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Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:59:08 -0500, John H
wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. When she gets one from the Pan Galactic Overlord, don't tell her. :) -- "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:44:46 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:59:08 -0500, John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. When she gets one from the Pan Galactic Overlord, don't tell her. :) It must be possible, somehow, to enter what you wish as 'donor'! I'll pretend I don't know who it is. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * |
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On Jan 28, 5:56*pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:44:46 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:59:08 -0500, John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. When she gets one from the Pan Galactic Overlord, don't tell her. *:) It must be possible, somehow, to enter what you wish as 'donor'! I'll pretend I don't know who it is. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * Even if the pledge is quataloons? |
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On Jan 28, 4:59*pm, John H wrote:
Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * Good for her, it appears that she gets quite the joy in raising money for her cause. |
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On Jan 28, 5:44*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:59:08 -0500, John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. When she gets one from the Pan Galactic Overlord, don't tell her. *:) -- "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright John said he'd match all donations up to $100. Me thinks that a person could make more than one, and our buddy John would have to honor them?! |
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John H wrote:
Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. |
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On Jan 29, 11:58*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:58*am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Great idea. -- Looking to for a good time? click here to make yourself feel good. http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? -- Looking to for a good time? click here to make yourself feel good. http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? I got a tip from a guy here at rec.boats. I'd tell you his name, but he'd prefer to remain anonymous. That way people can call him names. Speaking of anonymity, my daughter and I are both trying to figure out how that was done. -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? I got a tip from a guy here at rec.boats. I'd tell you his name, but he'd prefer to remain anonymous. That way people can call him names. Speaking of anonymity, my daughter and I are both trying to figure out how that was done. -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * It is all done with Smoke and Mirrors -- Looking to for a good time? click here to make yourself feel good. http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:20:11 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Great idea. Definitely like your sig line, Reg. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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On Jan 29, 12:06*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58*am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you can get a lot of mileage out of a gallon of ice cream! My now 14 year old daughter has found the delight in Starbuck's hot chocolate at about 4 bucks a cup! |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? That hat sucks - for yuppie dorks. Or retired Army dorks. Real men wear Barmah Bush hats. Pansey. -- If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat? |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:38:26 -0500, John H
wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? I got a tip from a guy here at rec.boats. I'd tell you his name, but he'd prefer to remain anonymous. That way people can call him names. Speaking of anonymity, my daughter and I are both trying to figure out how that was done. It's easy - you put the part of the hat which has the opening in it on your head - it will fall off if you don't. -- Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:46:01 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? I got a tip from a guy here at rec.boats. I'd tell you his name, but he'd prefer to remain anonymous. That way people can call him names. Speaking of anonymity, my daughter and I are both trying to figure out how that was done. -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * It is all done with Smoke and Mirrors Exactly. :) -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields |
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. Speaking of math illiteracy. My son, also bored with winter, hit me with this classic "Monty Hall" challenge last night. Goes something like: ================================================= A contestant is on "Let's Make a Deal". She is told that behind one of three curtains there is a new car. Behind the other two curtains are dirty old goats. She picks a curtain. Before it is opened, one of the other curtains is opened to reveal some dirty old goats. She is then given the opportunity to change her mind about which remaining curtain she thinks the car is behind. What should she do? ================================================ Surprisingly, I chose what is considered to be the correct answer. I'll let those that have never heard of this think about it and decide for themselves. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message .. . Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. Speaking of math illiteracy. My son, also bored with winter, hit me with this classic "Monty Hall" challenge last night. Goes something like: =============================================== == A contestant is on "Let's Make a Deal". She is told that behind one of three curtains there is a new car. Behind the other two curtains are dirty old goats. She picks a curtain. Before it is opened, one of the other curtains is opened to reveal some dirty old goats. She is then given the opportunity to change her mind about which remaining curtain she thinks the car is behind. What should she do? =============================================== = Surprisingly, I chose what is considered to be the correct answer. I'll let those that have never heard of this think about it and decide for themselves. It's simple. There are two doors left which leaves three choices. Of the three choices, two probabilities exist that she wins the car by switching her choice. She switches her choice to increase the probability of winning the car. -- Chaos! Panic! Disaster! (My work here is done) |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:42:48 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 29, 12:06*pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58*am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you can get a lot of mileage out of a gallon of ice cream! My now 14 year old daughter has found the delight in Starbuck's hot chocolate at about 4 bucks a cup! Hey, as long as she's earning the money by mowing the lawn, washing the car, etc., let her go! When my younger daughter was 13-14, the complaint was that her allowance wasn't big enough. I made a list of chores, and together we assigned a monetary value to each. Washing the car was like $5, mowing the grass was $8, doing dishes was $1, vacuuming the house was $5, and so one. Some of the chores were limited, like washing the cars, to once a week or thereabouts. But, she could earn up to $200 a month doing chores from the list. The most she ever earned was about $55, but she didn't whine about her allowance continuously. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:05:14 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? That hat sucks - for yuppie dorks. Or retired Army dorks. Real men wear Barmah Bush hats. Pansey. What were you doing in the bushes, huh? -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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On Jan 29, 3:38*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:42:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 12:06*pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58*am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you can get a lot of mileage out of a gallon of ice cream! My now 14 year old daughter has found the delight in Starbuck's hot chocolate at about 4 bucks a cup! Hey, as long as she's earning the money by mowing the lawn, washing the car, etc., let her go! When my younger daughter was 13-14, the complaint was that her allowance wasn't big enough. I made a list of chores, and together we assigned a monetary value to each. Washing the car was like $5, mowing the grass was $8, doing dishes was $1, vacuuming the house was $5, and so one. Some of the chores were limited, like washing the cars, to once a week or thereabouts. But, she could earn up to $200 a month doing chores from the list. The most she ever earned was about $55, but she didn't whine about her allowance continuously. -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One day last winter Grandma' called and wanted to talk to The Mouse.. I told her Mouse was outside doing the driveway. G'ma asked if we pay her, Mrs. JW said "sure, she get's dinner and a place to sleep tonight"! Acutally, I discourage my kids from working until they graduate although they do have daily chores at home. I will not let them work during the school year, school is number one then. We have a "play" budget here in our home, It's not a lot, but as we pretty much split it equally, the kids have everything they need, including treats.... |
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On Jan 29, 3:39*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:05:14 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? That hat sucks - for yuppie dorks. Or retired Army dorks. Real men wear Barmah Bush hats. Pansey. What were you doing in the bushes, huh? -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't let him fool you, he wears a baseball cap. Wears it backwards too, with the rim in the front;) |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:52:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Jan 29, 3:39*pm, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:05:14 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * *The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? That hat sucks - for yuppie dorks. Or retired Army dorks. Real men wear Barmah Bush hats. Pansey. What were you doing in the bushes, huh? -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * *Definition of a teenager? * * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't let him fool you, he wears a baseball cap. Wears it backwards too, with the rim in the front;) Why do people wear baseball caps backwards? On the boat, with the wind, I'll turn it around so it doesn't blow off. But otherwise, I wear it with the bill in front, blocking the sun. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. Speaking of math illiteracy. My son, also bored with winter, hit me with this classic "Monty Hall" challenge last night. Goes something like: ================================================= A contestant is on "Let's Make a Deal". She is told that behind one of three curtains there is a new car. Behind the other two curtains are dirty old goats. She picks a curtain. Before it is opened, one of the other curtains is opened to reveal some dirty old goats. She is then given the opportunity to change her mind about which remaining curtain she thinks the car is behind. What should she do? ================================================ Surprisingly, I chose what is considered to be the correct answer. I'll let those that have never heard of this think about it and decide for themselves. Eisboch Pick the curtain she did not choose -- Looking to for a good time? click here to make yourself feel good. http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm |
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 29, 11:58 am, John H wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:29:16 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: John H wrote: Make that $200 I'm in the hole for already. Thanks again y'all I'm getting phone calls, "Dad, do you know who (various) is?" He made a donation and I don't know him!" She's thrilled. -- John H * The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. * You really do need to include the link in your sig file. Great idea! Let's see if this works... -- John H Go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Yup, nice hat by the way! Sure looks like a happy family! Must have been the stuff in the ice cream! -- John H Go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm * Definition of a teenager? God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * Damn nice hat, where did you find such a good hat? That hat sucks - for yuppie dorks. Or retired Army dorks. Real men wear Barmah Bush hats. Pansey. -- If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat? Nice had. Lots of shade. Those of us that are pigment challenged need those big hats. |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:29:09 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message . .. Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. Speaking of math illiteracy. My son, also bored with winter, hit me with this classic "Monty Hall" challenge last night. Goes something like: ================================================ = A contestant is on "Let's Make a Deal". She is told that behind one of three curtains there is a new car. Behind the other two curtains are dirty old goats. She picks a curtain. Before it is opened, one of the other curtains is opened to reveal some dirty old goats. She is then given the opportunity to change her mind about which remaining curtain she thinks the car is behind. What should she do? ============================================== == Surprisingly, I chose what is considered to be the correct answer. I'll let those that have never heard of this think about it and decide for themselves. It's simple. There are two doors left which leaves three choices. Of the three choices, two probabilities exist that she wins the car by switching her choice. She switches her choice to increase the probability of winning the car. Doesn't make sense. She made her choice when the odds were 2:1 against her. Since one curtain was eliminated, the odds are now 1:1. Changing her choice won't change the odds. The odds changed when the first curtain was opened. Flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads each time. What are the odds of heads on the 11th flip? Same as they were on the first flip. 1:1. Or even money for you real gamblers. Of which Galactic guys don't qualify. Unless you're wagering quateros on warpsnerk lightbeam racing. --Vic |
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On Jan 29, 10:53*pm, Vic Smith
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:29:09 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... Math illiteracy affects 8 out of every 5 people. Speaking of math illiteracy. My son, also bored with winter, hit me with this classic "Monty Hall" challenge last night. Goes something like: =============================================== == A contestant is on "Let's Make a Deal". She is told that behind one of three curtains there is a new car. Behind the other two curtains are dirty old goats. She picks a curtain. Before it is opened, one of the other curtains is opened to reveal some dirty old goats. She is then given the opportunity to change her mind about which remaining curtain she thinks the car is behind. What should she do? =============================================== = Surprisingly, I chose what is considered to be the correct answer. I'll let those that have never heard of this think about it and decide for themselves. It's simple. There are two doors left which leaves three choices. Of the three choices, two probabilities exist that she wins the car by switching her choice. She switches her choice to increase the probability of winning the car. Doesn't make sense. She made her choice when the odds were 2:1 against her. Since one curtain was eliminated, the odds are now 1:1. Changing her choice won't change the odds. The odds changed when the first curtain was opened. Flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads each time. What are the odds of heads on the 11th flip? Same as they were on the first flip. 1:1. Or even money for you real gamblers. Of which Galactic guys don't qualify. Unless you're wagering quateros on warpsnerk lightbeam racing. --Vic Tom was correct, although I am not sure why. Her probability of winning increases from 33.3% to 66.6% by changing her initial pick. The majority of people do not get this right and don't understand why. This is a classic mathematical probability exercise that has been bashed about for years by everyone from math PhD's to grammar school whiz kids. When she first picked a curtain, she had a 2 in 3 chance of being wrong. That didn't change after the first curtain with goats was opened. But it does change if she changes her choice, and it can only increase her chances of being correct. Here's another explanation: http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.monty.hall.html Eisboch |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:22:27 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: Tom was correct, although I am not sure why. Only if the problem is expressed with the understanding that "Monty knows." IOW, if Monty knows, and *always* picks a door with goats behind it, it changes the odds Her probability of winning increases from 33.3% to 66.6% by changing her initial pick. The majority of people do not get this right and don't understand why. This is a classic mathematical probability exercise that has been bashed about for years by everyone from math PhD's to grammar school whiz kids. When she first picked a curtain, she had a 2 in 3 chance of being wrong. That didn't change after the first curtain with goats was opened. But it does change if she changes her choice, and it can only increase her chances of being correct. That makes sense - but only when Monty always changes the randomness with his knowledge. If Monty didn't know, 1/3 of the time he would pick the car, making the contestant a loser OTOH, if he didn't know, and picked the goats, it wouldn't do any good for the contestant to change doors. That's how I took the problem. Good explanation by the guy below. And it's well explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem Now, having proved I was right given how the problem was expressed and my assumption of randomness, I'll admit I *might* have been fooled if was expressed as "Monty knows." I'll never know now. But since it wasn't, I'll just say I was right and leave it at that (-: --Vic http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68845 (post #8) "I'll try to explain it in words, without going through the math. When you first select a door, there is a one-third chance that you picked the correct door, and a two-thirds chance the correct door is one of the two you did not pick. Now, let's imagine a slight variation of the game. The rules are the same, except that when Monty shows you a door he also has no idea what is behind the door he picks. If Monty's door has the car, you lose and the game is over. If Monty's door has a goat, you have the choice of keeping your door or selecting another. Note that the only difference between this and the "real" game is that Monty does not know what is behind his door. Since Monty doesn't know where the car is, one-third of the time he picks the car and you lose. The other two-thirds of the time - when Monty's door has a goat - the car is equally likely to be behind either door.. In that case it makes no difference if you switch. Note that in this variation of the game your odds of winning are one-third no matter what strategy you employ. One third of the time you lose when Monty opens his door and you aren't even given a chance to switch. Of the remaining two-thirds, you win half of the time. *** But Monty doesn't play the game that way. Monty knows what door has the car, and when he picks a door he never picks a door that has a car. IOW - Monty eliminates the one-third of outcomes where you lose without having a chance to pick a door. (If you're a craps player, it's like playing a craps game in which 2, 3 or 12 aren't craps - you can never lose on the come out roll.) Think about how that changes the game. Go back to when you first picked a door. At that point there was a two-thirds chance that you picked the wrong door. That situation remains. When Monty opens his door, you now know that: There is a two-thirds chance that the car is behind one of the doors you didn't pick. The car is not behind the door that Monty picked - which means that there is a two-thirds chance the car is behind the door Monty did not pick. **** I think that what hangs up many people on the Monty Hall situation is that they don't appreciate the significance of the fact that Monty does not open a door randomly. In the first variant I laid out, Monty does open a door randomly; in that case door switching doesn't make any difference. But when Monty doesn't select a door at random, the odds change. __________________ Steve Nelson" |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:53:28 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: Doesn't make sense. She made her choice when the odds were 2:1 against her. Since one curtain was eliminated, the odds are now 1:1. Changing her choice won't change the odds. The odds changed when the first curtain was opened. Flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads each time. What are the odds of heads on the 11th flip? Same as they were on the first flip. 1:1. Or even money for you real gamblers. Of which Galactic guys don't qualify. Unless you're wagering quateros on warpsnerk lightbeam racing. No. You thinking about it the wrong way 'round. We're talking probabilities. Initially, she had a 1 in 3 chance when she picked her first door. When Monty revealed the goats behind one of the doors, her probability of choosing the correct door increased to 2 in 3. The key to understanding this is that the past can be ignored when assessing the probability because it doesn't not matter which door the player initially picks and which door the host opens. The second key is that the host knows which door has the car. It a variation of Bertrand's Box Paradox in which three boxes: a box containing two gold coins, a box with two silver coins, and a box with one of each are involved in a similar situation. Draw out a decision tree - you'll see how it works. -- If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat? |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:23:59 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: The key to understanding this is that the past can be ignored when assessing the probability because it doesn't not matter which door the player initially picks and which door the host opens. The second key is that the host knows which door has the car. And that he never picks the car. Answered this to Eisboch. It's interesting. But only if you like thinking. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
It's simple. There are two doors left which leaves three choices. Of the three choices, two probabilities exist that she wins the car by switching her choice. She switches her choice to increase the probability of winning the car. Doesn't make sense. She made her choice when the odds were 2:1 against her. Since one curtain was eliminated, the odds are now 1:1. Changing her choice won't change the odds. The odds changed when the first curtain was opened. Flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads each time. What are the odds of heads on the 11th flip? Same as they were on the first flip. 1:1. Or even money for you real gamblers. Of which Galactic guys don't qualify. Unless you're wagering quateros on warpsnerk lightbeam racing. --Vic You are correct if NO one knew which curtains hide the goats and which one hide the car, but Monty Hall knows where the goat is hidden and where the car is hidden and will open the curtain with the goat. When you made your first guess, you have a 2/3 chance of losing, after he opens the curtain with the goat, if you change your choice, you now have a 2/3 chance of winning the car. If you make a diagram of the options it will help you visualize the options. -- Looking to for a good time? click here to make yourself feel good. http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:31:46 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:23:59 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: The key to understanding this is that the past can be ignored when assessing the probability because it doesn't not matter which door the player initially picks and which door the host opens. The second key is that the host knows which door has the car. And that he never picks the car. Answered this to Eisboch. It's interesting. But only if you like thinking. LOL!! 10-4. -- "I have tried to know absolutely nothing about a great many things, and I have succeeded fairly well." Robert Benchley |
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