Have a good one.
 

On Jan 1, 10:35*am, Boater wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:56:03 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Jan 1, 9:30 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
news:k1hpl45dicdjq6f6g04s3hqkqipigfk6lm@4ax. com...
We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.
BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?
Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.
The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.
Eisboch
You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.
The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.
A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.
Eisboch
Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks.

I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.

Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.

You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So let's see. First you want a HEAVY vehicle to give the tires more
"bite", then you praise the merits of a LIGHT Jeep......
Which is it?

Both. In that era the jeeps were built light. In the tractor pulling
early 70's we found out that a jeep with added weight would out pull a
full size pickup. So, if you already have a jeep and add weight,
you'll do fine. Whatever you have with 4WD will pull more with more
weight.

I remember when jeep came with the options of a front passenger seat,
a snow plow, a turning plow, a mower, irrigation pump... etc. and that
is the *short* list.

Your you sissies, they had the Tuxedo Park.....

Poor stupid Loogie...

In snow, the heavy dump trucks with chains on the tires and sand in the
box break up the snow and ice to get a grip on the pavement.

In sand, the old light jeeps with 4WD don't sink in to the point where
the 4WD is pretty much useless. *Towing ability was not an issue with
the relatively light boats my dad towed to beach launch sites.

Stupidity - it couldn't be a Georgia thing, could it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like that I've spent
more time off road in 4WD vehicles than you. Bet? Another thing, in
places where you get a lot of snow, you'll want to stay on TOP of it,
or you'll risk getting so deep that the running gear will bottom out
on the snow, and you'll be stuck.

Have a good one.
 

On Jan 1, 1:59*pm, wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:35*am, Boater wrote:





Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:56:03 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Jan 1, 9:30 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
news:k1hpl45dicdjq6f6g04s3hqkqipigfk6lm@4ax. com...
We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.
BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?
Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential.. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.
The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.
Eisboch
You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.
The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.
A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.
Eisboch
Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks.

I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.

Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.

You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So let's see. First you want a HEAVY vehicle to give the tires more
"bite", then you praise the merits of a LIGHT Jeep......
Which is it?

Both. In that era the jeeps were built light. In the tractor pulling
early 70's we found out that a jeep with added weight would out pull a
full size pickup. So, if you already have a jeep and add weight,
you'll do fine. Whatever you have with 4WD will pull more with more
weight.

I remember when jeep came with the options of a front passenger seat,
a snow plow, a turning plow, a mower, irrigation pump... etc. and that
is the *short* list.

Your you sissies, they had the Tuxedo Park.....

Poor stupid Loogie...

In snow, the heavy dump trucks with chains on the tires and sand in the
box break up the snow and ice to get a grip on the pavement.

In sand, the old light jeeps with 4WD don't sink in to the point where
the 4WD is pretty much useless. *Towing ability was not an issue with
the relatively light boats my dad towed to beach launch sites.

Stupidity - it couldn't be a Georgia thing, could it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like that I've spent
more time off road in 4WD vehicles than you. Bet? Another thing, in
places where you get a lot of snow, you'll want to stay on TOP of it,
or you'll risk getting so deep that the running gear will bottom out
on the snow, and you'll be stuck.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I used to put skinny bias ply tires on the wrecker to dig through and
get to the pavement....

Have a good one.
 

Have a good one.
 

On Jan 1, 2:30*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 1, 1:59 pm, wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:35 am, Boater wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:56:03 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
On Jan 1, 9:30 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
news:k1hpl45dicdjq6f6g04s3hqkqipigfk6lm@4 ax.com...
We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.
BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?
Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.
The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow.. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.
Eisboch
You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.
The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.
A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.
Eisboch
Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks.
I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.
Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.
You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So let's see. First you want a HEAVY vehicle to give the tires more
"bite", then you praise the merits of a LIGHT Jeep......
Which is it?
Both. In that era the jeeps were built light. In the tractor pulling
early 70's we found out that a jeep with added weight would out pull a
full size pickup. So, if you already have a jeep and add weight,
you'll do fine. Whatever you have with 4WD will pull more with more
weight.
I remember when jeep came with the options of a front passenger seat,
a snow plow, a turning plow, a mower, irrigation pump... etc. and that
is the *short* list.
Your you sissies, they had the Tuxedo Park.....
Poor stupid Loogie...
In snow, the heavy dump trucks with chains on the tires and sand in the
box break up the snow and ice to get a grip on the pavement.
In sand, the old light jeeps with 4WD don't sink in to the point where
the 4WD is pretty much useless. *Towing ability was not an issue with
the relatively light boats my dad towed to beach launch sites.
Stupidity - it couldn't be a Georgia thing, could it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Harry, I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like that I've spent
more time off road in 4WD vehicles than you. Bet? Another thing, in
places where you get a lot of snow, you'll want to stay on TOP of it,
or you'll risk getting so deep that the running gear will bottom out
on the snow, and you'll be stuck.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I used to put skinny bias ply tires on the wrecker to dig through and
get to the pavement....

Why does the Loogy idiot keep addressing love notes to me? I don't read
his posts directly and I am not going to respond to him second hand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, get over it and stop reading, we all know you do.. The first part
of recovery is to admit you have a problem...

Have a good one.
 

Have a good one.
 

On Jan 1, 2:49*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:12:45 -0800 (PST),
penned the following well considered
thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:





On Jan 1, 1:59*pm, wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:35*am, Boater wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:56:03 -0800 (PST), penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Jan 1, 9:30 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Jan 1, 8:56 am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
news:k1hpl45dicdjq6f6g04s3hqkqipigfk6lm@4ax. com...
We've not had any snow which covered the ground, yet. Lots of wind
yesterday, buy only about four flakes of snow.
BTW, have you tried adding chains and weight to the Gator for snow
removal?
Traction isn't a problem with the Gator. It has four wheel drive, a
high and low gear range, plus you can lock the rear differential. With
the wide, soft tires, it actually has much better traction in snow and
on ice than the bigger tractor.
The limitation is the size, particularly the height of the plow. When
the snow gets over 12 inches, it starts to pile up and over the plow
instead of being pushed to the left or right, depending on how you set
it's angle.
Eisboch
You need a full size dump truck with chains and a vee-plow...- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eisboch, don't you love it when idiots tell you what "you need"?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, funny thing is, he's right. * Late last night the landscaping
company that normally plows our driveway showed up. *By then there was a
bunch of new snow and drifts due to wind covering everything, even
though I had plowed earlier. * He was driving a small dump truck with
dual rear wheels and did in about 10 minutes what it takes me an hour or
so to do with the Gator.
The only reason I do it is because we never know when Mrs.E.'s elderly
and handicapped parents who live a few miles from us are going to call
with an emergency. * I try to keep the driveway somewhat passable, even
during the middle of the storm for that reason.
A goal for 2009 is to convince them it's time for assisted living or a
nursing home. *It's a tough sell, but the time has come. * My mother
moved into an assisted living facility last May and she loves it. *All
kinds of activities, new friends, great meals and privacy when she wants
to be alone. It was a tough sell for her as well. *She lived in the old
Farmhouse that we own *(until tomorrow) for seven years. *Now she wishes
she had moved into the assisted living place earlier.
Eisboch
Once I got my driver's license in Connecticut at 16, I earned my
spending money in the winter by plowing driveways and shoveling sidewalks.

I used my dad's 4WD jeep. Chains on all tires, concrete blocks in the
back, and a hydraulically controlled plow. The dump trucks do a good job
because the box can be filled with sand, and the added weight gives the
chains and tires more bite.

Those were the days of relatively lightweight four cylinder jeeps. They
were pretty good on beach sand, too...light enough not to sink too
deeply in the sand.

You remember the long Fountain Street hill? I can down there one snowy
day in the jeep/plow and about halfway down, the road surface turned
entirely to ice. I slid about 500' and only stopped because I dropped
the plow blade and the drag slowed me down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
So let's see. First you want a HEAVY vehicle to give the tires more
"bite", then you praise the merits of a LIGHT Jeep......
Which is it?

Both. In that era the jeeps were built light. In the tractor pulling
early 70's we found out that a jeep with added weight would out pull a
full size pickup. So, if you already have a jeep and add weight,
you'll do fine. Whatever you have with 4WD will pull more with more
weight.

I remember when jeep came with the options of a front passenger seat,
a snow plow, a turning plow, a mower, irrigation pump... etc. and that
is the *short* list.

Your you sissies, they had the Tuxedo Park.....

Poor stupid Loogie...

In snow, the heavy dump trucks with chains on the tires and sand in the
box break up the snow and ice to get a grip on the pavement.

In sand, the old light jeeps with 4WD don't sink in to the point where
the 4WD is pretty much useless. *Towing ability was not an issue with
the relatively light boats my dad towed to beach launch sites.

Stupidity - it couldn't be a Georgia thing, could it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry, I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like that I've spent
more time off road in 4WD vehicles than you. Bet? Another thing, in
places where you get a lot of snow, you'll want to stay on TOP of it,
or you'll risk getting so deep that the running gear will bottom out
on the snow, and you'll be stuck.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I used to put skinny bias ply tires on the wrecker to dig through and
get to the pavement....

It is certainly true that tires have to be fitted for conditions.

Loose stuff, powdery snow, gumbo mud, sand, etc. need flotation....
tall wide tires.

Hard slick stuff, snow that packs, red clay, etc. needs tall, narrow,
aggressive tires.

Ice? ... crap...... anything will make you *go,* you just never know
which direction or how far.....

--
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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did
do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the
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Yeah, I am talking on road use.. I have had several jeeps and use wide
tires that are rated for low pressure for off road use.

Have a good one.
 

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:32:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The problem with living in MA is that during the summer and fall I have to
admit it's a nice place to be, especially living near the coast. You tend
to forget how miserable the winters are until they arrive again. Getting a
little longer in the tooth doesn't help either.

Nice condos for sale just up river from us, great views and right next
to a deep water marina. Oh yes, the airport is less than 30 minutes
away. Drop me an EMAIL if you want more info.

Have a good one.
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:32:39 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The problem with living in MA is that during the summer and fall I have to
admit it's a nice place to be, especially living near the coast. You
tend
to forget how miserable the winters are until they arrive again. Getting a
little longer in the tooth doesn't help either.

Nice condos for sale just up river from us, great views and right next
to a deep water marina. Oh yes, the airport is less than 30 minutes
away. Drop me an EMAIL if you want more info.



Thanks for the offer.
I do a lot of bitching and complaining, especially with the weather we've
been having, but the time just isn't right yet. We discovered that the
first time around buying in Florida.

Gotta resolve the issue of her parents and then figure out the horse stuff.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel though. She's acknowledged that
the activities with the horses can't go on forever, but while she is healthy
and physically capable, she wants to enjoy them. The horse activities
include a network of friends she has up here, so it gets complicated.
Fair enough.

Condos aren't my cup of tea. Nobody will like my guitars, keyboards or 15"
Velodyne subs thumping away.

Eisboch

Have a good one.
 

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:48:02 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 1, 12:41*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:30:42 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Jan 1, 12:24*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

. ..

Think out of the box. *Build a garage at the bottom of the drive, near
the road/street. *As elaborate as conditions allow.
Okay, that's the "automobile BASE station."
BASE to HOUSE TRANSPORT SECTION.
Two options to consider for HOUSE to BASE transport.
Ski lift cable transport to and from HOUSE to BASE.
Snowmobile or snow tractor transport to and from HOUSE to BASE.
Problem solved.
Besides, if you do the BASE station right, you don't have to go all
the way to the boat for some "private and manly" time away from the
wife.
Hell, you could even have a couple chain saws to rev up in there.
Just an idea, one of many.

--Vic

I'll run it up the flagpole. *Nah, on second thought, I won't.
BTW ... *I keep forgetting to ask you....

Are you "down south" *or "up north" *right now? *For some reason I have
assumed you are somewhere in Florida, but maybe I am wrong.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I say build a little barn down by the road for the cars, and make
those horses earn their keep. Of course as soon as you suggest it, I
suggest you duck and cover...;)

GMTA. I've been wondering why Eisboch doesn't do the obvious.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/16/cc/8903_1.JPG

Good exercise for the nags, too.
--
** Good Day! **

* * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I was thinking more this:

http://tinyurl.com/6wa2eg

Not suggesting our friend Dick or his lovely bride look like this;)

You're just cruel.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Have a good one.
 

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:11:09 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Condos aren't my cup of tea. Nobody will like my guitars, keyboards or 15"
Velodyne subs thumping away.

Heh. That's where a boat would be useful, as long as you don't
disturb the manatees. :-)