OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building. Nevertheless, epoxy
simply won't cure in such cold weather, and this is in N. Florida!
Global warming indeed.
It turns out that the recent article in Nature about the Antarctic
warming is bogus. The authors used a data set that had initially been
obtained from a sensor that had been buried in snow and was then later
put on a long boom above the snow, of course it changed a lot.

On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.

I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?

I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.

My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.

On Feb 3, 9:04*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.

I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?

I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. *I rebuilt it though.

My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. *Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. *When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? *No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? *Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. *Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. *It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. *Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.

Get ahold of Larry at RAKA.com and get some cold cure hardner and
epoxy. He is right down there in FLA.. It will cure fine for building
and harden nicely without getting brittle. The full cure will only
happen over 70 like any other epoxy but cold cure will set up down
near the freezing point and harden well enough for construction...

Tell him Scotty At SmallBoats.com sent you please..

On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.

I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?

I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.

My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.

I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.

I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.

--Vic


I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.

Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.

On Feb 4, 7:52 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.

I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.

--Vic

I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.

Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.

The MiniCups were designed to be easy to build but short lifespan
boats..Once i got mine built, I decided that I didnt like the short
lifespan part so I radically rebuilt them. For example, the sails as
designed are actually to be made from visqueen and duct tape. I
finally sewed mine from white polytarp that has internal threads for
addl tear resistance.
As designed, the boats use mild steel fasteners but in rebuilding them
I took out all the old fasteners and used stainless of just epoxy. I
redesigned the mast step and the joint for the gaff and boom to be
very strong.
Eventually, I intend to publish plans for a modern stitch and glue
(epoxy) version that will last a long time.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 4, 7:52 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.
I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.
--Vic
I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.

Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.

The MiniCups were designed to be easy to build but short lifespan
boats..Once i got mine built, I decided that I didnt like the short
lifespan part so I radically rebuilt them. For example, the sails as
designed are actually to be made from visqueen and duct tape. I
finally sewed mine from white polytarp that has internal threads for
addl tear resistance.
As designed, the boats use mild steel fasteners but in rebuilding them
I took out all the old fasteners and used stainless of just epoxy. I
redesigned the mast step and the joint for the gaff and boom to be
very strong.
Eventually, I intend to publish plans for a modern stitch and glue
(epoxy) version that will last a long time.


Crikey...do you build chairs that are designed to collapse if anyone
sits on them?

It takes no longer to build something properly, and out of proper
materials. Why bother with a little sailboat held together with steel
nails and with a duct tape and plastic garbage bag sail? What's the point?

Back in the old days, my dad built a top for his jeep out of marine ply
and fiberglass. It was a work of art, quite literally. The edges at the
roof line and corners were rounded, and the gel coat inside and out was
damned near perfect. He built the top over one long winter in
Connecticut, and then, when it was complete, it was one snazzy service
vehicle. Wish I had a photo of it. It was quite the chick-picker-upper, too.

You seem to have a different approach. :)

On Feb 4, 9:53*am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 4, 7:52 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. *I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. *Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. *When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? *No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? *Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. *Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. *It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. *Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.
I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.
--Vic
I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.

Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.

The MiniCups were designed to be easy to build but short lifespan
boats..Once i got mine built, I decided that I didnt like the short
lifespan part so I radically rebuilt them. *For example, the sails as
designed are actually to be made from visqueen and duct tape. *I
finally sewed mine from white polytarp that has internal threads for
addl tear resistance.
As designed, the boats use mild steel fasteners but in rebuilding them
I took out all the old fasteners and used stainless of just epoxy. *I
redesigned the mast step and the joint for the gaff and boom to be
very strong.
Eventually, I intend to publish plans for a modern stitch and glue
(epoxy) version that will last a long time.

Crikey...do you build chairs that are designed to collapse if anyone
sits on them?

It takes no longer to build something properly, and out of proper
materials. Why bother with a little sailboat held together with steel
nails and with a duct tape and plastic garbage bag sail? What's the point?

Back in the old days, my dad built a top for his jeep out of marine ply
and fiberglass. It was a work of art, quite literally. The edges at the
roof line and corners were rounded, and the gel coat inside and out was
damned near perfect. He built the top over one long winter in
Connecticut, and then, when it was complete, it was one snazzy service
vehicle. Wish I had a photo of it. It was quite the chick-picker-upper, too.

You seem to have a different approach. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffffttt. . what a bunch of bull****.. From top to bottom as it
were...

wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:53 am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 4, 7:52 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.
I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.
--Vic
I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.
Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.
The MiniCups were designed to be easy to build but short lifespan
boats..Once i got mine built, I decided that I didnt like the short
lifespan part so I radically rebuilt them. For example, the sails as
designed are actually to be made from visqueen and duct tape. I
finally sewed mine from white polytarp that has internal threads for
addl tear resistance.
As designed, the boats use mild steel fasteners but in rebuilding them
I took out all the old fasteners and used stainless of just epoxy. I
redesigned the mast step and the joint for the gaff and boom to be
very strong.
Eventually, I intend to publish plans for a modern stitch and glue
(epoxy) version that will last a long time.
Crikey...do you build chairs that are designed to collapse if anyone
sits on them?

It takes no longer to build something properly, and out of proper
materials. Why bother with a little sailboat held together with steel
nails and with a duct tape and plastic garbage bag sail? What's the point?

Back in the old days, my dad built a top for his jeep out of marine ply
and fiberglass. It was a work of art, quite literally. The edges at the
roof line and corners were rounded, and the gel coat inside and out was
damned near perfect. He built the top over one long winter in
Connecticut, and then, when it was complete, it was one snazzy service
vehicle. Wish I had a photo of it. It was quite the chick-picker-upper, too.

You seem to have a different approach. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffffttt. . what a bunch of bull****.. From top to bottom as it
were...


My dad was a successful boat dealer, boat builder and marina operator
for about 30 years. What he did not build was crappy little stitch and
glue dinghies. But, of course, you don't even do that anymore.

On Feb 4, 9:53 am, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 4, 7:52 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:04:55 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
OK its not a boat, its the camper I am building.
I thought you were opposed to abortions, and now you are building one, eh?
I'll admit, my first boat was an abortion. I rebuilt it though.
My first boat (12' MiniCup sailboat) really was a sort of
Frankenboat. Being pathologically unable to follow directions,
everything I do turns into an experiment. When I ran out of epoxy
thickener, I looked around for powdery materials on hand, hmmm, cement
dust, nah, flour? No, bug'sll eat it, Sevin dust? Hmm, insecticide
dust as an epoxy thickener sounded like a great idea. Combine bug
killer and epoxy in one. It actually worked but even I got scared to
use ita lot.
Ran out of epoxy, tried Gorilla Glue, awful stuff for a boat but it
worked long enough. Eventually it does lose adhesion in water though
and the mast step collapsed.
I can think of a lot of ways to "experiment" and save money, but most
of us draw a sharper line on something we care about.
So I assume you didn't care a whit about that boat.
--Vic
I think it apparent from what he has posted here that expediency is the
ruling word for whatever he builds, and if all he has available for boat
building is gorilla glue, then that is what he will use.

Last week he said he sold products to the Chinese. That seems...fitting.

The MiniCups were designed to be easy to build but short lifespan
boats..Once i got mine built, I decided that I didnt like the short
lifespan part so I radically rebuilt them. For example, the sails as
designed are actually to be made from visqueen and duct tape. I
finally sewed mine from white polytarp that has internal threads for
addl tear resistance.
As designed, the boats use mild steel fasteners but in rebuilding them
I took out all the old fasteners and used stainless of just epoxy. I
redesigned the mast step and the joint for the gaff and boom to be
very strong.
Eventually, I intend to publish plans for a modern stitch and glue
(epoxy) version that will last a long time.

Crikey...do you build chairs that are designed to collapse if anyone
sits on them?

It takes no longer to build something properly, and out of proper
materials. Why bother with a little sailboat held together with steel
nails and with a duct tape and plastic garbage bag sail? What's the point?

Back in the old days, my dad built a top for his jeep out of marine ply
and fiberglass. It was a work of art, quite literally. The edges at the
roof line and corners were rounded, and the gel coat inside and out was
damned near perfect. He built the top over one long winter in
Connecticut, and then, when it was complete, it was one snazzy service
vehicle. Wish I had a photo of it. It was quite the chick-picker-upper, too.

You seem to have a different approach. :)

These truly were designed to be "thrown together" boats allowing a
person to then go on and build the next type of boat in the series (I
think it was called "Plyflyer"). This is just what a pathological
experimenter like myself needs. For many of us, the experimenting
part is better than the actual use. Cost is rarely an issue in
experimenting, it's more like, I wonder if this will work better?
The good thing about the MiniCups is that they have an oversized
lateen rig so they carry an enormous amount of sail. In light air,
they are sorta slow but when the wind gets to about 10 kts and above,
the huge sail makes them go like hell. If they break, who cares, it's
a thrill riding em at the edge, rebuild for next to nothing and go
again.
With wind 10 kts or above on anything not really close hauled, my
MiniCup will easily outsail a Laser.