The failed Obama administration
 

On Jan 21, 6:50*pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 21, 4:40*pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:13:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and lighting a
fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?

You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" * for that one.

It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for responses
imposed by Doug.

Actually I'm going to swipe that "do it" comment and use it for
myself.

It's pretty funny.

You have my permission.. not that you need it;)

Well there you go. *Ask and ye shall receive.

Receive what I'm not too sure of, but I'll receive it.

You still going to the boat show with me on Saturday?

How about lunch at Rein's after? *Sound good?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, what time?

The failed Obama administration
 

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:05:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 6:50*pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 21, 4:40*pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:13:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and lighting a
fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?

You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" * for that one.

It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for responses
imposed by Doug.

Actually I'm going to swipe that "do it" comment and use it for
myself.

It's pretty funny.

You have my permission.. not that you need it;)

Well there you go. *Ask and ye shall receive.

Receive what I'm not too sure of, but I'll receive it.

You still going to the boat show with me on Saturday?

How about lunch at Rein's after? *Sound good?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, what time?

Show opens at 10 am - I'll pick you up around 9:30.

I figure a couple of hours wandering around - not sure how many
exhibitors there are this year - I think it's been a little downsized,
but there should be enough there to keep us busy for an hour or two.

I figure Rein's around 1 or so.

I'll call you tomorrow night and firm things up.

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:19:33 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:55:14 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:32:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an
uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and
lighting
a fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his
local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?

You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" for that one.

It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for
responses imposed by Doug.

Eisboch

Whooooooosh indeed.

Did you see the post in which JustHate made that nose-picking
suggestion? Or the posts in which he described being pushed down the
stairs at the local cop shop?

JustHate is about as uneducated and ignorant as they come, a fool
who
actually believes *all* the right-wing propaganda he can find.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sarcasm boy, sarcasm.. Even the least of us can understand that
knowing Joe.. You however are so clouded by hate and fear, you can't
even think anymore. I along with most here were fooled I suppose, we
thought after yesterday you would calm down, but it seems you are
drifting further into oblivion. God bless you son, you need it...

==============

So what about that article about State Street Bank? What are your
thoughts
on that, and how it contradicts claims that Obama made the market go
down?


Should I find an article saying Obama had a negative impact on the
market?
Would you believe it?
--
John H


Sure. Go find it.


Answer the questions first.
--
John H


I did. "Sure" meant yes, I'd believe such an article. But, there's a
catch:
It had better be one hell of a good article in order to contradict the
real
story.


Do name-calling and personal insults enhance your self-esteem? Do they add
to your 'arguments'? Have you noticed that this is a common liberal
technique, which you share with Harry?
--
John H


There were no insults in the message to which you responded. Where's the
article you said you might be able to find?

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:39:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 4:55 pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Yeah, if you'll notice, John, yesterday just a tad before 9am, I said
something about being able to get there in time, very shortly after is
when Harry said that his wife finally had enough clothes on. Now, WELL
before that, they said that it was total gridlock, no one was getting
anywhere near there, and public transportation was halted!! Can't wait
to hear how that all played into Harry's grand once in a lifetime
historical event. I'm sure Obama praised him for his efforts
personally.

************************************************** *********

Wow! All Johnny had to do was apply a bit of 'bitch-slappin' and you're
as
meek & mild as a kitten, let alone busy sucking up to him.
Shameful behaviour....I'm embarrassed for you.

Maybe you should hit him with your purse!

Pink RAV4, pink panties, and now a purse. Damn. Next it'll be Barbie
Dolls.
Wonder if he'll repaint the boat to match the pink RAV4?
--
John H


My my Johnny...you are really fixated on pink this & pink that.
Easter is only a few months away, maybe your family will buy you a new
bonnet.

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"Cohen The Barbarian" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:05:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 6:50 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 21, 4:40 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:13:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and
lighting a
fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his
local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?

You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" for that one.

It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for
responses
imposed by Doug.

Actually I'm going to swipe that "do it" comment and use it for
myself.

It's pretty funny.

You have my permission.. not that you need it;)

Well there you go. Ask and ye shall receive.

Receive what I'm not too sure of, but I'll receive it.

You still going to the boat show with me on Saturday?

How about lunch at Rein's after? Sound good?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, what time?

Show opens at 10 am - I'll pick you up around 9:30.

I figure a couple of hours wandering around - not sure how many
exhibitors there are this year - I think it's been a little downsized,
but there should be enough there to keep us busy for an hour or two.

I figure Rein's around 1 or so.

I'll call you tomorrow night and firm things up.

I'd make him get a haircut before I'd be seen with him in public...you do
have a reputation to uphold.

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Don White wrote:
"Cohen The Barbarian" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:05:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 6:50 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:02 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 21, 4:40 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:13:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and
lighting a
fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his
local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?
You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" for that one.
It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for
responses
imposed by Doug.
Actually I'm going to swipe that "do it" comment and use it for
myself.
It's pretty funny.
You have my permission.. not that you need it;)
Well there you go. Ask and ye shall receive.

Receive what I'm not too sure of, but I'll receive it.

You still going to the boat show with me on Saturday?

How about lunch at Rein's after? Sound good?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Great, what time?
Show opens at 10 am - I'll pick you up around 9:30.

I figure a couple of hours wandering around - not sure how many
exhibitors there are this year - I think it's been a little downsized,
but there should be enough there to keep us busy for an hour or two.

I figure Rein's around 1 or so.

I'll call you tomorrow night and firm things up.

I'd make him get a haircut before I'd be seen with him in public...you do
have a reputation to uphold.




And make sure he takes his anti-psychotic meds.

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On Jan 21, 8:33*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Cohen The Barbarian" wrote in messagenews:qjefn453v6v43af28l1amiagtgncdu67j2@4ax .com...





On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:05:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 6:50 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:38:02 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
On Jan 21, 4:40 pm, Cohen The Barbarian wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:13:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

You think you are going to have a *discussion* with an uneducated,
ignorant clod who suggests "Do it while picking your nose and
lighting a
fart with a flint!" and who gets shoved down the stairs at his
local
police station for mouthing off to the cops?

You get a "Whhhhhooooooosse" for that one.

It's about the same but funnier than the terms and conditions for
responses
imposed by Doug.

Actually I'm going to swipe that "do it" comment and use it for
myself.

It's pretty funny.

You have my permission.. not that you need it;)

Well there you go. Ask and ye shall receive.

Receive what I'm not too sure of, but I'll receive it.

You still going to the boat show with me on Saturday?

How about lunch at Rein's after? Sound good?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, what time?

Show opens at 10 am - I'll pick you up around 9:30.

I figure a couple of hours wandering around - not sure how many
exhibitors there are this year - I think it's been a little downsized,
but there should be enough there to keep us busy for an hour or two.

I figure Rein's around 1 or so.

I'll call you tomorrow night and firm things up.

I'd make him get a haircut before I'd be seen with him in public...you do
have a reputation to uphold.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, he is not an ignorant, intolerant liberal like you...

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H

Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H

The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so maybe
you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H


Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.

Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H

Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H

The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles
also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so maybe
you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H


Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.

Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news sources
disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a loose cannon,
like the one we just got rid of.

The failed Obama administration
 

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:15:29 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA
regardless of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news
sources disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a
loose cannon, like the one we just got rid of.

Yeah, the few people I know that have actually been to Iran, all say that
most Iranians like Americans. Many of them just don't like our
government.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H
Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H
The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles
also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so maybe
you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H

Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.
Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news sources
disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a loose cannon,
like the one we just got rid of.



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

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"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in some
of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical "emergency"
situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

The failed Obama administration
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no
longer a tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds
in some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch


After the "character flaws and misdeeds" of the last administration,
there's nothing I've seen or heard about the Obama nominees that raises
any issues stronger than the desire of the GOP not to appear whipped.

The failed Obama administration
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch


After the "character flaws and misdeeds" of the last administration,
there's nothing I've seen or heard about the Obama nominees that raises
any issues stronger than the desire of the GOP not to appear whipped.


Harry, a lie is a lie. Tax evasion is tax evasion. Doesn't matter who
you are.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch


Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience running
a horse association served us so well.

The failed Obama administration
 

On Jan 22, 9:45*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch


Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running a horse association served us so well.


I agree that Hillary is a very intelligent, shrewd and politically talented
person.
It still doesn't excuse the fact that she has demonstrated a willingness to
lie in order to achieve a personal goal.

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch

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On Jan 22, 9:49*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message

...





"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running a horse association served us so well.

I agree that Hillary is a very intelligent, shrewd and politically talented
person.
It still doesn't excuse the fact that she has demonstrated a willingness to
lie in order to achieve a personal goal.

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You shouldn't let yourself be fooled by what Obama says. He tends to
change his story depending on the audience. The biggest joke played on
the American public was the MSM refusing to call him out on these
issues...

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Eisboch wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...



Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and
no longer a tool of the pentagram, er, pentagon.


The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is the willingness to overlook/ignore some character
flaws or misdeeds in some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are
in such a critical "emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch


Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now,
if only someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running a horse association served us so well.


I agree that Hillary is a very intelligent, shrewd and politically
talented person.
It still doesn't excuse the fact that she has demonstrated a willingness
to lie in order to achieve a personal goal.

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them.

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"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's going
on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I don't
simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an original
term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching closely, not
because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am sick of the
whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I think we all
have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be critical of
actions that don't conform to his policy of principled government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be
critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch


Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish, some
show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with black &
Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews, but for
many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not at the
inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama demonstrated
that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role models
for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.

The failed Obama administration
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them.


Just two? You weren't trying.

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I
am sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised
Change. I think we all have the right to expect him to do what he
promised and to be critical of actions that don't conform to his policy
of principled government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie)
during the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people
let it be known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be
effective.

Eisboch


Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest" than
the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect Obama,
Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the American
people about what their admin is doing and why.

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On Jan 22, 10:10*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"Eisboch" wrote in message

...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you admit that Obama has never really run anything and has no
experience that would suggest he is ready to be president? If not,
please list some of his accomplishments beyond being an inside trainer
for ACORN's voter fraud initiative?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to
be critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch


Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish,
some show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with
black & Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews,
but for many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not
at the inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama
demonstrated that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role
models for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.


It's important, good, refreshing and history making. It should not,
however, be the primary reason or success story related to Obama's election.
Unfortunately, the media is making it so.

Eisboch

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 10:10 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"Eisboch" wrote in message

...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what
they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing
them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you admit that Obama has never really run anything and has no
experience that would suggest he is ready to be president? If not,
please list some of his accomplishments beyond being an inside trainer
for ACORN's voter fraud initiative?

===================

What a silly question. His history is freely available to anyone who cares
to read it. Of course he has less experience than McCain. But, he also does
not have any of McCain's strange baggage, which I believe would've led
McCain to kill more of our soldiers just to make himself feel young and
potent.

Try to avoid the predictable response. Please.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H
Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H
The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles
also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so maybe
you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H

Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.
Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news sources
disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a loose cannon,
like the one we just got rid of.

Those many Iranians done run their own country. My statement still
stands. Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years.

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On Jan 22, 10:23*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future..

Eisboch

You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.

It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. * I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. *Obama has promised Change. *I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be
critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. *If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch

Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish, some
show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with black &
Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews, but for
many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not at the
inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama demonstrated
that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role models
for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree, I was talking to my neighbors who went through the civil
rights era. We agreed that this was one of the proudest moments in
American History. I still get goosebumps when I think about it, there
are not very many countries in the free world that can say they
elected a minority, in a peaceful manner. I may disagree with Obama,
but he is still my President for the next 4 years anyway. God bless
him..

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"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest" than
the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect Obama, Biden,
Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the American people about
what their admin is doing and why.


Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

Eisboch

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them.

You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody who
really reflects your views.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I
am sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change.
I think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and
to be critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie)
during the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people
let it be known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be
effective.

Eisboch


Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish,
some show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with
black & Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews,
but for many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not
at the inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama
demonstrated that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role
models for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.


It's important, good, refreshing and history making. It should not,
however, be the primary reason or success story related to Obama's
election. Unfortunately, the media is making it so.

Eisboch

It's the primary reason for those kids, who, if they're like most kids,
won't really understand much more about politics for at least another ten
years. If your mom's working three jobs and you haven't seen your father in
15 years, I'd say Obama's a pretty good guy to be aware of.

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 10:23 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch

You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant
issues was a lie.

It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I
am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to
be
critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie)
during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch

Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish,
some
show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with black
&
Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews, but for
many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not at the
inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama demonstrated
that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role
models
for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree, I was talking to my neighbors who went through the civil
rights era. We agreed that this was one of the proudest moments in
American History. I still get goosebumps when I think about it, there
are not very many countries in the free world that can say they
elected a minority, in a peaceful manner. I may disagree with Obama,
but he is still my President for the next 4 years anyway. God bless
him..

===================

The same show included a couple of interviews with Kenyans, who are also
finding him to be an inspiration. Considering what a complete mess Africa
is, this is no small thing.

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H
Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H
The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles
also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so
maybe you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H

Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.
Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news
sources disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a
loose cannon, like the one we just got rid of.

Those many Iranians done run their own country. My statement still stands.
Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years.


Your opinion is based on your vast experience working in

{.............................................}

Fill in the blank.

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what
they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing
them.

You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody who
really reflects your views.


And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with the
wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

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On Jan 22, 10:34*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 22, 10:10 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





wrote in message

....
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message

...

"HK" wrote in message
...

Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what
they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing
them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you admit that Obama has never really run anything and has no
experience that would suggest he is ready to be president? If not,
please list some of his accomplishments beyond being an inside trainer
for ACORN's voter fraud initiative?

===================

What a silly question. His history is freely available to anyone who cares
to read it.

So, your answer is about as clear as this guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

About the same answer as the last statement I asked you to qualify..
You "have a list in your car"? Pffffttt.

Of course he has less experience than McCain. But, he also does
not have any of McCain's strange baggage, which I believe would've led
McCain to kill more of our soldiers just to make himself feel young and
potent.

Yeah, and Obama's ties are to criminals and racist haters, what's the
difference? Here is my list. Jackson, Farrakahn, Rezko, Wright,
Ayres... Now, your turn to actually answer a question...


Try to avoid the predictable response. Please.

If you promise to avoid the predictable non-response...

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.


Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

Eisboch



It's not quite that black or white.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what
they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing
them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody who
really reflects your views.


And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with the
wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...


Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest" than
the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect Obama,
Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the American
people about what their admin is doing and why.


Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

Eisboch



It's not quite that black or white.

Really? It damned should be and that's my point!
I am not talking about having classified information being transparent and
available.
I am talking about personal character attributes.

Eisboch

Eisboch

The failed Obama administration
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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It's the primary reason for those kids, who, if they're like most kids,
won't really understand much more about politics for at least another ten
years. If your mom's working three jobs and you haven't seen your father
in 15 years, I'd say Obama's a pretty good guy to be aware of.


Kids don't elect presidents. Adults elect presidents.

But, I understand and agree with your point.

Eisboch