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The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:33:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: Cleland picked up the grenade because he thought it was his, and he always bent the pins so they would not go off accidentally. Not so. Grenade fuses leave the factory with the pins bent, and they are so difficult to withdraw that some would straighten the pins and carry them that way. Casady |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:29:59 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:20:13 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:04:00 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 23, 11:21 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:12:42 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: Earning a living wage is down the drain. It's a rush to find the cheapest labor, cheapest materials, least expensive transportation. When you go to the store do you buy the 50 cent cup of coffee or do you buy the $5 cup of coffee. The $5 cup of coffee provides the employees with a living wage? When I go to the store, I look for what made in America. If it's not twice as much I buy it. Money, mouth. Pfffttt.. right... What was the last American made product you bought in lieu of a foreign product? Or are you just making it up.... uh, forget it... snerk You're a ****ing idiot. I was in a Sears and Home Depot the other day looking for tools for our assembly bench and saw nothing but **** from China and Taiwan. I went to a small tool reseller the following day and bought tools made in America and Germany. Money, mouth, asshole. Since when is Germany in the USA? They didn't have an American version of the electronics style philips head I was looking for. The guy told me he didn't have any American made and finding something could take weeks. I didn't have weeks. I went for a backup choice, from a country that worships technical precision and pays workers fair wages. Capiche? Yes, jps, Germany is a 'worker's paradise'. You liberals should maybe check some of your facts before putting down the USA. "More German adults and children are living in poverty – that is, living in a household with less than half the median income – today than in 1985. For the total population the income poverty rate increased from 6% to 11% while for children it increased from 7% to 16%. There was no increase among older people: their poverty rate remained stable at around 7% (for those aged 66-74) and 11% (those aged 75 and over)." And... "Government redistribution through household taxes and benefits has reduced income inequality and poverty but not enough to stop the rapidly increasing gap between rich and poor. Transfers are less targeted to lower income groups than in other countries." Gosh, government wealth redistribution didn't work either. Damn, what a shame. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/45/25/41525346.pdf Capiche???? |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:33:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:51:39 -0500, John H wrote: Find a lie and post it! "Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. ... Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam. ... "Cleland ... didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight." Ann Coulter talking about triple amputee Max Cleland. The "non-combat" mission was at Khe Sanh, April 8, 1968. Do you really think he was about to go "drink beer with friends." Actually, according to Max Cleland, that is exactly what he was doing, but according to an eyewitness, it was a rookie private who stated he dropped the grenade, not Cleland. Cleland picked up the grenade because he thought it was his, and he always bent the pins so they would not go off accidentally. No - grenades come from the factory with the pins bent - Cleland straightened his like a lot of us did. What Cleland did was pretty stupid. -- "Never fight an inanimate object." P.J. O'Rourke |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:39:31 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:33:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:51:39 -0500, John H wrote: Find a lie and post it! "Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. ... Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam. ... "Cleland ... didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight." Ann Coulter talking about triple amputee Max Cleland. The "non-combat" mission was at Khe Sanh, April 8, 1968. Do you really think he was about to go "drink beer with friends." Actually, according to Max Cleland, that is exactly what he was doing, but according to an eyewitness, it was a rookie private who stated he dropped the grenade, not Cleland. Cleland picked up the grenade because he thought it was his, and he always bent the pins so they would not go off accidentally. No - grenades come from the factory with the pins bent - Cleland straightened his like a lot of us did. What Cleland did was pretty stupid. The bottom line is that Thunder's example of a lie by Coulter was a **** poor example. -- John H * Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. * |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:46:03 -0500, HK wrote:
Reggie read something on the internet and believed it. It really wasn't about the beer, or the grenade. Imagine a Liberal trashing a soldier that lost three limbs in the service of this country. That's what Saxby Chambliss did, and also Ann Coulter. I used the quotes to point out that some on the right, have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one. |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:49:59 -0500, John H
wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:39:31 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:33:05 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:51:39 -0500, John H wrote: Find a lie and post it! "Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. ... Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam. ... "Cleland ... didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight." Ann Coulter talking about triple amputee Max Cleland. The "non-combat" mission was at Khe Sanh, April 8, 1968. Do you really think he was about to go "drink beer with friends." Actually, according to Max Cleland, that is exactly what he was doing, but according to an eyewitness, it was a rookie private who stated he dropped the grenade, not Cleland. Cleland picked up the grenade because he thought it was his, and he always bent the pins so they would not go off accidentally. No - grenades come from the factory with the pins bent - Cleland straightened his like a lot of us did. What Cleland did was pretty stupid. The bottom line is that Thunder's example of a lie by Coulter was a **** poor example. 10-4. -- "An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup." H.L. Mencken |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:39:31 +0000, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
No - grenades come from the factory with the pins bent - Cleland straightened his like a lot of us did. What Cleland did was pretty stupid. It wasn't Cleland's grenade that blew up. |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:53:35 -0600, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:46:03 -0500, HK wrote: Reggie read something on the internet and believed it. It really wasn't about the beer, or the grenade. Imagine a Liberal trashing a soldier that lost three limbs in the service of this country. That's what Saxby Chambliss did, and also Ann Coulter. I used the quotes to point out that some on the right, have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one. Does the loss of limbs give a person the right to do or say anything they wish? Where is the 'trashing' of the man? He did something stupid. He was certainly not a hero. "Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. ... Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam. ... "Cleland ... didn't 'give his limbs for his country,' or leave them 'on the battlefield.' There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight." More, from another source: "Cleland may be the bravest, most patriotic man alive, but the terrible wounds he suffered from the grenade accident don’t testify to those traits. Coulter has a point when she mocks Terry McAuliffe for strongly implying that Cleland lost his limbs in combat. He didn’t, which is why he wasn’t awarded a Purple Heart." -- John H * Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. * |
The Audacity of Dopes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:58:15 -0600, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:39:31 +0000, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: No - grenades come from the factory with the pins bent - Cleland straightened his like a lot of us did. What Cleland did was pretty stupid. It wasn't Cleland's grenade that blew up. No, but instead of yelling 'GRENADE' and hitting the dirt, he picked it up. That is not a smart thing to do. -- John H * Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them. * |
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