Boat building vs camper building
I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted
camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. |
Boat building vs camper building
Frogwatch wrote:
I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. |
Boat building vs camper building
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 11:55*am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) |
Boat building vs camper building
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:18:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. What is it you're glueing? I've had good luck using Elmers Wood Glue, according to the directions. The pieces to be glued must be clamped. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:18:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. PS. Keep in mind that the camper won't take near the beating that a boat does. It's not like you're going to be pounding the camper into the waves! Are the plans available online? They'd be interesting to look at. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 1:41 pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:18:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. PS. Keep in mind that the camper won't take near the beating that a boat does. It's not like you're going to be pounding the camper into the waves! Are the plans available online? They'd be interesting to look at. Floor plan is online on the Glen-L site. One thing that really bothers me is that the framing is assembled using those awful corrugated fasteners that seem to split the ends of the wood and then the framing is glued to the 3/16 ply. I'd much prefer to assemble the framing on the 3/16 ply with epoxy but the first assembly seems sorta necessary to get right. |
Boat building vs camper building
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 2:53*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? |
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On Feb 9, 2:58 pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? If it weren't for the dogs, I dont b'leve in fences. I'd rather see the neighbor kids cutting through my yard so I know what they are doing. On the WY property, I took the fence down and told the neighbors to feel free to cut across it to get to the snowmobile trails. I figure that if they go across my property, they'll look after the place when I am not there. |
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On Feb 9, 2:58*pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:53*pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, he is just trying to get some attention.. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 2:58 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? If it weren't for the dogs, I dont b'leve in fences. I'd rather see the neighbor kids cutting through my yard so I know what they are doing. On the WY property, I took the fence down and told the neighbors to feel free to cut across it to get to the snowmobile trails. I figure that if they go across my property, they'll look after the place when I am not there. You've never met LoonyTunes, JustHate & their ilk. Best to keep them fenced in on their property, or fenced out of yours. |
Boat building vs camper building
Don White wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 2:58 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? If it weren't for the dogs, I dont b'leve in fences. I'd rather see the neighbor kids cutting through my yard so I know what they are doing. On the WY property, I took the fence down and told the neighbors to feel free to cut across it to get to the snowmobile trails. I figure that if they go across my property, they'll look after the place when I am not there. You've never met LoonyTunes, JustHate & their ilk. Best to keep them fenced in on their property, or fenced out of yours. You mean, they're not wearing their ankle bracelet locators anymore? |
Boat building vs camper building
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:12:19 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: On Feb 9, 1:41 pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:18:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. PS. Keep in mind that the camper won't take near the beating that a boat does. It's not like you're going to be pounding the camper into the waves! Are the plans available online? They'd be interesting to look at. Floor plan is online on the Glen-L site. One thing that really bothers me is that the framing is assembled using those awful corrugated fasteners that seem to split the ends of the wood and then the framing is glued to the 3/16 ply. I'd much prefer to assemble the framing on the 3/16 ply with epoxy but the first assembly seems sorta necessary to get right. Which floor plan are you building? Allen Lane seemed to have a good idea. "I glued and screwed all joints; the glue I used was a premium urethane all weather glue, using outside deck screws to fasten everything together." http://www.glen-l.com/campers/rv-picboard/rvpic6a.html That whole project just seems like it would be lots of fun. Sure hope you'll keep us updated with pictures. Good luck. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 10, 8:03*am, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 9, 8:28*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 2:58 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? If it weren't for the dogs, I dont b'leve in fences. *I'd rather see the neighbor kids cutting through my yard so I know what they are doing. *On the WY property, I took the fence down and told the neighbors to feel free to cut across it to get to the snowmobile trails. *I figure that if they go across my property, they'll look after the place when I am not there. You've never met LoonyTunes, JustHate & their ilk. Best to keep them fenced in on their property, or fenced out of yours.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, really? Tell everyone just what you know about me? Answer: Nothing. |
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On Feb 9, 8:33*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 2:58 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:53 pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones? If it weren't for the dogs, I dont b'leve in fences. *I'd rather see the neighbor kids cutting through my yard so I know what they are doing. *On the WY property, I took the fence down and told the neighbors to feel free to cut across it to get to the snowmobile trails. *I figure that if they go across my property, they'll look after the place when I am not there. You've never met LoonyTunes, JustHate & their ilk. Best to keep them fenced in on their property, or fenced out of yours. You mean, they're not wearing their ankle bracelet locators anymore?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry, why would I have one? Once again, acting like you know all about me, you lying fat piece of ****. |
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On Feb 9, 5:43*pm, wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:58*pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 2:53*pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you accusing me of breaking laws? Which ones?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, he is just trying to get some attention..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And he's too chicken **** to answer! |
Boat building vs camper building
"John H" wrote in message ... Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****. Save your 'marching orders' for your Drone Army. I answer to a higher calling. |
Boat building vs camper building
wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 8:03 am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. *************************************** Didn't you hear your 'fearless leader'? Seems to be a lack of discipline in the Drone Army ranks. |
Boat building vs camper building
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Unlike a boat, hopefully your camper will never have to survive beating into waves... |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 10, 9:19*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 8:03 am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. *************************************** Didn't you hear your 'fearless leader'? * *Seems to be a lack of discipline in the Drone Army ranks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I know that because of your master/lover/clone Harry you don't understand this concept, but I don't have a leader. |
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On Feb 10, 9:16*am, "Don White" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****. Save your 'marching orders' for your Drone Army. * *I answer to a higher calling. Yeah, your lover/master/clone Harry. |
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wrote in message ... I know that because of your master/lover/clone Harry you don't understand this concept, but I don't have a leader. ************************************************** *********** You should.................... you really should! |
Boat building vs camper building
Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... I know that because of your master/lover/clone Harry you don't understand this concept, but I don't have a leader. ************************************************** *********** You should.................... you really should! What loogy needs...is a keeper. Someone to toss a slab'o'beef into his cage every few days. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:34:23 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 10, 8:03*am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. Loogy, if you'll read your last four messages in this thread, you'll see the same ****! |
Boat building vs camper building
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 1:41 pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:18:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. PS. Keep in mind that the camper won't take near the beating that a boat does. It's not like you're going to be pounding the camper into the waves! Are the plans available online? They'd be interesting to look at. Floor plan is online on the Glen-L site. One thing that really bothers me is that the framing is assembled using those awful corrugated fasteners that seem to split the ends of the wood and then the framing is glued to the 3/16 ply. I'd much prefer to assemble the framing on the 3/16 ply with epoxy but the first assembly seems sorta necessary to get right. Just went to the site. Pretty cool. Which model are you building? What about using a thick epoxy and long countersunk coated screws instead of the corrugated things? I like screwing and gluing with epoxy, just about as permanent as it gets. |
Boat building vs camper building
On Feb 10, 12:31*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:34:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 10, 8:03*am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. Loogy, if you'll read your last four messages in this thread, you'll see the same ****!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and your washing machine, computer, etc. stuff was right on topic, too. |
Boat building vs camper building
wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 12:31 pm, John H wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:34:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 10, 8:03 am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. What I build might embarass my wife though. No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. Loogy, if you'll read your last four messages in this thread, you'll see the same ****!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and your washing machine, computer, etc. stuff was right on topic, too. ************************************************** ******* Careful...I can see some time in the brig coming up |
Boat building vs camper building
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:07:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 10, 12:31*pm, John H wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:34:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 10, 8:03*am, John H wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:53:09 -0400, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Feb 9, 12:51 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 12:46 pm, wrote: On Feb 9, 11:55 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Feb 9, 11:27 am, HK wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I am building a version of Glen-L "Importer" slide in truck mounted camper for my Nissan Frontier and I thought my experience with building 4 boats would be helpful but the techniques are very different. *The camper has 1"X2" framing with 3/16 ply on the inside and Aluminum sheet on the outside. *From a boat building perspective, structurally, this sounds like crap. *I am desperately trying to suppress my normal tendency to think "Hey, I've got a better way" because my wife wants it to look good so I am really trying to follow directions. *I am liberally applying epoxy to all joined surfaces instead of simply using wood glue as per directions but the whole process seems "wrong" still. *Unfortunately, the design is from 1972 before epoxy was available. *I would really prefer a design similar to boat building where strength is obtained from rounded shapes covered with glass and epoxy, sort of a stitch and glue camper. *I will glass some of the joints that I think need it. *I'd glass the whole thing but weight is an issue. Will yours look like this? http://www.belairshells.com/generic.tpl?PageName=11 Or are you building something embarrassing? Harry, I am totally oblivious to things that would embarass most people. *What I build might embarass my wife though. *No, the camper topper you show costs so little that I'd just go buy one. *What i want is a slide in cab-over hard shell camper like the ones made by Lance. I do not want one with pop up canvas because I will be in places with bears, wolves and panthers (Wyoming) and although I have camped with bears wandering round my tent (even wandering round me sleeping outside my tent) I feel I have "been there, done that" and want the peace of mind of hard sides. Why not just buy one? http://www.six-pac.com/fits.htm-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - Because some people take pride in crafting something using their own given skills. And unlike you, most people are skilled enough to do so. I just wanted to make something else. *I figure that if this is successful, my wife might give in to my plans to rebuild the old log cabin on our WY property. I thought that building the Tolman would convince my wife that I was competent to make things but she does not like power boats. *So, now I am doing the dog fence (fencing in nearly an acre) but she keeps changing her mind about how it should look. *So, when we take the camper to WY and are staying right next to the cabin, she will not be able to doubt my ability to rebuild the cabin. *Of course, I'll probably rebuild the cabin anyway regardless of what she wants (She wants a "real" cabin with actual appliances, BORING.) Too bad you couldn't take your fence building skills down to Atlanta and enclose LoonyTunes and his 'winter crop'. The law-abidin' citizens of Georgia would appreciate it. Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry's taught his lover well. Loogy, if you'll read your last four messages in this thread, you'll see the same ****!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and your washing machine, computer, etc. stuff was right on topic, too. My comment had nothing to do with 'topic'. |
Boat building vs camper building
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... Don, was this thread too friggin' peaceful for you? Why not keep your **** to yourself once in a while? Frogwatch, I sure hope you can disregard some of this ****. Save your 'marching orders' for your Drone Army. I answer to a higher calling. You couldn't have made a dumber post. WAFI. |
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