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BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county
wants to put in a generator and use the methane to produce
electricity. This electricity would provide enough power for about
2500 homes in the area for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking
NIMBY's are crying about the noise of the generator and in the same
breath whining about how global warming is going to kill us all in a
few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

Yeah, a strip mine!

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Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center console,
and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)


--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

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Dave Brown wrote:
Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center
console, and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)



Why would anyone buy a Etec when they can get the same engine Harry
Krause owns?

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:52:03 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center console,
and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)

SSSHHHH.....

We don't want Harry to know that there actually are people who buy
ETECs. If he finds out how much better an engine they are versus a
Yamaha, then he'll go buy one.

And I'll have to repower with something different. :)

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:
Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center
console, and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)



Why would anyone buy a Etec when they can get the same engine Harry
Krause owns?


Why would anyone buy an eTec when they can buy a Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha,
or Merc?

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:52:03 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center console,
and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.
Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)

SSSHHHH.....

We don't want Harry to know that there actually are people who buy
ETECs. If he finds out how much better an engine they are versus a
Yamaha, then he'll go buy one.

And I'll have to repower with something different. :)


And the market penetration of etec in the USA is...?

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:17:49 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

A couple years ago, and maybe you've seen it, but this has
a"well-balanced" view of the etec vs 4-stroke arguments.
http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...ral/ETEC3.aspx
I was shocked to find that you're running a cleaner engine than those
with the filthy Yammy 4-strokes.
Never took you for a Greenie.

--Vic

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Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:
Boater wrote:

Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I
see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center
console, and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Come to my marina - you'll see lots of them. :-)



Why would anyone buy a Etec when they can get the same engine Harry
Krause owns?


Why would anyone buy an eTec when they can buy a Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha,
or Merc?

Do prspective owners of monkey puke colored Parkerrs really have all
those choices?

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:35:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:17:49 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

A couple years ago, and maybe you've seen it, but this has
a"well-balanced" view of the etec vs 4-stroke arguments.
http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...ral/ETEC3.aspx
I was shocked to find that you're running a cleaner engine than those
with the filthy Yammy 4-strokes.

It was an interesting time I'll tell you what. I was an early adopter
of the FICHT technology and while I never had a problem (why, I
couldn't say - I did have one failure, but it was unrelated to the
powerhead problem - it was something completely and totally unheard of
even with four strokes - I had a stator go bad which caused a cascade
failure through the entire electrical system including the EMM.
Bombardier paid for everything - can't beat that.)

Never took you for a Greenie.

I am nothing if not full of surprizes. :)

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:36:26 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:00:10 -0500, Jim wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

I think you used too many words in that sentence. Let me correct it.

"Maybe you need to get out and actually use your Parker"

What a vision. A marina full of monkeypuke yellow boats with low transoms.

And battleship gray engines. :)

Why would you buy a Canadian Engine. May insult you.

At least the Canadians did something right.


Besides - it's white. :)

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:00:10 -0500, Jim wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

I think you used too many words in that sentence. Let me correct it.

"Maybe you need to get out and actually use your Parker"

What a vision. A marina full of monkeypuke yellow boats with low transoms.

And battleship gray engines. :)

Why would you buy a Canadian Engine. May insult you.

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

Yeah, a strip mine!

Or is that a strip club?

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:35:40 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:17:49 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.
You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.
A couple years ago, and maybe you've seen it, but this has
a"well-balanced" view of the etec vs 4-stroke arguments.
http://www.oceanskiffjournal.com/Sub...ral/ETEC3.aspx
I was shocked to find that you're running a cleaner engine than those
with the filthy Yammy 4-strokes.

It was an interesting time I'll tell you what. I was an early adopter
of the FICHT technology and while I never had a problem (why, I
couldn't say - I did have one failure, but it was unrelated to the
powerhead problem - it was something completely and totally unheard of
even with four strokes - I had a stator go bad which caused a cascade
failure through the entire electrical system including the EMM.
Bombardier paid for everything - can't beat that.)

Never took you for a Greenie.

I am nothing if not full of surprizes. :)


I heard it was...gas. :)

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

And battleship gray engines. :)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Casady

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:17:49 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

Harry spends what, maybe 10 hours a year in mid Chesapeake Bay. Jeees.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:26:32 -0500, Boater wrote:

Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.


Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center console,
and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

Harry, you should post a picture of the 'dealership'. Then people could
understand why they don't sell a lot of Evinrude engines in the Breezy
Point Marina.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

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On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:07:02 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

And battleship gray engines. :)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Well I'll be danged - didn't know that.

Also didn't know this:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Qu...4289/Camo.html

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Interesting.

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Tom Francis wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:07:02 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

And battleship gray engines. :)
Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Well I'll be danged - didn't know that.

Also didn't know this:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Qu...4289/Camo.html

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Interesting.


"Officially, there is no such color."

Nonsense.

Officially, I can go into a paint store and buy a can of paint whose
color is described as "Battleship Gray."

Here's a piece of floor covering in Battleship Gray:

http://www.dickblick.com/zz404/04/

paint:

http://www.ipaint.us/epgubagrga.html

Pettit, a well known supplier of marine paints, shows:

http://www.petitprod.com/atomz_searc...p-f=ISO-8859-1


But, of course, there is no such color.

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

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On Dec 30, 2:07*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
And battleship gray engines. *:)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Casady

Well Richard. You may be right, but there's a lot of paint companies
that label their stuff "Battleship Gray or 'grey'" And of course, tere
are a wide variety of tints with the same name.

http://www.paint-colors.net/store/pr...cat=249&page=1

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On Dec 30, 6:43*pm, Tom Francis
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? *How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

But Tom, Richard was talking about "Gasoline" fueled engines

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03Â*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

--Vic

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:51:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 30, 2:07*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
And battleship gray engines. *:)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Casady

Well Richard. You may be right, but there's a lot of paint companies
that label their stuff "Battleship Gray or 'grey'" And of course, tere
are a wide variety of tints with the same name.

http://www.paint-colors.net/store/pr...cat=249&page=1

I was reading something in one of my journals the other day about
black. They've made a "truer" black which, if it can be perfected,
might become the perfect stealth material because it might be capable
of absorbing all light at all wave lengths.

It's made out of carbon nano-tubes.

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:06:04 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:20:27 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:06:04 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


What is heavy fuel oil? This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel

Thanks. According to that
"HFO (Heavy fuel oil) - Pure or nearly pure residual oil, roughly
equivalent to No. 6 fuel oil."

Since I worked with what this page calls No. 5 (Navy Special) and used
diesel oil and a wire brush to get it off my hands, this "diesel" is a
different animal than you may think.
A filthy nasty beast once it's fired up.
Interesting.

--Vic

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On Dec 30, 7:06*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis



wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? *How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. *The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? *This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

--Vic

"Baker fuel" or baker oil"

From what I gather, it was almost like tar,and had to be pre-heated to
get it to flow. A guy who was on the USS John Hood told me that.

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On Dec 30, 7:20*pm, Tom Francis
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:06:04 -0600, Vic Smith







wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? *How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. *The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? *This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel

You're right Tom, it was "Bunker" not "Baker" fuel, I do stand
corrected.

Another diesel OB
 

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:50:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil#Bunker_fuel

You're right Tom, it was "Bunker" not "Baker" fuel, I do stand
corrected.

I like the "baker oil" though.
Hmmmmmmmm. BUTTER!!
Better than that nasty "bunker" stuff of which Navy Special is a
variety.
Though it's not nearly as viscous as tar, we heated it to 135 F and
pumped it into boilers at 1000 psi. It's low grade and cheap.
Had to scrape or steam blast carbon off the boiler tubes every 600
steaming hours. Firesides. Boilermen don't like thinking about it
too much.
I'm going to see if I can get more info about the fuel system on this
"diesel." Because it's cool.

--Vic

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Boater wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:43:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:01:05 -0800, CalifBill wrote:

http://www.megoutboard.com/index.php

Wonder how they would work on a triple engine Grady?
To me, it doesn't seem that the advantages of a diesel translate
well to
an outboard engine, especially a turbo diesel. Am I missing
something?
Yes. It's just another pitiful attempt by the four stroke crowd to
salvage something out of their ancient technology in the face of
clearly superior two stroke, direct injected technology. Namely ETECs
which, as we all know, are the wave (get it wave?) of the future. :)

Sad isn't it?
Those ancient 4 strokes do not blow up as often as those Evinrude
Etec forerunner clones.

My prediction is that with the economy in the dumpster, and that
includes the sale of new boats, the owner of Evinrude's tradename
will soon put it on the block.


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Probably not. If they belly up, the name will have very little value.



Well, the Evinrude division cannot really go belly up, can it? I mean,
it is an owned subsidiary of another corporation. I don't believe it
publishes its own balance sheet. But it can become unprofitable to the
point its owners liquidate it.

It's kind of a sad story. Evinrude and Johnson were *the* motors to own,
at least on the East Coast for salt water use until about the mid-1960s.
Then Mercury began to clobber them in overall sales, and then it was
Yamaha's turn, especially in the Chesapeake Bay area and, according to
my Milford buddy, in that part of Connecticut, too. When I lived in
Florida, Merc was the big name, but Yamaha was biting at its heels.

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.


You forgot the obligatory "my Dad..." sentence in your post, WAFA.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

I remember the Radar Picket ships of the 1950's-early 60's. We toured one
in my youth. Old Liberty Ships and I seem to remember as we walked by the
piston rods, that the RPM was 4. Piston rods were about 2 decks long and
were exposed, with fences around the hole in the deck.

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 7:06 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis



wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

--Vic

"Baker fuel" or baker oil"

From what I gather, it was almost like tar,and had to be pre-heated to
get it to flow. A guy who was on the USS John Hood told me that.

We were on a cruise ship a few years ago, and they use the Navy Special and
have to preheat to get it to flow.

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 2:07 pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
And battleship gray engines. :)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.

Casady

Well Richard. You may be right, but there's a lot of paint companies
that label their stuff "Battleship Gray or 'grey'" And of course, tere
are a wide variety of tints with the same name.

http://www.paint-colors.net/store/pr...cat=249&page=1

My brother painted his 1946 Ford Battleship Gray. Because that was the
paint available. I will have to inform him it was really Haze Gray.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:07:02 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:26:44 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

And battleship gray engines. :)

Officially, there is no such color. Battleships, pickups, and
everything between, are painted ' Haze Gray '.


I have a hazy memory of two "official" greys used on Navy ships. One was
"deck grey" or something which was a different shade than the one used on
the hull.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:15:13 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Germans did that with Bismarck.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:15:13 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Germans did that with Bismarck.

Casady


To fool the ocean?

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:22:58 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:15:13 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Germans did that with Bismarck.

Casady

Or the British Dazzle camouflage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 7:06 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:43:27 GMT, Tom Francis



wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Way cool. The Wikipedia entry mentions this:
"The upper portion is lubricated by continuous injection of consumable
lubricant"
So I'm thinking this is just a damn big e-tec.
What is heavy fuel oil? This is said to be a 2-stroke diesel, but
runs on "heavy fuel oil."

--Vic

"Baker fuel" or baker oil"

From what I gather, it was almost like tar,and had to be pre-heated to
get it to flow. A guy who was on the USS John Hood told me that.

************************************************** ********************

Is that the same as 'bunker fuel'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:24:48 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:15:13 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Never knew they painted bow waves on ships.

Germans did that with Bismarck.

Casady


To fool the ocean?

To mislead an enemy as to the speed. If it works, the torpedoes and
shells will miss. It might work somewhat, and the different paint job
is no costlier.

Casady