a total systemic breakdown," said Rep. Bart Stupak,
D-Mich., chairman of the committee's investigations subcommittee.

After peanut granules made in Georgia were connected to the Salmonella
outbreak, Parnell tried to salvage whatever he could from the plant,
looking for loopholes in what the government said they could use.

In a Jan. 19 e-mail about a truck with more than 33,000 pounds of raw
peanuts, Parnell noted that Georgia agriculture officials are "putting a
hold on everything else in the plant" beside what was on the truck.

"Obviously we are not shipping any peanut butter products affected by
the recall but desperately at least need to turn the raw peanuts on our
floor into money," he wrote. "We have other raw peanuts on our floor
that we would like to do the same with."

In another exchange, Parnell complained to a worker after they notified
him salmonella was discovered in more products.

"I go thru this about once a week," he wrote in a June 2008 e-mail. "I
will hold my breath .......... again."

A laboratory owner told the House panel that the peanut company's
disregard for tests identifying salmonella in its product is "virtually
unheard of" in the nation's food industry and should prompt efforts to
increase federal oversight of product safety.

Charles Deibel, president of Deibel Laboratories Inc., said his company
was among those that tested Peanut Corp. of America's products and
notified the Georgia plant that salmonella was found in some of its
peanut stock. Peanut Corp. sold the products anyway, according to a Food
and Drug Administration inspection report.

"It is not unusual for Deibel Labs or other food testing laboratories to
find that samples clients submit do test positive for salmonella and
other pathogens, nor is it unusual that clients request that samples be
retested," Deibel said. "What is virtually unheard of is for an entity
to disregard those results and place potentially contaminated products
into the stream of commerce."

Deibel said he hopes the crisis leads to a greater role for FDA in
overseeing food safety and providing more guidance to food makers.

The company, now under FBI investigation, makes only about 1 percent of
U.S. peanut products. But its ingredients are used by dozens of other
food companies.

___



These corporate execs need to do some *serious* at a federal heavy
security penitentiary after they are found guilty.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 1:07*pm, HK wrote:

These corporate execs need to do some *serious* at a federal heavy
security penitentiary after they are found guilty.


Wow, such great prose from the greatest writer ever. The cut and paste
was fine, but as soon as you tried to complete a sentence yourself,
you fell flat.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth..."

Hmmm, I've known some people who could drink that much in one sitting
too!

Of course that's about all they did.

They didn't live to be very old, either.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:58:26 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

"Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth..."

Hmmm, I've known some people who could drink that much in one sitting
too!

Of course that's about all they did.

They didn't live to be very old, either.

Speaking of booze, have you tried the latest new drink?

It's called the 'Sully' and consists of two shots of Grey Goose and a
dash of water!

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

"It is not unusual for Deibel Labs or other food testing laboratories to
find that samples clients submit do test positive for salmonella and other
pathogens, nor is it unusual that clients request that samples be
retested," Deibel said. "What is virtually unheard of is for an entity to
disregard those results and place potentially contaminated products into
the stream of commerce."




These corporate execs need to do some *serious* at a federal heavy
security penitentiary after they are found guilty.

If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 1:35*pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:58:26 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

"Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth..."

Hmmm, I've known some people who could drink that much in one sitting
too!

Of course that's about all they did.

They didn't live to be very old, either.

Speaking of booze, have you tried the latest new drink?

It's called the 'Sully' and consists of two shots of Grey Goose and a
dash of water!

LOL!

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 1:45*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.

Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"

Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.

Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"

Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.



It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 2:17*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.

Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"

Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.

It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.

Very true!

i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?

I suppose w'll have to wait and find out...

Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.

Very true!

i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?

I suppose w'll have to wait and find out...

Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.


Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 7:48*pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16*pm, HK wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.

Very true!

i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?

I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...

Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.

Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just figuring this out? Harry is only out to protect the selfish
hypocritical lifestyle of the elite liberal set...

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 8:19*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You of course mean folks like you who make it up as they go along.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 7:19*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

I really don't think its reliable to take the re-thrashed word of
people who protect thugs with a biased agenda etc.

Let's face it Harry. you would not rather hear a view from one who is
there. it's much easier to believe in whom you feel comfortable with,
especially if your ideologies match.

"It takes third parties, commissions, investigatory bodies, et
cetera."

Dick Durbin (The Turban) only heard one point of view which was on his
level without true investigation, investigatory bodies, et cetera, and
if he had made his blundering speech and apology closer to election
time, he would have lost his senate seat.

Non informed : "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was
an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their
control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by
Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--
that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Informed: (saving face apology) ""More than most people, a senator
lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we
will fail words,I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or
pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the
greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be
said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy. I am also sorry if
anything I said cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the
military. ... I never ever intended any disrespect for them. Some may
believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them I extend my
heartfelt apology...They're the best,"

Durbin "attempted" to clarify his remarks last Thursday evening and
then again Friday, saying that he regretted if people did not
understand his historic analogies, ..."and he suggested that he could
not verify the accuracy of the FBI document...." (OOPS! Open mouth-
insert foot!)

BTW, Durbin later said he couldn't confirm the validity of the FBI
agents statement.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 11:41*pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 7:19*pm, HK wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

I really don't think its reliable to take the re-thrashed word of
people who protect thugs with a biased agenda etc.

Let's face it Harry. you would not rather hear a view from one who is
there. *it's much easier to believe in whom you feel comfortable with,
especially if your ideologies match.

*"It takes third parties, commissions, investigatory bodies, et
cetera."

Dick Durbin (The Turban) only heard one point of view which was on his
level without true investigation, investigatory bodies, et cetera, and
if he had made his blundering speech and apology closer to election
time, he would have lost his senate seat.

Non informed : "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was
an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their
control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by
Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--
that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Informed: (saving face apology) ""More than most people, a senator
lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we
will fail words,I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or
pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the
greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be
said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy. I am also sorry if
anything I said cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the
military. ... I never ever intended any disrespect for them. Some may
believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them I extend my
heartfelt apology...They're the best,"

Durbin "attempted" *to clarify his remarks last Thursday evening and
then again Friday, saying that he regretted if people did not
understand his historic analogies, ..."and he suggested that he could
not verify the accuracy of the FBI document...." *(OOPS! Open mouth-
insert foot!)

BTW, Durbin later said he couldn't confirm the validity of the FBI
agents statement.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice write up, too bad it will fall on deaf ears. Harry doesn't care
to hear anything that does not suit his agenda...

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 11, 10:46*pm, wrote:
On Feb 11, 11:41*pm, Tim wrote:



On Feb 11, 7:19*pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

I really don't think its reliable to take the re-thrashed word of
people who protect thugs with a biased agenda etc.

Let's face it Harry. you would not rather hear a view from one who is
there. *it's much easier to believe in whom you feel comfortable with,
especially if your ideologies match.

*"It takes third parties, commissions, investigatory bodies, et
cetera."

Dick Durbin (The Turban) only heard one point of view which was on his
level without true investigation, investigatory bodies, et cetera, and
if he had made his blundering speech and apology closer to election
time, he would have lost his senate seat.

Non informed : "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was
an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their
control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by
Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--
that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Informed: (saving face apology) ""More than most people, a senator
lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we
will fail words,I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or
pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the
greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be
said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy. I am also sorry if
anything I said cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the
military. ... I never ever intended any disrespect for them. Some may
believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them I extend my
heartfelt apology...They're the best,"

Durbin "attempted" *to clarify his remarks last Thursday evening and
then again Friday, saying that he regretted if people did not
understand his historic analogies, ..."and he suggested that he could
not verify the accuracy of the FBI document...." *(OOPS! Open mouth-
insert foot!)

BTW, Durbin later said he couldn't confirm the validity of the FBI
agents statement.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice write up, too bad it will fall on deaf ears. Harry doesn't care
to hear anything that does not suit his agenda...

Well most of those cnp's were from various news sources which not only
cane from fox news but also included in the quotes were from the NYT
and UPI. They all said the same thing.
But I did make sure it was correct about the non varification of the
supposed FBI agent, that's why I did include the BTW.,

But one thing about Durbin's statement was his imediate and deceptive
disclaimer.

"If I read this to you and didn't tell you it was an FBI agent
describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you
would most certainly believe this must have been done by.."

Obviously a deceitful comment.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

No offense, Tim, but are there any Bush Administration abominations which
you righties won't deny or try to rationalize away?



You must be aware, Harry, that the concept and purpose of having a jail or
detention center off of US soil wasn't Bush's invention or creation. It's
been a legal means, upheld by the Supreme Court, to hold people who fall
into a unique and hazy category where they are not really military, but they
aren't really civilian either. They aren't prisoners of war, but they
aren't entitled to a trial in a civilian US court system either. It's been
around for a long time.

Perfect place for captured foreign terrorists.

Eisboch

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority. They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:41:37 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

No offense, Tim, but are there any Bush Administration abominations which
you righties won't deny or try to rationalize away?



You must be aware, Harry, that the concept and purpose of having a jail or
detention center off of US soil wasn't Bush's invention or creation. It's
been a legal means, upheld by the Supreme Court, to hold people who fall
into a unique and hazy category where they are not really military, but they
aren't really civilian either. They aren't prisoners of war, but they
aren't entitled to a trial in a civilian US court system either. It's been
around for a long time.

Perfect place for captured foreign terrorists.

Hope and change.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...4.story?page=1

He's just going to pay other countries to keep them for us and thus
claim that he's "closed" GITMO.

He's slick, but much like Carter and Clinton, he thinks he smarter
than everybody else.

Sorry President Obama - a lot of us aren't as stupid as you think we
are.

--

"Never fight an inanimate object."

P.J. O'Rourke

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 12, 2:54*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. * I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. * However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". *It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. *If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. *Fortunately, they are in the minority. *They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

Damned good summation, Richard!

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 11, 7:19*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

I really don't think its reliable to take the re-thrashed word of
people who protect thugs with a biased agenda etc.

Let's face it Harry. you would not rather hear a view from one who is
there. it's much easier to believe in whom you feel comfortable with,
especially if your ideologies match.

"It takes third parties, commissions, investigatory bodies, et
cetera."

Dick Durbin (The Turban) only heard one point of view which was on his
level without true investigation, investigatory bodies, et cetera, and
if he had made his blundering speech and apology closer to election
time, he would have lost his senate seat.

Non informed : "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was
an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their
control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by
Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--
that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Informed: (saving face apology) ""More than most people, a senator
lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we
will fail words,I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or
pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the
greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be
said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy. I am also sorry if
anything I said cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the
military. ... I never ever intended any disrespect for them. Some may
believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them I extend my
heartfelt apology...They're the best,"

Durbin "attempted" to clarify his remarks last Thursday evening and
then again Friday, saying that he regretted if people did not
understand his historic analogies, ..."and he suggested that he could
not verify the accuracy of the FBI document...." (OOPS! Open mouth-
insert foot!)

BTW, Durbin later said he couldn't confirm the validity of the FBI
agents statement.

Tim. You just presented facts to Harry. What a boo boo.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:54:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority. They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

TGFSF!

The problem is that the 'minority' to which you refer also controls
the major media from which the undereducated population gets its
information.

Personally, I'm glad you've finally come to this realization. Harry,
IMHO, actually believes a socialist form of government is the path
this country should take. The fact that we will end up with a few
powerful 'haves' and hordes of 'have nots' doesn't faze him (or my
liberal brother for that matter).

My brother complained that his retirement accounts have lost 25% in
the past year. When I showed him the big losses started in October, he
quickly blamed it all on Bush.

Unreal.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 12, 8:31*am, John H wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





On Feb 11, 7:19*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 2:17 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Feb 11, 1:45 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
If it is as it certainly appears, I agree with you 100%.
Agreed with your comment of "If it is as it certainly appears"
Then, there's the flip side to come out in the courts.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons why the execs released the
tainted product into the supply chain. *I mean the reasons other than
the ones already stated.
Very true!
i wonder who in the labs got paid off to enable it to be released? Or
were the labs bypassed without clearance?
I suppose w'll *have to wait and find out...
Regardless, from the presently known reports, it sounds like some real
skullduggery goin on, though.
Well, I oppose capital punishment, but I might make an exception for
senior corporate execs who knowingly release tainted food... :) That's
what happens in China.

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"

Historically, it isn't reliable to take the word of jailkeepers as to
how they treat their prisoners. It takes third parties, commissions,
investigatory bodies, et cetera.

I really don't think its reliable to take the re-thrashed word of
people who protect thugs with a biased agenda etc.

Let's face it Harry. you would not rather hear a view from one who is
there. *it's much easier to believe in whom you feel comfortable with,
especially if your ideologies match.

"It takes third parties, commissions, investigatory bodies, et
cetera."

Dick Durbin (The Turban) only heard one point of view which was on his
level without true investigation, investigatory bodies, et cetera, and
if he had made his blundering speech and apology closer to election
time, he would have lost his senate seat.

Non informed : "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was
an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their
control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by
Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--
that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case.
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Informed: (saving face apology) ""More than most people, a senator
lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we
will fail words,I am sorry if anything I said caused any offense or
pain to those who have such bitter memories of the Holocaust, the
greatest moral tragedy of our time. Nothing, nothing should ever be
said to demean or diminish that moral tragedy. I am also sorry if
anything I said cast a negative light on our fine men and women in the
military. ... I never ever intended any disrespect for them. Some may
believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them I extend my
heartfelt apology...They're the best,"

Durbin "attempted" *to clarify his remarks last Thursday evening and
then again Friday, saying that he regretted if people did not
understand his historic analogies, ..."and he suggested that he could
not verify the accuracy of the FBI document...." *(OOPS! Open mouth-
insert foot!)

BTW, Durbin later said he couldn't confirm the validity of the FBI
agents statement.

Tim. You just presented facts to Harry. What a boo boo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, my bad. But it seems like "Christian Righties" have a habit of
doing that.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:54:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him
and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However,
it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way
of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority. They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

TGFSF!

The problem is that the 'minority' to which you refer also controls
the major media from which the undereducated population gets its
information.

Personally, I'm glad you've finally come to this realization. Harry,
IMHO, actually believes a socialist form of government is the path
this country should take. The fact that we will end up with a few
powerful 'haves' and hordes of 'have nots' doesn't faze him (or my
liberal brother for that matter).

My brother complained that his retirement accounts have lost 25% in
the past year. When I showed him the big losses started in October, he
quickly blamed it all on Bush.

Unreal.

Sounds like your brother inherited all the brains in your family.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:16:56 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:54:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him
and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However,
it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way
of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority. They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

TGFSF!

The problem is that the 'minority' to which you refer also controls
the major media from which the undereducated population gets its
information.

Personally, I'm glad you've finally come to this realization. Harry,
IMHO, actually believes a socialist form of government is the path
this country should take. The fact that we will end up with a few
powerful 'haves' and hordes of 'have nots' doesn't faze him (or my
liberal brother for that matter).

My brother complained that his retirement accounts have lost 25% in
the past year. When I showed him the big losses started in October, he
quickly blamed it all on Bush.

Unreal.

Sounds like your brother inherited all the brains in your family.


At least there were some brains in my family to inherit. What's your
excuse, Donnie?

Have you ever stopped to think how much smarter you sound when you
keep your mouth shut?

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:16:56 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:54:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him
and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However,
it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way
of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not
what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of
thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits
and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of
their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority.
They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

TGFSF!

The problem is that the 'minority' to which you refer also controls
the major media from which the undereducated population gets its
information.

Personally, I'm glad you've finally come to this realization. Harry,
IMHO, actually believes a socialist form of government is the path
this country should take. The fact that we will end up with a few
powerful 'haves' and hordes of 'have nots' doesn't faze him (or my
liberal brother for that matter).

My brother complained that his retirement accounts have lost 25% in
the past year. When I showed him the big losses started in October, he
quickly blamed it all on Bush.

Unreal.

Sounds like your brother inherited all the brains in your family.


At least there were some brains in my family to inherit. What's your
excuse, Donnie?

Have you ever stopped to think how much smarter you sound when you
keep your mouth shut?

Is that what your Army superiors said to you?

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 12, 1:54*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. * I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. * However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". *It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. *If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. *Fortunately, they are in the minority. *They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

Herr Krause should honour the sage wisdom of one of his heroes and not
be the subject the words were written of.

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous
than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:06:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 12, 1:54*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. * I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. * However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". *It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. *If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. *Fortunately, they are in the minority. *They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

Herr Krause should honour the sage wisdom of one of his heroes and not
be the subject the words were written of.

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous
than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

I personally think being a follower of Brian Williams come close!
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

On Feb 16, 9:06*pm, wrote:
On Feb 12, 1:54*am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

....

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. * I don't dislike him and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. * However, it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". *It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. *If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. *Fortunately, they are in the minority. *They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch

Herr Krause should honour the sage wisdom of one of his heroes and not
be the subject the words were written of.

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous
than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King, Jr.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL! I like that saying...Thanks!

Peanut Company Owner Takes the Fifth...
 

Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:54:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Feb 11, 3:16 pm, HK wrote:

Yes Harry, he has direct contact with prisoners.

But you're mind is made up to a one sided view. and there will be none
changing that.

So much for "open mindedness"
---------------------------------------------

I have given up discussing this stuff with Harry. I don't dislike him
and
I wish him well and hope he finds peace with himself somehow. However,
it
has finally occurred to me that he is as close-minded and stuck in a way
of
thinking as he accuses many others with different opinions to be,
particularly those he considers to be on the "right". It matters not what
evidence or arguments you make. If you conflict with his way of thinking,
your wrong, dumb, under-educated, led or whatever.

There's a whole sector of our population who have these elitist traits and
nothing you say has any affect or cause for them to think outside of their
little community of thought. Fortunately, they are in the minority. They
just tend to have the biggest mouths, a trait common to Monday morning
quarterbacks.

Sorta ironic.

Eisboch
TGFSF!

The problem is that the 'minority' to which you refer also controls
the major media from which the undereducated population gets its
information.

Personally, I'm glad you've finally come to this realization. Harry,
IMHO, actually believes a socialist form of government is the path
this country should take. The fact that we will end up with a few
powerful 'haves' and hordes of 'have nots' doesn't faze him (or my
liberal brother for that matter).

My brother complained that his retirement accounts have lost 25% in
the past year. When I showed him the big losses started in October, he
quickly blamed it all on Bush.

Unreal.

Sounds like your brother inherited all the brains in your family.



A true moron has spoken...