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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:46:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.


Not me. I have a TomTom.

Eisboch


Jeeez. You've gotta put up with *two* of him?
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Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

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On Dec 23, 11:02*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:37:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Thanks for the offer on the help, but it's going slower than I
expected. *The rear end is ready, but now I'm completely cleaning the
undercarriage of the car from the front of the rear spring mounts to
the rear bumper, priming and then painting it chassis black. *I
figured I should do it while the rear end is out, and am finding out
in this kind of thing there's no good stopping place. *Now I'm looking
for a place to acid dip my gas tank, then I need to pull some dents
out of it. *And the beat goes on... *:-)

Hey - I'm available if you need some help with something. I've done
restorations before - at some point you have to just get the major
stuff done and worry about the little stuff later.


You sure? I'm at the air angle grinder/bristle disc/face shield/
particulate mask stage. You'd have to have some serious
"igottagetouttahere's" to want to participate in that!

I'll be in touch.

Sounds good.

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Eisboch wrote:

It can if, for a instant, or point, it isn't an arrow.

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.


Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time frame???
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SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4ax .com...
chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time frame???
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No

How ya feelin?

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On Dec 23, 10:46*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.

Not me. *I have a TomTom.

Eisboch

Nyuk, Nyuk......!!

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On Dec 22, 10:59*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

Boolean to you, too.

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Jim wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4ax .com...
chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time
frame???
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No

How ya feelin?

Better, just got home... I will follow up later but aside from no
contact sports and I can't eat anything good, I can resume normal
activity pretty much. I am working on the Blazer now (GM crap) I just
got the door to close and got it started. Still have to find a dead
short that is killing the battery when the truck sits overnight. Now
where the hell is the VOM ;)
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:29:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:20 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports





wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4a x.com...
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

Holy crap.

And people think me and my ions are boring.

Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Yup. Depends on how new the batteries are. Kidding!!!

But it seems to me that this disproves Tom's statement:

"If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless. "

Motion, light emeging from the flashlight, is occuring at a point in
time. But I'm no expert.

Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.

That is because you are a mathematician. Engineers just need to get close,
and math geeks don't get started as it is an infinite series. And here nor
there, this place is never going to be illuminated, no matter how many
lightyears pass..

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On Dec 22, 10:59*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

I cant answer anything math, but my accountant has his Masters in
Finite........ He can start talking numbers, and put me to sleep, or
have me reaching for earplugs.