One of my favorites...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

I also am a big fan and admirer of Muhammad Ali. He talks and makes
more sense than most public people.

I just don't think he's necessarily a big Obama supporter, contrary to
what the media would like you to believe.

Eisboch


I didn't consider his politics, just that I enjoyed seeing his smiling
face, and with Obama. I have no idea what Ali's politics are.

One of my favorites...
 

....from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

One of my favorites...
 

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

One of my favorites...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

One of my favorites...
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

I also am a big fan and admirer of Muhammad Ali. He talks and makes more
sense than most public people.

I just don't think he's necessarily a big Obama supporter, contrary to what
the media would like you to believe.

Eisboch

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 19, 5:46*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
om...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

Yes, truly sad now that he's reduced to a mental midget.

I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?

One of my favorites...
 

Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

Yes, truly sad now that he's reduced to a mental midget.

I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?




I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 19, 5:50*pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthlink .com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. *You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

Yes, truly sad *now that he's reduced to a mental midget.

I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?

I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?

One of my favorites...
 

Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:50 pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.
Yes, truly sad now that he's reduced to a mental midget.
I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?
I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?


Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.

If you were around when the Babe was dying, would you have said, "Well,
he's not so great now, is he?"




BTW, I thought Reagan had Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term.

One of my favorites...
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

One of my favorites...
 

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.



A braver man than you were or ever will be, and also a man of
accomplishment, which you never will be.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 19, 6:33*pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:50 pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. *You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.
Yes, truly sad *now that he's reduced to a mental midget.
I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?
I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control *Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?

Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.

If you were around when the Babe was dying, would you have said, "Well,
he's not so great now, is he?"

BTW, I thought Reagan had Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term..

On Jan 19, 6:33 pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:50 pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.
Yes, truly sad now that he's reduced to a mental midget.
I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?
I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?

Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.

As a boxer? yes. But look at what it has cost him. do you think that
loosing his mental faculties i was worth it to him? maybe to Ali it
was , but I really doubt it.

If you were around when the Babe was dying, would you have said, "Well,
he's not so great now, is he?"

you're right, Harry. Babe was a time honored record holder but his
lifestyle was no example for the kids that worshiped him.

BTW, I thought Reagan had Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term..

yep, that's what a lot in the media thought too.

but unlike Ali, Regan's mental disease wasn't self infllicted for
seeking fame and fortune and glory.

Especially in Ruth's case, I suppose what I'm saying Harry, is that
some people can be a hero and a loser at the same time.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 19, 7:25*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:50*pm, hk wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthlink .com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. *You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

Yes, truly sad *now that he's reduced to a mental midget.

I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?

I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control *Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hell, way back when Atlanta hosted the Olympics, he had to be led
around. I'm sure his symptoms have progressed.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 19, 7:33*pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:50 pm, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. *You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.
Yes, truly sad *now that he's reduced to a mental midget.
I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?
I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post.

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control *Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?

Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.

Then why'd he get beat several times?

If you were around when the Babe was dying, would you have said, "Well,
he's not so great now, is he?"

BTW, I thought Reagan had Alzheimer's by the beginning of his second term..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Have any evidence of that?

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 20, 7:23*am, wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:25*pm, Tim wrote:



On Jan 19, 5:50*pm, hk wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:46 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthlink .com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg
Heh. *You have to be kidding.
Eisboch
Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him
still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

Yes, truly sad *now that he's reduced to a mental midget.

I wonder who told him to smile and look at the camera?

I can't believe *you* posted that, Tim. It smells like a herring post..

not necessarily. The guy has severe brain damage which is well known,
and from what I gather has to be led by the hand and literally told
what to do. I may be wrong about that, but that's my understanding.

Now, here's the real kicker. Reagan's last days in office, it was
discovered or at least speculated that he was in early stages of
Alzheimer's disease, in which the press started to eat him alive and
some showed him no mercy.

Reagan suffered from a mental illness which is associated with age,
and over such he had no control *Ali's brain turned to mush after
having his head continually beat in all for chasing a prize and
bragging that he "is the greatest"

Yes, Howard said he was the "Greatest boxer of all time"

Ali's reputation proceeds him, but he's not so great now, is he?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hell, way back when Atlanta hosted the Olympics, he had to be led
around. I'm sure his symptoms have progressed.

Yeah, but now he's rich and famous, and mindless

One of my favorites...
 

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.


A draft dodger? No. He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *

One of my favorites...
 

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.


A draft dodger? No. He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

I disagree, but that's just my opinion. I believe he became a Black Muslim
and Malcolm X follower so he could use his religion to dodge the draft.
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *

One of my favorites...
 

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. You have to be kidding.

Eisboch


Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.


A draft dodger? No. He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afganistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places at
the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of control..

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afganistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places at
the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 20, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afganistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places at
the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think his point was somewhat of a stretch...

One of my favorites...
 

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afganistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places at
the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *

One of my favorites...
 

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:58 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:

On Jan 20, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural
celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see
him still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector
and paid the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In
1964, Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims.
He became a follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his
religion as a basis for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of
control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afghanistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places
at the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H


I think his point was somewhat of a stretch...

Cheney was not for sale to the military industrial complex that robs the
treasury. He was in on the robbery. Same with Blackwater and other
vendors. No stretch to it. You don't understand that you were not in on it.

You were sold if you don't survive wars.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 21, 8:47*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:58 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
On Jan 20, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural
celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see
him still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector
and paid the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In
1964, Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims.
He became a follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his
religion as a basis for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of
control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afghanistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places
at the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H

I think his point was somewhat of a stretch...

Cheney was not for sale to the military industrial complex that robs the
treasury. He was in on the robbery. Same with Blackwater and other
vendors. No stretch to it. You don't understand that you were not in on it.

One of my favorites...
 

On Jan 20, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see him still
smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector and paid
the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In 1964,
Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims. He became a
follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his religion as a basis
for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afganistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places at
the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'd kind of like to hear this explained too! I read it three times and
it just doesn't make any sense to me!

One of my favorites...
 

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:00:35 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 21, 8:47*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:06:58 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
On Jan 20, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 20, 11:20*am, RLM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:48:53 -0500, John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:27:36 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
news:_5edncfzv5TolujUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@earthli nk.com...
...from the news photos so far from the inaugural
celebrations:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/hank100/Ali.jpg

Heh. *You have to be kidding.

Eisboch

Not at all. I've always been a big fan of Ali. It's good to see
him still smiling, despite all that has befallen him.

A draft dodger just like you.

A draft dodger? * No. * He was a legitimate consciences objector
and paid the price.
No. *He was not a draft dodger.

Eisboch

In 1964, Cassius Clay took the Armed Forces Qualification Test. In
1964, Cassius Clay announced his membership in the Black Muslims.
He became a follower of Malcom X. He then, when inducted, used his
religion as a basis for his pacifism.

Sounds fishy to me.

Follow the bouncing ball.

WWII ended with a couple of big booms. Too big to ever get out of
control.

Korea ended with enough bodies sold.

Vietnam ended with more than enough bodies sold.

Gulf War ended with enough bodies sold.

Kosavo's bodies sold to United Nations.

Iraq and Afghanistan will end when enough bodies are sold.

Some are not for sale.

You were sold! You was a lucky one. You were in all the wrong places
at the right time.

Sounds fishy to me.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, I understand your point, but I hope you didn't pull any muscles
getting there...

Explanation for us dummies, please?
--
John H

I think his point was somewhat of a stretch...

Cheney was not for sale to the military industrial complex that robs the
treasury. He was in on the robbery. Same with Blackwater and other
vendors. No stretch to it. You don't understand that you were not in on it.

You were sold if you don't survive wars.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

While I appreciate your elevated enlightenment, I still think it's a
stretch...;) So be it.. I have no qarrel with you...

ditto. I'm feeling really stupid, 'cause I still don't understand that I
don't understand that I was not in on it, or that I would have been sold if
I didn't survive the war.
--
John H

*A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. *

One of my favorites...
 

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:27 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...


Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.


With that we completely agree.

My brother, who is almost 6 years younger than I, often have this debate.
He thinks Ali was a media sports star and not a real fighter. When I
recall the battles he fought and the ultimate athleticism in which he did
it, there is no contest in my mind.

One only has to watch the Ali-Frazier fights to understand that.

The "Thrilla in Manila" was one of the classic heavyweight fights of
all time.

And in my opinion, if Frazier's corner hadn't stopped the fight in the
14th round, Frazier would have pulled it out and won.

I know it.

Then again, I still say that Mookie Wilson would have beaten Buckner
to First Base even if Buckner had caught the ball. :)

--

"The superfluous, a very necessary thing."

Voltaire

One of my favorites...
 

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:27 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...


Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.


With that we completely agree.

My brother, who is almost 6 years younger than I, often have this debate.
He thinks Ali was a media sports star and not a real fighter. When I
recall the battles he fought and the ultimate athleticism in which he did
it, there is no contest in my mind.

I had to scrounge around to find this, but it's a great article on
Ali/Frazier...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3065738

--

"Far better it is to dare mighty things,
to win glorious triumphs even though
checkered by failure, than to rank with
those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor
suffer much because they live in the gray
twilight that knows neither victory nor
defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

One of my favorites...
 

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:12:10 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:27 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:oMSdnQ38MdNshujUnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@earthlink. com...


Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.


With that we completely agree.

My brother, who is almost 6 years younger than I, often have this debate.
He thinks Ali was a media sports star and not a real fighter. When I
recall the battles he fought and the ultimate athleticism in which he did
it, there is no contest in my mind.

One only has to watch the Ali-Frazier fights to understand that.

Ali was the best HW. But Larry Holmes was pretty close, and given his
title defenses should be a legend himself. Reason he never got much
respect is that birdbrain Howie Cosell was still calling fights, and
given his idolatry of Ali, he ran down Holmes every chance he got.
I haven't even watched a HW fight in years, given the quality now
compared to bygone eras.

--Vic

One of my favorites...
 

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:12:10 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:27 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:oMSdnQ38MdNshujUnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@earthlink .com...


Yeah, Tim, he is. Ali is still the greatest. I closely followed the
heavyweight division since the days of Floyd Patterson until the 1990s,
and there was never ever anyone as good as Ali at his best.


With that we completely agree.

My brother, who is almost 6 years younger than I, often have this debate.
He thinks Ali was a media sports star and not a real fighter. When I
recall the battles he fought and the ultimate athleticism in which he did
it, there is no contest in my mind.

One only has to watch the Ali-Frazier fights to understand that.

Ali was the best HW. But Larry Holmes was pretty close, and given his
title defenses should be a legend himself. Reason he never got much
respect is that birdbrain Howie Cosell was still calling fights, and
given his idolatry of Ali, he ran down Holmes every chance he got.
I haven't even watched a HW fight in years, given the quality now
compared to bygone eras.

Eh - I don't know about that. Homes was certainly a good fighter and
worthy of Hall of Fame inclusion, but you have to remember he spent a
lot of his time in the IBF fighting heavyweight chumps.

In my opinion, the two greatest of our era had to be Ali and Frazier.

For the record, I gave up on professional boxing after Hagler got
hosed in his bout with Ray Leonard - who was a total fraud as a boxer.
I think Hagler, if he had won that fight, would have been recognized
at the greatest professional fighter of all time.

--

"Never fight an inanimate object."

P.J. O'Rourke

One of my favorites...
 

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:21:43 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:



Ali was the best HW. But Larry Holmes was pretty close, and given his
title defenses should be a legend himself. Reason he never got much
respect is that birdbrain Howie Cosell was still calling fights, and
given his idolatry of Ali, he ran down Holmes every chance he got.
I haven't even watched a HW fight in years, given the quality now
compared to bygone eras.

Eh - I don't know about that. Homes was certainly a good fighter and
worthy of Hall of Fame inclusion, but you have to remember he spent a
lot of his time in the IBF fighting heavyweight chumps.

Politics. He would fight anybody.
And they ALL fought plenty of bums.
Should have kept his mouth shut about Marciano's jockstrap.
But he was one of the few fighters that would alert the ref to stop
the fight when his opponent had it.
And he had the best jab - bar none.

In my opinion, the two greatest of our era had to be Ali and Frazier.

Everybody's got an opinion (-:
I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

For the record, I gave up on professional boxing after Hagler got
hosed in his bout with Ray Leonard - who was a total fraud as a boxer.
I think Hagler, if he had won that fight, would have been recognized
at the greatest professional fighter of all time.

I agree that Hagler was hosed, but Leonard was a terrific fighter.
Hagler suffered from the Leonard idolatry.
I was skeptical early on, because nobody had tagged him.
My contention was until that happened he wasn't proven.
We watched the Leanord/Hearns bout live, and I remember jumping
up yelling when Hearns clipped Leanord's jaw with a long right and
Leonard's knees wobbled. I thought my "feet of clay" theory might be
right. Nope. Leonard came back. Heart of a lion.
Probably my favorite fight.
And despite his "no mas" disaster with Leonard, and getting absolutely
clocked by Hearns, Duran is probably my favorite fighter of all time.
What a hard-ass that guy was.
To see him - really a natural lightweight - go the distance with
Hagler was amazing.

--Vic

One of my favorites...
 

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:55 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:21:43 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:54:20 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:



Ali was the best HW. But Larry Holmes was pretty close, and given his
title defenses should be a legend himself. Reason he never got much
respect is that birdbrain Howie Cosell was still calling fights, and
given his idolatry of Ali, he ran down Holmes every chance he got.
I haven't even watched a HW fight in years, given the quality now
compared to bygone eras.

Eh - I don't know about that. Homes was certainly a good fighter and
worthy of Hall of Fame inclusion, but you have to remember he spent a
lot of his time in the IBF fighting heavyweight chumps.

Politics. He would fight anybody.
And they ALL fought plenty of bums.
Should have kept his mouth shut about Marciano's jockstrap.
But he was one of the few fighters that would alert the ref to stop
the fight when his opponent had it.
And he had the best jab - bar none.


Absolutely, one of the best, certainly. Still say Ali/Frazier were
better.

In my opinion, the two greatest of our era had to be Ali and Frazier.

Everybody's got an opinion (-:
I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

Bonecrusher Smith.

You know what Marvis's problem was? Smokin' Joe tried to change his
natural boxing ability into punching ability - completely unnatural
for him. Kid had style and finesse as a boxer and was never a natural
puncher. He could have been one of the best ever - he had Ali type
grace and speed to boot.

For the record, I gave up on professional boxing after Hagler got
hosed in his bout with Ray Leonard - who was a total fraud as a boxer.
I think Hagler, if he had won that fight, would have been recognized
at the greatest professional fighter of all time.

I agree that Hagler was hosed, but Leonard was a terrific fighter.
Hagler suffered from the Leonard idolatry.
I was skeptical early on, because nobody had tagged him.
My contention was until that happened he wasn't proven.
We watched the Leanord/Hearns bout live, and I remember jumping
up yelling when Hearns clipped Leanord's jaw with a long right and
Leonard's knees wobbled. I thought my "feet of clay" theory might be
right. Nope. Leonard came back. Heart of a lion.

Eh - I always thought Leonard was soft and I still think so. Never
was a fan of his.

Probably my favorite fight.
And despite his "no mas" disaster with Leonard, and getting absolutely
clocked by Hearns, Duran is probably my favorite fighter of all time.

I heard an interview Leonard did with Bob Costas a few weeks ago -
Leonard claims that Duran never said "no mas" - he just quit.

What a hard-ass that guy was.
To see him - really a natural lightweight - go the distance with
Hagler was amazing.

Duran's legacy was defined by "no mas" which was unfortunate because,
as you said, he was a natural lightweight, changed class and held his
own.

You know, I can't think of one fighter today who could hold a candle
for any of these guys we've been talking about.

--

Time flies when you are sick and psychotic.

One of my favorites...
 

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:40:53 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:55 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

It was an amateur fight.
"He had said it was ''a fluke'' when Marvis, the top amateur
heavyweight in the country at the time, was knocked out last June by
James Broad in the Olympic Trials. A punch high on the forehead rocked
young Frazier's head back, pinched a nerve in his neck, and left him
conscious but helplessly paralyzed on the canvas."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag... 7C0A967948260

As I recall it Marvis was winning when he got in a crouch and got hit
directly on top of his head. It was odd to see, as he was strong one
second, then flat on his face. The punch didn't appear to be a hard
one. I figured it jammed his spine somehow.
Another of my "most memorable" fights was when Ed Too Tall Jones got
clocked by Yaqui Menses, fell on his ass, and Yaqui kept whaling away
at him, no longer having the height disadvantage to deal with.
You just had to see that one to appreciate it. Funny as hell.
But I wasn't a Cowboys fan. Steelers.

--Vic

One of my favorites...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:40:53 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:55 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

It was an amateur fight.
"He had said it was ''a fluke'' when Marvis, the top amateur
heavyweight in the country at the time, was knocked out last June by
James Broad in the Olympic Trials. A punch high on the forehead rocked
young Frazier's head back, pinched a nerve in his neck, and left him
conscious but helplessly paralyzed on the canvas."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag... 7C0A967948260

As I recall it Marvis was winning when he got in a crouch and got hit
directly on top of his head. It was odd to see, as he was strong one
second, then flat on his face. The punch didn't appear to be a hard
one. I figured it jammed his spine somehow.
Another of my "most memorable" fights was when Ed Too Tall Jones got
clocked by Yaqui Menses, fell on his ass, and Yaqui kept whaling away
at him, no longer having the height disadvantage to deal with.
You just had to see that one to appreciate it. Funny as hell.
But I wasn't a Cowboys fan. Steelers.

--Vic



My favorite was Bobo Olson. He lived near me in the 1950's and he could be
really wealthy today with his secret diet. Not only was he a great fighter,
did not fight a Chump of the month, but good fighters. He would balloon up
in weight and with seemingly no loss of energy, would lost a lot if pounds
in the month before a fight. Ali was fun to watch, as well as George
Foreman was fun to boo. But I always had a preference for middleweights and
the best to watch for super action was Flyweights. I watch a fight now and
then on the TV and it is either my age or the fighters are just not very
good. No zip to the show.

One of my favorites...
 

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:09:56 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:40:53 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:55 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

It was an amateur fight.
"He had said it was ''a fluke'' when Marvis, the top amateur
heavyweight in the country at the time, was knocked out last June by
James Broad in the Olympic Trials. A punch high on the forehead rocked
young Frazier's head back, pinched a nerve in his neck, and left him
conscious but helplessly paralyzed on the canvas."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag... 7C0A967948260

Ah - didn't know that. I knew what's his name knocked Marvis down so
I just guessed.

As I recall it Marvis was winning when he got in a crouch and got hit
directly on top of his head. It was odd to see, as he was strong one
second, then flat on his face. The punch didn't appear to be a hard
one. I figured it jammed his spine somehow.

I had a concussion like that once a long time ago. When I was
starting training for my Kodokan school Judo black belt, the sensi,
Lt. Paul Miriyama, hit me with a foot sweep I wasn't expecting and
went head over heals right on top of my head. Felt fine, got up,
bowed and just kept right on going doing a face plant on the mat. :)

Another of my "most memorable" fights was when Ed Too Tall Jones got
clocked by Yaqui Menses, fell on his ass, and Yaqui kept whaling away
at him, no longer having the height disadvantage to deal with.
You just had to see that one to appreciate it. Funny as hell.
But I wasn't a Cowboys fan. Steelers.

Ed "Too Tall" Jones - there's a name for the ages.

And the Steelers suck. :)

--

Time flies when you are sick and psychotic.

One of my favorites...
 

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:49:23 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:40:53 GMT, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:08:55 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


I have to look for that fight I saw live where Marvis Frazier got hit
directly on top of the head and was floored. One of the weirdest
things I saw, after Ali's phantom punch.
Can't remember the opponent. Maybe it's on youtube.

It was an amateur fight.
"He had said it was ''a fluke'' when Marvis, the top amateur
heavyweight in the country at the time, was knocked out last June by
James Broad in the Olympic Trials. A punch high on the forehead rocked
young Frazier's head back, pinched a nerve in his neck, and left him
conscious but helplessly paralyzed on the canvas."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag... 7C0A967948260

As I recall it Marvis was winning when he got in a crouch and got hit
directly on top of his head. It was odd to see, as he was strong one
second, then flat on his face. The punch didn't appear to be a hard
one. I figured it jammed his spine somehow.
Another of my "most memorable" fights was when Ed Too Tall Jones got
clocked by Yaqui Menses, fell on his ass, and Yaqui kept whaling away
at him, no longer having the height disadvantage to deal with.
You just had to see that one to appreciate it. Funny as hell.
But I wasn't a Cowboys fan. Steelers.

My favorite was Bobo Olson. He lived near me in the 1950's and he could be
really wealthy today with his secret diet. Not only was he a great fighter,
did not fight a Chump of the month, but good fighters. He would balloon up
in weight and with seemingly no loss of energy, would lost a lot if pounds
in the month before a fight. Ali was fun to watch, as well as George
Foreman was fun to boo. But I always had a preference for middleweights and
the best to watch for super action was Flyweights. I watch a fight now and
then on the TV and it is either my age or the fighters are just not very
good. No zip to the show.

A lot of the better fighters have moved over to UFC or that other
crappy "MMA" league.

MMA sucks to tell the truth. It's all grappling and is boring as
hell. But it's the hot thing and the good fighters gravitate to it.
It's unfortunate because MMA is Professional Wrestling with real
punches instead of fake ones. :)

--

When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you

One of my favorites...
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

A lot of the better fighters have moved over to UFC or that other
crappy "MMA" league.

MMA sucks to tell the truth. It's all grappling and is boring as
hell. But it's the hot thing and the good fighters gravitate to it.
It's unfortunate because MMA is Professional Wrestling with real
punches instead of fake ones. :)

MMA is professional bar brawls. Brings back some good and not so good
memories.

Court Street before they cleaned it up was a really fun place. Of course
with MPs and local PD riding together you were screwed if you got caught.

One of my favorites...
 

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:00:39 -0500, BAR wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

A lot of the better fighters have moved over to UFC or that other
crappy "MMA" league.

MMA sucks to tell the truth. It's all grappling and is boring as
hell. But it's the hot thing and the good fighters gravitate to it.
It's unfortunate because MMA is Professional Wrestling with real
punches instead of fake ones. :)

MMA is professional bar brawls. Brings back some good and not so good
memories.

Court Street before they cleaned it up was a really fun place. Of course
with MPs and local PD riding together you were screwed if you got caught.

It took your post almost 45 minutes to show up on my machine. It took Tom's
last post, to which I replied, about the same time. My reply to his post,
made at 7:30, still hasn't appeared.

If this continues for everyone, maybe there won't be 180 angry,
name-calling, insulting posts to wade through when I get back from golf.

Today we're playing Lee's Hill, down by Fredricksburg. Weather looks to be
very cooperative. With the ground frozen solid, there should be some good
distance on the drives. But, if a shot hits the green it's probably well
over the other side.
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John H

* He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless DEAD*