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On Jan 7, 2:04*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...

==================================

I'll try.

If you have an older, non-digital television and hook it up to your cable
directly from the wall, meaning no cable box, whatever programming you can
watch is analog. *It can be good, or it may be fuzzy. *Analog signals can be
processed and displayed even if they are weak, whereas with digital you will
either get a lock and a "perfect" picture or you'll get no picture at all..
You can see digital occasionally dropping out of sync. *The TV actually has
a buffer in it (as does the cable box) to filter out these occasional,
temporary dropouts.

The cable companies currently send both analog and digital programming. *If
you are using a cable box and a non-digital TV, the box is converting the
digital programming to analog so your TV can display it.

HD programming is all digital.

But .... *(big but) ... *just because you get a digital TV, it doesn't mean
you will receive all digital programming sent without a cable box. * You
need a cable box to receive any non-basic, premium programs. * It all
depends on what your purchased "package" includes.

Eisboch

Cool...

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On Jan 7, 1:52*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:27 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's..
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)
Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything. Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...

Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too, to
watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Uh, Harry.......digital is zeros and ones..........

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...


Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with
numbers like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming
signals down from satellites.

Um. not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods, not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch


I thought he was referring to cable company marketing and going to
digital because of HD and beyond.

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...


Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Um. not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods, not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch


I thought he was referring to cable company marketing and going to digital
because of HD and beyond.

I donno. Maybe he was.
I quit.

Eisboch

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On Jan 7, 2:06*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...



Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals down
from satellites.

Um. * not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission methods,
not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

That's what I thought. I was mistaken thinking all cable output was
digital, Harry was too busy forcing a laugh to really read the thread;)

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On Jan 7, 2:39*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with
numbers like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming
signals down from satellites.

Um. * not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods, not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

I thought he was referring to cable company marketing and going to
digital because of HD and beyond.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pfffffttt... Google fails you yet again snerk

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On Jan 7, 2:41*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

m...





Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Um. * not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods, not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

I thought he was referring to cable company marketing and going to digital
because of HD and beyond.

I donno. *Maybe he was.
I quit.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No need to quit, you explained it perfectly.. That's what the thread
needed...

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:31:06 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

On Jan 6, 11:53 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message


As long as the tv is digital ready you are ok.. it's only older tv's
that will be effected. If the tv works now with cable from the wall,
it is digital and you will not have a problem if I understand
correctly..

--------------------------------------

I don't think that is true. The older analog TVs work now connected
directly to the cable (no box) because the cable company also provides an
analog signal in addition to digital.

The reason I asked is because the people living in the assisted living place
that my mother is in are all concerned that their older analog TVs won't
work. Most of them are on fixed incomes and have basic cable service that
does not require a cable box. I've tried to decipher the Comcast
advertisements on the subject and they are not very clear. They say, "if
you are a cable subscriber" you don't need to do anything, and the ads show
a TV connected to one of their boxes.

I guess the real question is, "How much longer will the cable companies
continue to provide the analog signal on their cable lines?" I suspect
that eventually (if not starting this February) that they will phase out the
analog signal and do everything in digital. It only makes sense because
analog consumes much of the bandwidth capacity of cable and they want it for
other things (like digital voice for telephone). If my assumption is
correct, then anyone with an analog only TV will eventually require either a
cable box from the cable company, a digital to analog converter box or a
digital TV.

Meanwhile, this is funny. I made a copy and sent it to my mother.

http://www.eisboch.com/digitalconversion.wmv

Eisboch

Rich, tell your wife to get those folks to apply for the $40 coupons! Hell,
the boxes are almost giveaways once you have the coupon. Here's an idea of
what they cost.

http://tinyurl.com/5f3wnl

I ordered from them last night. Ended up ordering two of them, the Zinwell
and the Tevax. With the coupons, the totol cost was about $34, for both.
About $13 of that was shipping.

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:31:06 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

On Jan 6, 11:53 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message


As long as the tv is digital ready you are ok.. it's only older tv's
that will be effected. If the tv works now with cable from the wall,
it is digital and you will not have a problem if I understand
correctly..

--------------------------------------

I don't think that is true. The older analog TVs work now connected
directly to the cable (no box) because the cable company also provides an
analog signal in addition to digital.

The reason I asked is because the people living in the assisted living place
that my mother is in are all concerned that their older analog TVs won't
work. Most of them are on fixed incomes and have basic cable service that
does not require a cable box. I've tried to decipher the Comcast
advertisements on the subject and they are not very clear. They say, "if
you are a cable subscriber" you don't need to do anything, and the ads show
a TV connected to one of their boxes.

I guess the real question is, "How much longer will the cable companies
continue to provide the analog signal on their cable lines?" I suspect
that eventually (if not starting this February) that they will phase out the
analog signal and do everything in digital. It only makes sense because
analog consumes much of the bandwidth capacity of cable and they want it for
other things (like digital voice for telephone). If my assumption is
correct, then anyone with an analog only TV will eventually require either a
cable box from the cable company, a digital to analog converter box or a
digital TV.

Meanwhile, this is funny. I made a copy and sent it to my mother.

http://www.eisboch.com/digitalconversion.wmv

Eisboch

Very good. I'm about to forward it to a potfull of folks. Hope your site
can take the heat.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:27 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)
Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything. Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...


Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too, to
watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Um...no?

Here - this may help.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:19:44 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:09*pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21*am, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.

I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.

That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?

"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)

Psssstttt...

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:43:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .


The cable company will probably be migrating everything to digital
eventually but they know that will make satellite more attractive for
anyone without a QAM tuner equipped TV (not the same as the OTA
"digital" the FCC requires). If you need a box for every TV anyway,
satellite really starts looking good.

We have four Comcast provided HD Cable boxes in the house hooked up to
either plasma or LCD large screen TVs. We rarely watch any programming on
them and I am thinking of getting rid of 2 or 3 of the boxes. The digital
flat screens will display several channels in HD anyway without the box
(connected directly to the cable feed).

I also purchased a portable sat dish and got a Direct TV account for use on
the boat. It works great and during the winter I bring it home and have the
dish temporarily mounted on a rear porch. All the programming is digital
obviously, and the quality of the picture is superior to that provided by
Comcast which has some of the programming in digital and some in analog
(without use of a box). I just have the basic service but I get over 500
channels, which is kinda stupid because I only watch about 4 of them. It's
not HD, but for some reason the quality of the picture is very good. When
people see it they think it's HD until I show them the difference.

If it weren't for Internet service, I think I could easily dump Comcast and
go to Direct TV.
I know they offer Internet as well, but I don't think it's as fast as cable.
I don't know for sure.

Eisboch

My neighbor got rid of his cable tv connections and just uses an antenna.
He's getting great reception on his HDTV and is very happy with what he's
getting.

If he were married to my wife, he wouldn't get away with it. There are too
many cable shows she won't do without.

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:50:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...

It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.

-----------------------------------

Yeah. A few months ago they moved MSNBC to a digital channel also and it
now requires one of their boxes to continue to receive it ... even on a
digital TV. This is a different issue than the analog to digital
transition. MSNBC used to be part of the "Basic" service plan, included in
the analog, straight out of the wall (no box) capabilities. Now it's part
of a package for which a box *is* required, regardless of TV (analog or
digital) type. Around here it used to be on channel 59. They moved it to
a digital channel (114). If I select channel 114 on a digital TV connected
directly to the wall (no box), I get C-Span. If I select 114 using
Comcast's box, I get MSNBC. Starting to get confusing.

Eisboch

Seems like you'd pay *not* to get MSNBC!

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:19:44 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)

Psssstttt...

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm

But Harry said.............................................. .........

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:27 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)
Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything. Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...

Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too, to
watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Um...no?

Here - this may help.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm


You incorrectly parsed my response. I was responding to the marketing by
cable companies, not the technology.

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hk wrote:

Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...


Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too, to
watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Harry,
You really are wallowing in your ignorance and stupidity. As far a
cable companies are concerned when they talk "digital", they are talking
about cable transmission and it has NOTHING to do with High Definition.

They offer analog transmission, digital transmission, regular definition
and high definition. You are comparing apples and oranges and calling
someone else stupid as you gag on your foot.

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...


Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with
numbers like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming
signals down from satellites.

Um. not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods, not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

He was talking about the analog vs digital signal transmission

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hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:27 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will
affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the
History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the
other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us
to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with
very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing
with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT,
when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready
TV's.
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their
claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a
"cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)
Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything.
Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...

Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too,
to watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with
numbers like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming
signals down from satellites.

Um...no?

Here - this may help.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm


You incorrectly parsed my response. I was responding to the marketing by
cable companies, not the technology.

You will never find a Cable Company selling High Definition vs Regular
Definition by using a marketing term "digital". When a cable company
discusses "digital" they are talking about the method of transmitting
the information over the cable. Even when it was pointed out to you,
you are busy tap dancing instead of just admitting you had no idea what
you were talking about.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:00:44 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:52:06 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:27 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?
"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)
Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything. Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, once again you say you are informed, but offer zero information
to back your claim.. I mean, it's obvious that you have plenty of time
to correct me (cut and paste from google), but you really have nothing
to offer... Stick to insults, it's all you have...

Tell you the truth, I find it far more fun and more interesting, too, to
watch you and several others wallow in your ignorance and stupidity.

Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down from satellites.

Um...no?

Here - this may help.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question7.htm

You incorrectly parsed my response. I was responding to the marketing by
cable companies, not the technology.

Uh huh.

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:14:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 1:09*pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21*am, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.

I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.

That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?

Hey loogy for brains, is there a reason we can't have an OT in front
of this? You somehow think it's boating related?

My fault, not Loogy's. Do you not have a TV on your boat? Is it analog or
digital? If analog, how are you going to receive digital signals after Feb
15th, or whenever.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:27:11 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 11:21 am, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.
I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.
That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?

"Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)




Once again, you demonstrate you simply do not understand anything. Stick
to sandpaper, or something else that doesn't require thinking.

Why turn a decent thread into name-calling ****?

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:44:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:06Â*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...



Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals down
from satellites.

Um. Â* not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission methods,
not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

That's what I thought. I was mistaken thinking all cable output was
digital, Harry was too busy forcing a laugh to really read the thread;)

Not so fast. It probably is "digitized," even the "analog stuff.
And you might be right on some other scores too.
Here's a few "factoids."
I have Comcast cable TV north of Chicago. Standard cable TV package.
All older analog TV's
No cable boxes.
Now, I get pic and sound breakups, frozen pics and sound, etc.
It's obviously digital farting, as this stuff NEVER happened prior to
2 years ago. Looks like typical processor or hard drive bound
interruption of digital data flow. Not the fuzziness or loss of
picture you get with a bad analog signal.
Now, Eisboch lost Comcast MSNBC to "digital"
I still have Comcast MSNBC - remember, I'm all "analog."
Loogy lost Comcast History Channel to "digital."
I still have History Channel.
I lost 4-6 other channels to the "digital" package, including
C-Span-2, and Hallmark and Oxygen. Losing Hallmark and some other
"chick" channel has my wife hating Comcast with a passion and pushing
me change to sat whenever she thinks about.
Eisboch says he needs a box to see Comcast digital TV programming even
with a digital TV.
When I talked to Comcast last week to step up to the digital package
I was told that if I had digital TV's I wouldn't need the Comcast
boxes. Just plug the cable right into the TV.
It's fishy.
But we'll clear the air eventually.
In the meantime, got a size 7 1/4 tin-foil hat I can borrow?

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:44:41 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 7, 2:06 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

...



Here's a hint: "digital" in cable tv usage has a lot to do with
numbers
like 480, 720, and higher, and very little to do with beaming signals
down
from satellites.

Um. not really.

I think we are discussing digital versus analog signal transmission
methods,
not format or screen resolution.

Eisboch

That's what I thought. I was mistaken thinking all cable output was
digital, Harry was too busy forcing a laugh to really read the thread;)

Not so fast. It probably is "digitized," even the "analog stuff.
And you might be right on some other scores too.
Here's a few "factoids."
I have Comcast cable TV north of Chicago. Standard cable TV package.
All older analog TV's
No cable boxes.
Now, I get pic and sound breakups, frozen pics and sound, etc.
It's obviously digital farting, as this stuff NEVER happened prior to
2 years ago. Looks like typical processor or hard drive bound
interruption of digital data flow. Not the fuzziness or loss of
picture you get with a bad analog signal.
Now, Eisboch lost Comcast MSNBC to "digital"
I still have Comcast MSNBC - remember, I'm all "analog."
Loogy lost Comcast History Channel to "digital."
I still have History Channel.
I lost 4-6 other channels to the "digital" package, including
C-Span-2, and Hallmark and Oxygen. Losing Hallmark and some other
"chick" channel has my wife hating Comcast with a passion and pushing
me change to sat whenever she thinks about.
Eisboch says he needs a box to see Comcast digital TV programming even
with a digital TV.
When I talked to Comcast last week to step up to the digital package
I was told that if I had digital TV's I wouldn't need the Comcast
boxes. Just plug the cable right into the TV.
It's fishy.
But we'll clear the air eventually.
In the meantime, got a size 7 1/4 tin-foil hat I can borrow?

--Vic





Vic, I am very confident that the digitized "breakup" that you see on your
analog TV is happening somewhere else in the system, probably one of the
Satellite links. The video image of the breakup is simply modulated on the
analog cable carrier.

Your analog TV (by itself) cannot process a digital signal. Period.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:48:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:




That's what I thought. I was mistaken thinking all cable output was
digital, Harry was too busy forcing a laugh to really read the thread;)

Not so fast. It probably is "digitized," even the "analog stuff.
And you might be right on some other scores too.
Here's a few "factoids."
I have Comcast cable TV north of Chicago. Standard cable TV package.
All older analog TV's
No cable boxes.
Now, I get pic and sound breakups, frozen pics and sound, etc.
It's obviously digital farting, as this stuff NEVER happened prior to
2 years ago. Looks like typical processor or hard drive bound
interruption of digital data flow. Not the fuzziness or loss of
picture you get with a bad analog signal.
Now, Eisboch lost Comcast MSNBC to "digital"
I still have Comcast MSNBC - remember, I'm all "analog."
Loogy lost Comcast History Channel to "digital."
I still have History Channel.
I lost 4-6 other channels to the "digital" package, including
C-Span-2, and Hallmark and Oxygen. Losing Hallmark and some other
"chick" channel has my wife hating Comcast with a passion and pushing
me change to sat whenever she thinks about.
Eisboch says he needs a box to see Comcast digital TV programming even
with a digital TV.
When I talked to Comcast last week to step up to the digital package
I was told that if I had digital TV's I wouldn't need the Comcast
boxes. Just plug the cable right into the TV.
It's fishy.
But we'll clear the air eventually.
In the meantime, got a size 7 1/4 tin-foil hat I can borrow?

Vic, I am very confident that the digitized "breakup" that you see on your
analog TV is happening somewhere else in the system, probably one of the
Satellite links. The video image of the breakup is simply modulated on the
analog cable carrier.

Your analog TV (by itself) cannot process a digital signal. Period.

Right, and somehow I screwed my reply up, dropping down in the thread.
I was intending to address the dismissal of justwait's comment:

""Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)"

Though I'm using analog signals, it's my impression they are
digitized and reconverted before they get to me.
That's where I think justwait is right in saying "all cable signals
are digital." But it's be more accurate to say "all cable signals
were at one time digital."
But as usual, I may be wrong.
My comments about your MSNBC and mine, and Loogy's History channel
and mine may point to that, or may have something to do with regional
processing of data.
Anyway, what's most interesting to me is you saying that you must have
a Comcast box with a digital TV to pick up the "digital" package, when
I was told by Comcast that I could plug directly into a digital TV.

--Vic

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On Jan 7, 6:05*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:48:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:







That's what I thought. I was mistaken thinking all cable output was
digital, Harry was too busy forcing a laugh to really read the thread;)

Not so fast. *It probably is "digitized," even the "analog stuff.
And you might be right on some other scores too.
Here's a few "factoids."
I have Comcast cable TV north of Chicago. *Standard cable TV package..
All older analog TV's
No cable boxes.
Now, I get pic and sound breakups, frozen pics and sound, etc.
It's obviously digital farting, as this stuff NEVER happened prior to
2 years ago. *Looks like typical processor or hard drive bound
interruption of digital data flow. *Not the fuzziness or loss of
picture you get with a bad analog signal.
Now, Eisboch lost Comcast MSNBC to "digital"
I still have Comcast MSNBC - remember, I'm all "analog."
Loogy lost Comcast History Channel to "digital."
I still have History Channel.
I lost 4-6 other channels to the "digital" package, including
C-Span-2, and Hallmark and Oxygen. *Losing Hallmark and some other
"chick" channel has my wife hating Comcast with a passion and pushing
me change to sat whenever she thinks about.
Eisboch says he needs a box to see Comcast digital TV programming even
with a digital TV.
When I talked to Comcast last week to step up to the digital package
I was told that if I had digital TV's I wouldn't need the Comcast
boxes. *Just plug *the cable right into the TV.
It's fishy.
But we'll clear the air eventually.
In the meantime, got a size 7 1/4 tin-foil hat I can borrow?

Vic, *I am very confident that the digitized "breakup" that you see on your
analog TV is happening somewhere else in the system, probably one of the
Satellite links. *The video image of the breakup is simply modulated on the
analog cable carrier.

Your analog TV (by itself) *cannot process a digital signal. *Period..

Right, and somehow I screwed my reply up, dropping down in the thread.
I was intending to address the dismissal of justwait's comment:

""Digital" is a misnomer really. Before congress sold out to China to
force everyone to buy new TV's (Y2K hoax all over again), cable
companies used the word "digital" to make pay channels sound better..
In fact, all cable signals are "Digital". But to the cable companies
"digital" was a way of sorting out the good channels so they could
make them "premium" which is what they really should have called
them.. Of course that would have come off just as phony as their claim
that "Sattelite" providers are resold, have you ever gone by a "cable"
office and seen all the sattelite dishes in front;)"

Though I'm using analog signals, it's my impression they are
digitized and reconverted before they get to me.
That's where I think justwait is right in saying "all cable signals
are digital." *But it's be more accurate to say "all cable signals
were at one time digital."
But as usual, I may be wrong.
My comments about your MSNBC and mine, and Loogy's History channel
and mine may point to that, or may have something to do with regional
processing of data.
Anyway, what's most interesting to me is you saying that you must have
a Comcast box with a digital TV to pick up the "digital" package, when
I was told by Comcast that I could plug directly into a digital TV.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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That is what I was reffering to before.. The cable companies using the
term "Digital Service" to sell high priced packages when in fact, most
of the "basic" cable channels are delivered to the TV in digital form
anyway...

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...


Anyway, what's most interesting to me is you saying that you must have
a Comcast box with a digital TV to pick up the "digital" package, when
I was told by Comcast that I could plug directly into a digital TV.

--Vic

I think I may have confused or misstated that. Our digital tvs receive
both digital and analog fine right from the wall .... no box. Last time I
checked there were somewhere around 28-30 digital channels active and the
rest (70 or 80 or so) were analog.

Comcast moved MSNBC and a couple of other channels from the previous analog
channel (59)to a digital channel (114). In the process they dropped it from
being in the basic service to another level which requires the use of their
box to receive. That's the only reason for the box.

Eisboch

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wrote in message
...


That is what I was reffering to before.. The cable companies using the
term "Digital Service" to sell high priced packages when in fact, most
of the "basic" cable channels are delivered to the TV in digital form
anyway...

hmmm. Not to be argumentative, but no.
If the basic channels are "delivered" to an analog TV in digital format, you
couldn't watch it.
It has to be converted back to analog. That can happen in the cable box (if
you are using one) or at the local cable company feed (if your analog TV is
connected to the wall cable). The cable company gets all of *it's* feed in
digital format (mostly via satellite) but sends it out to your house in
digital AND analog.

Again, if you have a non-digital TV and have it connected to cable *without*
a box and you can see a program ..... it's coming over the cable in analog.

Which brings us back to Doe.

Eisboch

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On Jan 7, 6:28*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...

That is what I was reffering to before.. The cable companies using the
term "Digital Service" to sell high priced packages when in fact, most
of the "basic" cable channels are delivered to the TV in digital form
anyway...

hmmm. *Not to be argumentative, but no.
If the basic channels are "delivered" to an analog TV in digital format, you
couldn't watch it.
It has to be converted back to analog. *That can happen in the cable box (if
you are using one) or at the local cable company feed (if your analog TV is
connected to the wall cable). *The cable company gets all of *it's* *feed in
digital format (mostly via satellite) but sends it out to your house in
digital AND analog.

Again, if you have a non-digital TV and have it connected to cable *without*
a box and you can see a program ..... it's coming over the cable in analog.

Which brings us back to Doe.

Eisboch

OK, I think I get it now.. and you don't have to apologize or be
argumentative. I don't mind being wrong, especially when "right" gets
explained without insults;)

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On Jan 7, 6:37*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:28 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

....

That is what I was reffering to before.. The cable companies using the
term "Digital Service" to sell high priced packages when in fact, most
of the "basic" cable channels are delivered to the TV in digital form
anyway...

hmmm. *Not to be argumentative, but no.
If the basic channels are "delivered" to an analog TV in digital format, you
couldn't watch it.
It has to be converted back to analog. *That can happen in the cable box (if
you are using one) or at the local cable company feed (if your analog TV is
connected to the wall cable). *The cable company gets all of *it's* *feed in
digital format (mostly via satellite) but sends it out to your house in
digital AND analog.

Again, if you have a non-digital TV and have it connected to cable *without*
a box and you can see a program ..... it's coming over the cable in analog.

Which brings us back to Doe.

Eisboch

OK, I think I get it now.. and you don't have to apologize or be
argumentative. I don't mind being wrong, especially when "right" gets
explained without insults;)

Well, since Eisboch didn't insult you, do you mind if I step in and
throw around a few? *;)- Hide quoted text -

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Sure, but be gentle, I am quite sensitive you know.

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:28:13 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Which brings us back to Doe.

John? Jane?

A deer - a female deer?

Oh - wait - I get it.

Solfège syllable using pedagogical solmization only this time applied
to digital vs analog television signals.

Clever you are thinks I.

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On Jan 7, 7:39*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:37 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:28 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message
....
That is what I was reffering to before.. The cable companies using the
term "Digital Service" to sell high priced packages when in fact, most
of the "basic" cable channels are delivered to the TV in digital form
anyway...
hmmm. *Not to be argumentative, but no.
If the basic channels are "delivered" to an analog TV in digital format, you
couldn't watch it.
It has to be converted back to analog. *That can happen in the cable box (if
you are using one) or at the local cable company feed (if your analog TV is
connected to the wall cable). *The cable company gets all of *it's* *feed in
digital format (mostly via satellite) but sends it out to your house in
digital AND analog.
Again, if you have a non-digital TV and have it connected to cable *without*
a box and you can see a program ..... it's coming over the cable in analog.
Which brings us back to Doe.
Eisboch
OK, I think I get it now.. and you don't have to apologize or be
argumentative. I don't mind being wrong, especially when "right" gets
explained without insults;)
Well, since Eisboch didn't insult you, do you mind if I step in and
throw around a few? *;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure, but be gentle, I am quite sensitive you know.

You old so and so. *You are the poorest excuse for a so and so I have
ever seen.

I hope I didn't cross the line.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

sniff uh, I'll get over it.... Waaaaaaaaaaaaah.. ooops, I mean.
I'm cool... sniff..

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On Jan 7, 1:14*pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:09*pm, wrote:





On Jan 7, 11:21*am, wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:38:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:
It'll work. The only thing that the going digital thing will affect is
if you use an antenna. What I'm ****ed about is that now the History
Channel has went to digital format, the only way you can get it is
with the Comcast box. Only have one on the main TV, all the other TV's
are just wired directly to cable.

I really believe soon we will be getting content like "history" and
"discovery" directly from the internet with the cable company only
providing bandwidth. If guys like the Mythbusters could get us to pay
a dime an episode for the download they would make more money than
they do through the network and cable company distribution with very
little cost to them.

That's true. I'm having a little trouble understanding the thing with
the History channel. They went digital, so I get no signal unless it
goes through Comcast's box. Any other TV doesn't get it. BUT, when all
cable goes digital, it's not supposed to affect the cable ready TV's.
What's up with that?

Hey loogy for brains, is there a reason we can't have an OT in front
of this? *You somehow think it's boating related?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, jam for brains, I didn't start the friggin' thread, get it? Maybe
in your haste to be an ass, you should at least know what's going on
first.