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Testing and Charging Batteries
This past summer I replaced the battery in my 18ft ski boat and went to a dual battery system with a selector switch. I had probably shortened the life of my old battey by letting it sit discharged for too long over the winter. This year I'm being more carefull. Here are my thoughts on keeping batteries charged: Please feel free to add comments or suggestions. 1) Very important: Do not let your batteries get very low or you will greatly reduce battery life. I have heard that regular batteries will be affected by letting then sit below 75% charge and deep cycle should not be left below 50% charged. Keeping them close to fully charged is best for prolonged life. 2) Be sure wet cell batteries are full using only distilled water. You can tell the water level is correct when you look into the cell and the reflection of the water has a "fish eye" look to it and is not a flat surface. (If you are curious, it is caused by the surface tension effect when the water level touches to fill level guide) 3) Check the existing charge level You can do this using a hydrometer. (under $5) The higher the charge the more dense the liquid and more balls will float. 4 balls floating = full charge Question: How reliable are they? I can’t seam to get more that 3 balls to float (75% charge) You can also measure the charge state using a voltmeter. Let the battery sit for approx 3 hrs after charging before you take a reading. You will get an inaccurate, and high, reading if you measure the voltage at the battery right after charging it. Question; I've seen different numbers used for full charge: 14V 13.8V 12.9V What is the best voltage to use for fully charged and where did the number come from? 5) The max rate to charge a battery is 20% of it’s amp-Hour rating. Example a 100 amp –hour rated battery should be charged at 20 amps max. Some chargers automatically adjust the current and length of charge according to the battery's state of charge and then shut off when the battery is fully charged. If the charger requires manual adjustment for current or shut-off, check the charger's instructions to determine the proper current and length of charge based on your battery's rating. 6) An automatic charger that reduces current as the battery becomes charged is best and will give the fastest charging without damaging the battery. 7) Do not leave a battey connected for over 24 hours to a charger that does not automaticly shutoff even if it is a "trickle" charger. Some trickle chargers will raise the voltage as the current drops to levels that can damage a battery if left for extended periods. Sources: Charging Batteries http://www.ibsa.com/www/faqs/tech_ta...e/charging.htm Battery Tender http://batterytender.com/ Kip |
Testing and Charging Batteries
wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:02:36 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: I'm told that it makes no difference what kind of water to use... though I always insist on distilled water for my batteries. I suppose it depends on your water quality but I won't even put Florida tap water in my radiator. Too many minerals in it There was a recent discussion here regarding antifreeze and the "fact" that it's freezing point is lower when mixed with water. That comment intrigued me, so I spent some time trying to find out why. Although I never did find an explanation, I did come across a statement by one of the antifreeze manufacturers that mixing it with water activates the anti-corrosive additives in the antifreeze and the reason for that was due to minerals in the water. Eisboch |
Testing and Charging Batteries
On Jan 1, 9:03*pm, kipmc4 wrote:
This past summer I replaced the battery in my 18ft ski boat and went to a dual battery system with a selector switch. I had probably shortened the life of my old battey by letting it sit discharged for too long over the winter. This year I'm being more carefull. Here are my thoughts on keeping batteries charged: Please feel free to add comments or suggestions. 1) Very important: Do not let your batteries get very low or you will greatly reduce battery life. I have heard that regular batteries will be affected by letting then sit below 75% charge and deep cycle should not be left below 50% charged. Keeping them close to fully charged is best for prolonged life. 2) Be sure wet cell batteries are full using only distilled water. You can tell the water level is correct when you look into the cell and the reflection of the water has a "fish eye" look to it and is not a flat surface. (If you are curious, it is caused by the surface tension effect when the water level touches to fill level guide) 3) Check the existing charge level You can do this using a hydrometer. (under $5) The higher the charge the more dense the liquid and more balls will float. 4 balls floating = full charge * Question: How reliable are they? I can’t seam to get more that 3 balls to float (75% charge) You can also measure the charge state using a voltmeter. Let the battery sit for approx 3 hrs after charging before you take a reading. You will get an inaccurate, and high, reading if you measure the voltage at the battery right after charging it. Question; I've seen different numbers used for full charge: 14V 13.8V *12.9V *What is the best voltage to use for fully charged and where did the number come from? 5) The max rate to charge a battery is 20% of it’s amp-Hour rating. Example a 100 amp –hour rated battery should be charged at 20 amps max. *Some chargers automatically adjust the current and length of charge according to the battery's state of charge and then shut off when the battery is fully charged. If the charger requires manual adjustment for current or shut-off, check the charger's instructions to determine the proper current and length of charge based on your battery's rating. 6) An automatic charger that reduces current as the battery becomes charged is best and will give the fastest charging without damaging the battery. 7) Do not leave a battey connected for over 24 hours to a charger that does not automaticly shutoff even if it is a "trickle" charger. Some trickle chargers will raise the voltage as the current drops to levels that can damage a battery if left for extended periods. Sources: Charging Batteries * * * *http://www.ibsa.com/www/faqs/tech_ta...e/charging.htm Battery Tender http://batterytender.com/ Kip Do NOT store ANY battery on cement. It has a bad effect on them. A piece of plywood works ok to store them on. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:44:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 1, 9:03 pm, kipmc4 wrote: This past summer I replaced the battery in my 18ft ski boat and went to a dual battery system with a selector switch. I had probably shortened the life of my old battey by letting it sit discharged for too long over the winter. This year I'm being more carefull. Here are my thoughts on keeping batteries charged: Please feel free to add comments or suggestions. 1) Very important: Do not let your batteries get very low or you will greatly reduce battery life. I have heard that regular batteries will be affected by letting then sit below 75% charge and deep cycle should not be left below 50% charged. Keeping them close to fully charged is best for prolonged life. 2) Be sure wet cell batteries are full using only distilled water. You can tell the water level is correct when you look into the cell and the reflection of the water has a "fish eye" look to it and is not a flat surface. (If you are curious, it is caused by the surface tension effect when the water level touches to fill level guide) 3) Check the existing charge level You can do this using a hydrometer. (under $5) The higher the charge the more dense the liquid and more balls will float. 4 balls floating = full charge Question: How reliable are they? I can’t seam to get more that 3 balls to float (75% charge) You can also measure the charge state using a voltmeter. Let the battery sit for approx 3 hrs after charging before you take a reading. You will get an inaccurate, and high, reading if you measure the voltage at the battery right after charging it. Question; I've seen different numbers used for full charge: 14V 13.8V 12.9V What is the best voltage to use for fully charged and where did the number come from? 5) The max rate to charge a battery is 20% of it’s amp-Hour rating. Example a 100 amp –hour rated battery should be charged at 20 amps max. Some chargers automatically adjust the current and length of charge according to the battery's state of charge and then shut off when the battery is fully charged. If the charger requires manual adjustment for current or shut-off, check the charger's instructions to determine the proper current and length of charge based on your battery's rating. 6) An automatic charger that reduces current as the battery becomes charged is best and will give the fastest charging without damaging the battery. 7) Do not leave a battey connected for over 24 hours to a charger that does not automaticly shutoff even if it is a "trickle" charger. Some trickle chargers will raise the voltage as the current drops to levels that can damage a battery if left for extended periods. Sources: Charging Batteries http://www.ibsa.com/www/faqs/tech_ta...e/charging.htm Battery Tender http://batterytender.com/ Kip Do NOT store ANY battery on cement. It has a bad effect on them. A piece of plywood works ok to store them on. "Battery on Cement" issue is a Myth And to the OP - running a deep cycle battery down to 50% is okay to do providing you PROMPTLY recharge it fully. Allowing any partially discharged bbatery to remain that way is very bad for them. I had always heard that too, but when I checked to see what the battery manufactures says, anytime you have a change in temp between the top and bottom of the battery, it can cause the battery to discharge quicker. So while they have improved the battery case, it is still good advice to insult the bottom so all of the battery is kept at the same temp. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:56:39 -0500, Boater wrote: wrote: On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:44:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 1, 9:03 pm, kipmc4 wrote: This past summer I replaced the battery in my 18ft ski boat and went to a dual battery system with a selector switch. I had probably shortened the life of my old battey by letting it sit discharged for too long over the winter. This year I'm being more carefull. Here are my thoughts on keeping batteries charged: Please feel free to add comments or suggestions. 1) Very important: Do not let your batteries get very low or you will greatly reduce battery life. I have heard that regular batteries will be affected by letting then sit below 75% charge and deep cycle should not be left below 50% charged. Keeping them close to fully charged is best for prolonged life. 2) Be sure wet cell batteries are full using only distilled water. You can tell the water level is correct when you look into the cell and the reflection of the water has a "fish eye" look to it and is not a flat surface. (If you are curious, it is caused by the surface tension effect when the water level touches to fill level guide) 3) Check the existing charge level You can do this using a hydrometer. (under $5) The higher the charge the more dense the liquid and more balls will float. 4 balls floating = full charge Question: How reliable are they? I can’t seam to get more that 3 balls to float (75% charge) You can also measure the charge state using a voltmeter. Let the battery sit for approx 3 hrs after charging before you take a reading. You will get an inaccurate, and high, reading if you measure the voltage at the battery right after charging it. Question; I've seen different numbers used for full charge: 14V 13.8V 12.9V What is the best voltage to use for fully charged and where did the number come from? 5) The max rate to charge a battery is 20% of it’s amp-Hour rating. Example a 100 amp –hour rated battery should be charged at 20 amps max. Some chargers automatically adjust the current and length of charge according to the battery's state of charge and then shut off when the battery is fully charged. If the charger requires manual adjustment for current or shut-off, check the charger's instructions to determine the proper current and length of charge based on your battery's rating. 6) An automatic charger that reduces current as the battery becomes charged is best and will give the fastest charging without damaging the battery. 7) Do not leave a battey connected for over 24 hours to a charger that does not automaticly shutoff even if it is a "trickle" charger. Some trickle chargers will raise the voltage as the current drops to levels that can damage a battery if left for extended periods. Sources: Charging Batteries http://www.ibsa.com/www/faqs/tech_ta...e/charging.htm Battery Tender http://batterytender.com/ Kip Do NOT store ANY battery on cement. It has a bad effect on them. A piece of plywood works ok to store them on. "Battery on Cement" issue is a Myth And to the OP - running a deep cycle battery down to 50% is okay to do providing you PROMPTLY recharge it fully. Allowing any partially discharged bbatery to remain that way is very bad for them. I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. We're all so proud of you! Thank you! :) I feel so fulfilled now! |
Testing and Charging Batteries
wrote in message ... Do NOT store ANY battery on cement. It has a bad effect on them. A piece of plywood works ok to store them on. ---------------------------------------------------- (this should be fun) What, pray tell, is the "bad effect"? Eisboch |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message ... So while they have improved the battery case, it is still good advice to insult the bottom so all of the battery is kept at the same temp. There's plenty of bottom insulting here. We don't need more. Eisboch |
Testing and Charging Batteries
Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message ... So while they have improved the battery case, it is still good advice to insult the bottom so all of the battery is kept at the same temp. There's plenty of bottom insulting here. We don't need more. Eisboch Are we still talking about batteries? ;) I probably didn't explain the situation as well as this Battery FAQ site did. 14.1. MYTH: Storing batteries on a concrete floor will discharge them. False! All lead-acid batteries will naturally self-discharge which can result in loss of capacity from sulfation. The rate of self-discharge is most influenced by the temperature of the battery's electrolyte and the chemistry of the plates. This self-discharge is often mistaken for concrete floor causing the battery to drain. Some experts believe that storing car or deep cycle batteries on a colder concrete floor might actually slow down the self-discharge (leakage) rate because the floor acts as a heat sink and cools the battery. (Please see Section 13 for more information on storing batteries and Section 1 for more information on sulfation. In the early 1900s, when battery cases were made of porous materials such as tar-lined wood boxes, storing batteries on concrete floor would accelerate their natural self-discharge due to external leakage. Modern battery cases are made of polypropylene or hard rubber. These cases are sealed better, so external leakage-causing discharge is no longer a problem, provided the top of the battery is clean and free from wet or dried electrolyte and the same temperature as the floor. Large differences in temperature could cause electrolyte stratification within very large batteries (250 AH) which could accelerate it's internal "leakage" or self-discharge if the battery is sitting on an extremely cold concrete, stone or steel floor in a warm room, boat or submarine. Stirrers or bubblers are often used on these types of large batteries to keep the electrolyte from stratifying. Undercharging will also cause electrolyte stratification, which can also result in loss of capacity from sulfation. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter You probably don't drive much either. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
That was good information about storing batteries on a cement floor.
Do you have the link to the source. In summary: 1) Because the battery cases are better that they once were storing a battey on a cement floor will not **by it's self **accelerate self discharge BUT. 2) The difference in temperature between the floor and the room CAN accelerate sefl discharge so.... 3) A cold cement floor and a warm garage might not be a good combination. So since it costs nothing I'm going to be sure NOT to store my batteries on a cement floor. I dont know about you but my garage floor is frequently much colder than the garage. (especially in bare feet looking for a clean towel in the morning before a shower) This is similar to the distilled water vs tap water debate. For the $2 per year I'll use distilled water. Kip |
Testing and Charging Batteries
On Jan 2, 2:21*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. *Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. *Wife's car was slow starting. *Was going to get the battery tested and when *I looked at the battery was 6 years old. *Surprized me that it lasted that long. *Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't know what has changed, but used to be, a battery would slowly go bad. My recent experiences were that the battery would go bad all of a sudden. Three times, two in my Jeep, and one in my boat. Jeep started perfect, drove to the office, went to leave, and nothing. Interior light wouldn't even come on. Happened a few years later, same vehicle. Boat battery, went out, battery dead. Charged overnight, still dead. |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter You probably don't drive much either. About 7K miles a year..plus I use an electric 'battery blanket' and a 'block heater' when the temp dips below 10F |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter You probably don't drive much either. About 7K miles a year..plus I use an electric 'battery blanket' and a 'block heater' when the temp dips below 10F I learned via a lighter wallet that storage in really hot weather is worse for a battery than storage in cold weather. Eisboch |
Testing and Charging Batteries
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:21:30 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. Too late for that one, but I think wiping my batteries down has made them last years longer. Do it when I change oil. You'll notice a thin sheen of acid/oil on the battery top. Think that's bad due to allowing some current discharge across cells. But I'm not much on electrics. Use a clean rag and watch the acid. Read it many years ago and it seems to do some good. --Vic |
Testing and Charging Batteries
Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. If you don't use your boat often, or never go far from the dock, you really don't need to worry about having a 5 yr old battery. If the battery fails, you just paddle back to the dock. As Harry stated, in 5 yrs he put on less than 125 hrs on the engine because he would always fish less than 15 min. from shore. I automatically replace my auto battery after 5 yrs, and that is used daily. |
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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter Yipeee! |
Testing and Charging Batteries
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... I keep my Parker batteries on the lower shelf of my garage workbench in the winter. Every month, I hook them up to my auto shut-off charger on its low amp setting and top them up. I got five years out of a pair of batteries on the first Yo Ho that way, and they were still good when I sold that boat. I don't think I'd consider 5 year old batteries in a boat to be in good shape regardless of how well they were cared for. Don't like surprises. Eisboch Agree completely. Wife's car was slow starting. Was going to get the battery tested and when I looked at the battery was 6 years old. Surprized me that it lasted that long. Got a replacement battery and engine starts easy now. My vehicle batteries usually last 5-7 years ... even with our 4 months of winter You probably don't drive much either. About 7K miles a year..plus I use an electric 'battery blanket' and a 'block heater' when the temp dips below 10F I learned via a lighter wallet that storage in really hot weather is worse for a battery than storage in cold weather. Eisboch Plus at 7k miles a year, the battery is not used for a lot of starting. Pretty much just sets. Wife's car probably only gets maybe 9k a year anymore. Most around town, as we take the truck for long trips. Much more comfortable and about the same milage. Last trip to Santa Monica for Christmas, averaged 18.2 mpg for the round trip. |
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