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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:46:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.


Not me. I have a TomTom.

Eisboch


Jeeez. You've gotta put up with *two* of him?
--
John

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

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On Dec 23, 11:02*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:37:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Thanks for the offer on the help, but it's going slower than I
expected. *The rear end is ready, but now I'm completely cleaning the
undercarriage of the car from the front of the rear spring mounts to
the rear bumper, priming and then painting it chassis black. *I
figured I should do it while the rear end is out, and am finding out
in this kind of thing there's no good stopping place. *Now I'm looking
for a place to acid dip my gas tank, then I need to pull some dents
out of it. *And the beat goes on... *:-)

Hey - I'm available if you need some help with something. I've done
restorations before - at some point you have to just get the major
stuff done and worry about the little stuff later.


You sure? I'm at the air angle grinder/bristle disc/face shield/
particulate mask stage. You'd have to have some serious
"igottagetouttahere's" to want to participate in that!

I'll be in touch.

Sounds good.

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Eisboch wrote:

It can if, for a instant, or point, it isn't an arrow.

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.


Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time frame???
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SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time frame???
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How ya feelin?

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On Dec 23, 10:46*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.

Not me. *I have a TomTom.

Eisboch

Nyuk, Nyuk......!!

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On Dec 22, 10:59*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

Boolean to you, too.

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Jim wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4ax .com...
chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time
frame???
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How ya feelin?

Better, just got home... I will follow up later but aside from no
contact sports and I can't eat anything good, I can resume normal
activity pretty much. I am working on the Blazer now (GM crap) I just
got the door to close and got it started. Still have to find a dead
short that is killing the battery when the truck sits overnight. Now
where the hell is the VOM ;)
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:29:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 23, 8:20 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports





wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4a x.com...
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

Holy crap.

And people think me and my ions are boring.

Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Yup. Depends on how new the batteries are. Kidding!!!

But it seems to me that this disproves Tom's statement:

"If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless. "

Motion, light emeging from the flashlight, is occuring at a point in
time. But I'm no expert.

Here's another way to look at it - if you are already here, want to go
there, you can't get there because it's an instant of time - you can't
move forward and you are where you already are.

That is because you are a mathematician. Engineers just need to get close,
and math geeks don't get started as it is an infinite series. And here nor
there, this place is never going to be illuminated, no matter how many
lightyears pass..

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On Dec 22, 10:59*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

I cant answer anything math, but my accountant has his Masters in
Finite........ He can start talking numbers, and put me to sleep, or
have me reaching for earplugs.

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On Dec 23, 9:59*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Dec 23, 6:23*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4a x.com...
chew on this for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture

And don't prove the weak conjecture.

That's for pansies.

I'll check in later and see what the results are.

Holy crap.

And people think me and my ions are boring.

Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. *For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.

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On Dec 23, 2:44*pm, Jim wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Dec 23, 6:23 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:45:35 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:tdo0l453uk07hkghlv0h15psb00n71vef5@4ax .com...
chew on this for a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture
And don't prove the weak conjecture.
That's for pansies.
I'll check in later and see what the results are.
Holy crap.
And people think me and my ions are boring.
Ok - just because I'm a nice guy - here's an easy one.

In the Fletcher's Paradox, the Greek philosopher Zeno (who was the
inspiration for the Socratic Method) stated that for motion to be
occurring, an object must change the position which it occupies.

In keeping with the name of the paradox, let's use an arrow as the
example. For motion to occur, the arrow must move to where it is not.
Thus there are two states - where it is and where it is not.

If we think of time as points (or instants) the arrow cannot move to
where it is not and it cannot move to where it is because it is
already there. Thus, motion cannot occur at any point (or instant) of
time - everything should remain motionless.

Solve that one - it's actually easy.

I can clarify it (or muddy it) with another "puzzle", the old
spaceship and flashlight one.

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.
At the exact moment that it is one light-year away from Earth, someone
opens up the back door and turns on a flashlight pointed back towards
earth.

Does that light ever reach Earth, or since it is eminating light at
the same speed backwards as it it moving forward, is the light
"frozen" in space? *Bonus question: If it reaches Earth, how long does
it take?

One.

(lightyear)

give or take.

Um, I don't want to tie up braincells with you guys, but isn't a
lightyear a measure of distance? I think Tom was asking for a time frame???
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A lightyear *is* a measure of distance... it is the distance a beam of
light can travel in a vacume at appox, 186,282 mps... Check it out
here..

Don't feel bad, even the resident space man screwed this one up;)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_light_year

I did a report on this once, I am right!!!

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


I heard it was Republicans who didn't believe in science, not English
majors. Or maybe it was the Republicans who denied science, as with
Sarah Palin believing that "The Flintstones" was based upon "actual real
history, when men and dinosaurs walked the earth together shortly after
creation 6000 years ago," or whatever bullschitt like that she believes.

Creationism=Cretinism

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not getting
in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because the 4x4 can
get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...
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SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not getting
in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because the 4x4 can
get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.
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hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...
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SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...


I have a 4WD vehicle. It works quite well in the snowfall we have here.
Stop projecting your incompetencies onto others.

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hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Four wheel drive often gives a false sense of security on snowy,
slippery roads. Once you lose traction and start sliding four wheel
drive isn't going to stop your from crashing into another vehicle, a
bridge abutment, guardrail, tree, or other object.

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On Dec 28, 11:19*am, Boater wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady

Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) *I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...

I have a 4WD vehicle. It works quite well in the snowfall we have here.
Stop projecting your incompetencies onto others.- Hide quoted text -

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I guarantee I have owned and driven more 4x4's than you and at least
1/4 of those miles are off road... I have been either on 2 wheels, or
4x4 since I was a young kid. Started driving my dad's truck when I was
12.. I can barely remember the last "car" I owned. I drove trucks
professioanlly and was a teamster.. You like most others who have a
4x4 only get off road if you drive over Karens roses backing out of
her driveway;) We are a 4x4 family, we actualy leave the house and go
to undeveloped areas to play.. I won't even address you further on
this, you may have been lucky down south there, but you know squat
about 4x4... My wife knows more about 4 wheelin' than you do and can
handle the thing in the woods too...

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On Dec 28, 11:06*am, hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady

Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not getting
in;) *I always laugh at these idiots who think just because the 4x4 can
get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.
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Horse****. They don't stop ANY better on snowy, slippery roads than a
two wheel drive.

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On Dec 28, 12:00*pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 11:19*am, Boater wrote:





SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Here - all you argumentative types...
 

On Dec 28, 12:43*pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 12:00*pm, wrote:





On Dec 28, 11:19*am, Boater wrote:

SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady

Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) *I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster....

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...

I have a 4WD vehicle. It works quite well in the snowfall we have here.
Stop projecting your incompetencies onto others.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guarantee I have owned and driven more 4x4's than you and at least
1/4 of those miles are off road... I have been either on 2 wheels, or
4x4 since I was a young kid. Started driving my dad's truck when I was
12.. I can barely remember the last "car" I owned. I drove trucks
professioanlly and was a teamster.. * You like most others who have a
4x4 only get off road if you drive over Karens roses backing out of
her driveway;) We are a 4x4 family, we actualy leave the house and go
to undeveloped areas to play.. I won't even address you further on
this, you may have been lucky down south there, but you know squat
about 4x4... My wife knows more about 4 wheelin' than you do and can
handle the thing in the woods too...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What idiots like Harry don't understand is that they don't stop any
better than a two wheel drive on snowy slippery roads. Most accidents
on snowy roads are from not being able to stop, not from accelerating.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Obliviously ;) Harry like most of these yuppie idiots you see in the
fast lane in the snow has just been lucky so far... But I am sure he
will attribute it to his superior driving skills learned while he
spent time with Richard Petty and Mario Andretti at a special secret
driving school only for top secret body snatchers and speech
writers...;)

Here - all you argumentative types...
 

On Dec 28, 1:28*pm, wrote:
On Dec 28, 12:43*pm, wrote:





On Dec 28, 12:00*pm, wrote:

On Dec 28, 11:19*am, Boater wrote:

SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady

Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) *I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster....

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...

I have a 4WD vehicle. It works quite well in the snowfall we have here.
Stop projecting your incompetencies onto others.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guarantee I have owned and driven more 4x4's than you and at least
1/4 of those miles are off road... I have been either on 2 wheels, or
4x4 since I was a young kid. Started driving my dad's truck when I was
12.. I can barely remember the last "car" I owned. I drove trucks
professioanlly and was a teamster.. * You like most others who have a
4x4 only get off road if you drive over Karens roses backing out of
her driveway;) We are a 4x4 family, we actualy leave the house and go
to undeveloped areas to play.. I won't even address you further on
this, you may have been lucky down south there, but you know squat
about 4x4... My wife knows more about 4 wheelin' than you do and can
handle the thing in the woods too...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What idiots like Harry don't understand is that they don't stop any
better than a two wheel drive on snowy slippery roads. Most accidents
on snowy roads are from not being able to stop, not from accelerating.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Obliviously ;) Harry like most of these yuppie idiots you see in the
fast lane in the snow has just been lucky so far... But I am sure he
will attribute it to his superior driving skills learned while he
spent time with Richard Petty and Mario Andretti at a special secret
driving school only for top secret body snatchers and speech
writers...;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He had them aboard his 36' zimmerman like lobster boat, along with a
few ex-presidents.

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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:19:03 -0500, Boater wrote:

SmallBoats.com wrote:
hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.

Perhaps if the roads are that slippery and bad you should stay home and
let the professionals and emergency personel do their work.. Last week
when I was on my way to the ER there were hundreds of passenger cars
sliding and crashing in the 6 inches of snow on most roads, even the
main ones. A 10 minute trip took almost 25 as I watch the idiots out
risking their lives and the lives of their families as they would not
take a day off from shopping...


I have a 4WD vehicle. It works quite well in the snowfall we have here.
Stop projecting your incompetencies onto others.

On icy roads, your 4x4 does no better than a 4x2. If it's an automatic, it
does much worse than a 4x2 manual transmission.

Here - all you argumentative types...
 

hk wrote:
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:08:31 -0800 (PST), wrote:

A spaceship is traveling away from the Earth at the speed of light.

Can't happen. As you approach C the mass increases, becoming infinite
at the speed of light. See any good explanation of Special Relativity
for non physics majors. Einstein wrote one, maybe he needed the dough.

How come, although Einstein was a good writer, no English majors seem
to have ever understood special relativity? Or even Newton. I remember
reading in the Denver paper that 4wd vehicles are twice as likely to
end up in the ditch as 2wd machines. Seems English majors, and many
others, think 4wd makes them immune to the laws of Physics they never
studied.

All wheel drive has legitimate uses: hauling a boat up a steep and
slippery launching ramp is one, snow plowing is another. English
majors think it is for making better time on ice and snow. Four wheel
drive is for not shoveling the driveway and still making it to the
plowed street.

Casady


Yup.. When I get out on bad roads I stay in 2 wheel until I need it..
Basically, my theory is 4x4 is for getting out of the ditch, not
getting in;) I always laugh at these idiots who think just because
the 4x4 can get them going faster, it can also stop them faster...

Four wheel drive provides better control on snowy, slippery roads.
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