Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

Obama’s Order Is Likely to Tighten Auto Standards
By JOHN M. BRODER and PETER BAKER
NYT

WASHINGTON — President Obama will direct federal regulators on Monday to
move swiftly on an application by California and 13 other states to set
strict automobile emission and fuel efficiency standards, two
administration officials said Sunday.

The directive makes good on an Obama campaign pledge and signifies a
sharp reversal of Bush administration policy. Granting California and
the other states the right to regulate tailpipe emissions would be one
of the most emphatic actions Mr. Obama could take to quickly put his
stamp on environmental policy.

Mr. Obama’s presidential memorandum will order the Environmental
Protection Agency to reconsider the Bush administration’s past rejection
of the California application. While it stops short of flatly ordering
the Bush decision reversed, the agency’s regulators are now widely
expected to do so after completing a formal review process.

Once they act, automobile manufacturers will quickly have to retool to
begin producing and selling cars and trucks that get higher mileage than
the national standard, and on a faster phase-in schedule. The auto
companies have lobbied hard against the regulations and challenged them
in court.

Mr. Obama will use the announcement to bolster the impression of a sharp
break from the Bush era on all fronts, following his decisions last week
to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba; tighten limits
on interrogation tactics by Central Intelligence Agency officers; order
plans to withdraw combat forces from Iraq; and reverse President George
W. Bush’s financing restrictions on groups that promote or provide
abortion overseas, administration officials said.

Beyond acting on the California emissions law, officials said, Mr. Obama
will direct the Transportation Department to quickly finalize interim
nationwide regulations requiring the automobile industry to increase
fuel efficiency standards to comply with a 2007 law, rules that the Bush
administration decided at the last minute not to issue.

To avoid losing another year, Mr. Obama will order temporary regulations
to be completed by March so automakers have enough time to retool for
vehicles sold in 2011. Final standards for later years will be
determined by a separate process that under Mr. Obama’s order must take
into consideration legal, scientific and technological factors.

He will also order federal departments and agencies to find new ways to
save energy and be more environmentally friendly. And he will highlight
the elements in his $825 billion economic stimulus plan intended to
create jobs around renewable energy.

The announcements, to be made in the East Room, will begin a week of
efforts to get the stimulus plan through Congress. The White House hopes
the Senate will confirm Timothy F. Geithner as Treasury secretary on
Monday, and Mr. Obama plans to travel to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to meet
with both Senate and House Republican caucuses and lobby for his
stimulus package. Mr. Obama’s aides expect the House to vote on its plan
on Wednesday.
- - -

So far, Obama is doing very well on this liberal's agenda.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
Obama’s Order Is Likely to Tighten Auto Standards
By JOHN M. BRODER and PETER BAKER
NYT

WASHINGTON — President Obama will direct federal regulators on Monday to
move swiftly on an application by California and 13 other states to set
strict automobile emission and fuel efficiency standards, two
administration officials said Sunday.

The directive makes good on an Obama campaign pledge and signifies a
sharp reversal of Bush administration policy. Granting California and
the other states the right to regulate tailpipe emissions would be one
of the most emphatic actions Mr. Obama could take to quickly put his
stamp on environmental policy.

Mr. Obama’s presidential memorandum will order the Environmental
Protection Agency to reconsider the Bush administration’s past rejection
of the California application. While it stops short of flatly ordering
the Bush decision reversed, the agency’s regulators are now widely
expected to do so after completing a formal review process.

Once they act, automobile manufacturers will quickly have to retool to
begin producing and selling cars and trucks that get higher mileage than
the national standard, and on a faster phase-in schedule. The auto
companies have lobbied hard against the regulations and challenged them
in court.

Mr. Obama will use the announcement to bolster the impression of a sharp
break from the Bush era on all fronts, following his decisions last week
to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba; tighten limits
on interrogation tactics by Central Intelligence Agency officers; order
plans to withdraw combat forces from Iraq; and reverse President George
W. Bush’s financing restrictions on groups that promote or provide
abortion overseas, administration officials said.

Beyond acting on the California emissions law, officials said, Mr. Obama
will direct the Transportation Department to quickly finalize interim
nationwide regulations requiring the automobile industry to increase
fuel efficiency standards to comply with a 2007 law, rules that the Bush
administration decided at the last minute not to issue.

To avoid losing another year, Mr. Obama will order temporary regulations
to be completed by March so automakers have enough time to retool for
vehicles sold in 2011. Final standards for later years will be
determined by a separate process that under Mr. Obama’s order must take
into consideration legal, scientific and technological factors.

He will also order federal departments and agencies to find new ways to
save energy and be more environmentally friendly. And he will highlight
the elements in his $825 billion economic stimulus plan intended to
create jobs around renewable energy.

The announcements, to be made in the East Room, will begin a week of
efforts to get the stimulus plan through Congress. The White House hopes
the Senate will confirm Timothy F. Geithner as Treasury secretary on
Monday, and Mr. Obama plans to travel to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to meet
with both Senate and House Republican caucuses and lobby for his
stimulus package. Mr. Obama’s aides expect the House to vote on its plan
on Wednesday.
- - -

So far, Obama is doing very well on this liberal's agenda.
He needs to listen to reason and science. Just telling the Industry to
give pie in the sky is idiotic. Engines already are anemic. The Ethanol
junk cost us money, mileage, and extra maintenance. Of course if you
don't drive much and trade every couple of years, you have the money to
not care.
I won't be buying California crazies demanded engine ve hick les.
Have you smelled urea? They are going to mandate buying the not
inexpensive stuff, to be injected into Diesels. That is supposed to
lower their emissions. Diesels are getting to the point that they won't
be viable power plants for the road. Gas engines certainly can't fill
the bill either. Caterpillar is getting out of the road engine diesel
engine business because of these crazies. Of course their ultimate goal
is to force everyone to ride bikes. They have seen too many travel
photos of Orientals carrying half the family on one or a two hundred
pounds of produce. They are already responsible for vehicles so high
priced that People are putting off buying one. Have you tried to get a
family of four into the shoe boxes they are designing by edict in the
corner coffee houses, in California? How much have you saved from their
expensive pug ugly 2 1/2 mph bumpers?

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve our
cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem, with the
added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national health care
system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
Obama’s Order Is Likely to Tighten Auto Standards
By JOHN M. BRODER and PETER BAKER
NYT

WASHINGTON — President Obama will direct federal regulators on Monday to
move swiftly on an application by California and 13 other states to set
strict automobile emission and fuel efficiency standards, two
administration officials said Sunday.

How is this going to help the guy working the line at the GM, Ford and
Chrysler factory?

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve our
cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem, with the
added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national health care
system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control. Controlling
the ability of the population to freely move about the country.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve
our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem,
with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national
health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control. Controlling
the ability of the population to freely move about the country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve
our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem,
with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national
health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity
problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new
national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward
thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama administration
is planning to restrict "the ability of the population to freely move
about the country."

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity
problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new
national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward
thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama administration
is planning to restrict "the ability of the population to freely move
about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity
problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new
national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward
thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the population
to freely move about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?


In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost of
our new national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a
forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the population
to freely move about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?


In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate the
25,000,000 the figured needed it.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost of
our new national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a
forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?


In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate the
25,000,000 the figured needed it.


That's your proof Obama wants to restrict travel? Do you have anything
but right-wing bull**** to sell here?

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost
of our new national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a
forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?


In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate
the 25,000,000 the figured needed it.


That's your proof Obama wants to restrict travel? Do you have anything
but right-wing bull**** to sell here?

Harry you went to college you can think real good can't you. Put some of
that higher education to work.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost
of our new national health care system. Damn, Obama is truly
a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.


snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?



Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."


Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?


In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate
the 25,000,000 the figured needed it.


That's your proof Obama wants to restrict travel? Do you have anything
but right-wing bull**** to sell here?

Harry you went to college you can think real good can't you. Put some of
that higher education to work.


Sorry, I'm not interested enough in your off-planet right-wing fantasies
to spend any time parsing them. Please tell why Obama wants to restrict
travel and how he plans to do it.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:


Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve
our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem,
with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national
health care system. Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.


snerk What an idiot you are.
The gas mileage thing is another incidence of the east and west coastal
cities dictating the policy for 85% of the country. While you may be
able to ride a bicycle in the coastal cities, have you ever tried to
ride a bicycle when it is below zero, a ten mph wind, and there is six
inches of snow on the ground.

The gasoline engines in cars today are working at their peak energy
output, there is only so much energy available in the carbon hydrogen
bond that is oxidized when fuel is burned. (If you don't understand the
above sentence you have no right to discuss gas mileage. It is a basic
natural property. It is as basic as a windmill needs wind.)

The only way to reduce our dependence on gasoline is to move the
transportation and energy industries to nuclear power. We have NO other
options.

Corn and wind are dependent on the whims of nature. Both can be
completely destroyed and removed from the system for years by one ice
storm, such as the one that went through the Midwest recently. If they
are not gotten by an ice storm there are floods, hurricanes, and earth
quakes any of which could cause havoc in the energy industry using them
to generate energy.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

On Jan 26, 8:15*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:

*Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! *With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost
of our new national health care system. *Damn, Obama is truly
a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.

snerk What an idiot you are.

Care to make a wager one this Harry?

Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."

Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.

How do you control a population?

In your right-wing kind of world?

With cattle prods and concentration camps.

Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate
the 25,000,000 the figured needed it.

That's your proof Obama wants to restrict travel? Do you have anything
but right-wing bull**** to sell here?

Harry you went to college you can think real good can't you. Put some of
that higher education to work.

Sorry, I'm not interested enough in your off-planet right-wing fantasies
to spend any time parsing them. Please tell why Obama wants to restrict
travel and how he plans to do it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, you answer questions as well as any liberal in Government....!
Only difference is, you can't have anyone arrested for asking, but you
can "plummer" them. Hey, you should run for Office.

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

On Jan 26, 8:17*am, Keith nuttle wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:

*Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.

Great idea! *With the improved air quality, the exercise will improve
our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's obesity problem,
with the added advantage of cutting the cost of our new national
health care system. *Damn, Obama is truly a forward thinking President.

Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about the
country.

snerk What an idiot you are.

The gas mileage thing is another incidence of the east and west coastal
cities dictating the policy for 85% of the country. *While you may be
able to ride a bicycle in the coastal cities, have you ever tried to
ride a bicycle when it is below zero, a ten mph wind, and there is six
inches of snow on the ground.

The gasoline engines in cars today are working at their peak energy
output, there is only so much energy available in the carbon hydrogen
bond that is oxidized when fuel is burned. (If you don't understand the
above sentence you have no right to discuss gas mileage. It is a basic
natural property. It is as basic as a windmill needs wind.)

The only way to reduce our dependence on gasoline is to move the
transportation and energy industries to nuclear power. *We have NO other
options.

Corn and wind are dependent on the whims of nature. *Both can be
completely destroyed and removed from the system for years by one ice
storm, such as the one that went through the Midwest recently. *If they
are not gotten by an ice storm there are floods, hurricanes, and earth
quakes any of which could cause havoc in the energy industry using them
to generate energy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's amazing how stupid some of these people are. I was talking to a
friend in DC last week, she insisted that everyone would be fine
riding bikes, walking, or on colder days just taking the bus to work.
I wasn't surprised she had no answer for our neighborhood where there
are no busses, or sidewalks for that matter. I also noted that I could
not pull a trailer, take the dog to the lake, or carry family
groceries etc without a car, being single she really had no answer for
that either. But still insisted that the rest of the country should be
able to adjust as she does. What really is funny though is when she
does have need for a car, she rents one and heads out;) These people
are so narrow minded, I just don't get it...

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

On Jan 26, 8:28*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:15 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:
*Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.
Great idea! *With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost
of our new national health care system. *Damn, Obama is truly
a forward thinking President.
Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.
snerk What an idiot you are.
Care to make a wager one this Harry?
Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."
Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.
How do you control a population?
In your right-wing kind of world?
With cattle prods and concentration camps.
Thats how Bill Ayers and his group were going to house and reeducate
the 25,000,000 the figured needed it.
That's your proof Obama wants to restrict travel? Do you have anything
but right-wing bull**** to sell here?
Harry you went to college you can think real good can't you. Put some of
that higher education to work.
Sorry, I'm not interested enough in your off-planet right-wing fantasies
to spend any time parsing them. Please tell why Obama wants to restrict
travel and how he plans to do it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, you answer questions as well as any liberal in Government....!
Only difference is, you can't have anyone arrested for asking, but you
can "plummer" them. Hey, you should run for Office.

Work on your ADD, eh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've been plummered!

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

Obama Revisits Auto Pollution Standards
 

On Jan 26, 8:39*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:15 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:32:32 -0500, Frog Britches wrote:
*Of course their ultimate goal is to
force everyone to ride bikes.
Great idea! *With the improved air quality, the exercise will
improve our cardio-vascular systems and fight the nation's
obesity problem, with the added advantage of cutting the cost
of our new national health care system. *Damn, Obama is truly
a forward thinking President.
Too bad you can't see the real reason. It is about control.
Controlling the ability of the population to freely move about
the country.
snerk What an idiot you are.
Care to make a wager one this Harry?
Please cite some non-lunatic sources that prove the Obama
administration is planning to restrict "the ability of the
population to freely move about the country."
Give it some thought Harry. More than your usual cursory thought.