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Boater wrote: Or are you upset because I have revealed the "hidden" location of a weapon? Well, you can't just "open" that drawer. Hand me a 5 lb hammer and stand back. Eisboch |
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On Dec 2, 5:58*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Boater wrote: Or are you upset because I have revealed the "hidden" location of a weapon? Well, you can't just "open" that drawer. Hand me a 5 lb *hammer and stand back. Eisboch Yeah, but then what, you can get 5 years in Mass for mentioning a firearm ;) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: I don't live in Massachusetts. I also am licensed to conceal carry in three states. ll. Pray tell. What for? Maybe 16 years on rec.boats has something to do with it. Eisboch These wussies? Please. Pants-wetters, all. |
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Eisboch wrote:
Boater wrote: Or are you upset because I have revealed the "hidden" location of a weapon? Well, you can't just "open" that drawer. Hand me a 5 lb hammer and stand back. Eisboch Would that be after your head was removed via a 12-gauge shotgun? :) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: I don't live in Massachusetts. I also am licensed to conceal carry in three states. ll. Pray tell. What for? Maybe 16 years on rec.boats has something to do with it. Eisboch Makes you wonder about his state of mind, doesn't it? |
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:53:36 -0500, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: I don't live in Massachusetts. I also am licensed to conceal carry in three states. ll. Pray tell. What for? Maybe 16 years on rec.boats has something to do with it. Eisboch These wussies? Please. Pants-wetters, all. It's sometimes hard to stay away from the personal insults. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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hk wrote:
Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: Hmm, what do we have here? .357 Dan Wesson with Pachmyer grips and 4" ribbed barrel, Speed loader for same with 6 rds teflon coated hollow points, 20 rds of 7.62 x 39 SKS/AK rounds, Minolta STsi 75-300 zoom lens, Minolta 2x adaptor. Minolta 75x300mm zoom (what a pig!) Rickenbacker 4001 bass bridge pickup. AH! 4 pack of Kodak BW 400CN, Gibson tune-O-matic bridge from a '66 Les Paul, .303 Lee Engield SMLE clip (loaded, of course!) Owners manual to my '74 Yamaha RD400, NRA Belt Buckle, tie tack, and lapel pin, Kodak Star 635 autowind 35mm box of .410 slugs, a sundry of electrical cords to Lord knows what... more stuff, and no socks. Typical for around here. At least you have a sock "drawer." I've got a closet with large pull-out trays, and a tray for my white, black and "other" socks. Not a monstrosity of my making. In the drawer to the right of my desk, I have the following: 55 different kinds of computer/camera/tape record connect wires a half dozen different airline frequent flyer cards, some for airlines that no longer exist earphones two different tripod heads and several different quick release plates three boxes of staples a bic lighter three boxes of speer golddots various receipts I need to keep In the drawer to the left of my desk, I have the following: (classified) :) In my sock drawer I keep my Plastmo compass, my Standard Horizon VHF, my Garmin GPS, old Sony Watchman and various AC charging cords. Seemed like a good safe place. (unclassified) In the drawer to the left of my desk sits a 9mm Sig semi-auto long barrel handgun. It is not loaded. A fully loaded 19-round mag is carefully hidden nearby. I can slap the mag into the handgun and rack the slide pretty damned quick. Naturally, if there are kids in the house, the handgun and mag go in the safe. ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- Scary stuff. I wonder if Karen knows he has that in her house. I'll make a call. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq." wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: On Dec 2, 12:21 am, Tim wrote: Well, Loog, it USED to have socks in it, so therefore the "sock drawer" name, but that was some tiem ago. The socks have had a home on a laundry room shelf for quite a while now. I don't have a sock drawer either. The dirty ones are in the washer and the clean ones are in the dryer. Very simple. Eisboch Do you keep your socks and underwear in the same place? I keep all my daily clothes in the same place. Dirty ones in the washer, clean in the dryer. Drives Mrs.E. nuts, but fortunately we have two washer/dryer setups in our house, so I adopted one set as my clothes washing, drying and storage areas. No need to separate darks from lights either. Just let the new jeans modify the colors of the socks and skivvies. I mean, who cares? Ever since I stopped working, the type of clothes I wear has been reduced to about 3 or 4 pairs of jeans, white crew socks, a bunch of skivvies that I buy in bulk at WalMart or similar, and a bunch of goofy T shirts or pullover type cheap shirts. About once a year I make a trip to WalMart to replenish my wardrobe, whether I need to or not. I also have a pile of dark, forest green polo type shirts with a embroided Sportsfish type boat with "Pangea" over it. Mrs. E. ordered a ton of these, plus matching ballcaps back when I was considering doing paid fishing charters on the Egg Harbor. She got about three boxes, of mediums, large and extra large. I am still working on using them up. I definitely am not a fashion statement. Eisboch I'll take an XL. Do you accept PayPal? |
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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:00:27 -0500, hk wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Tim wrote: Hmm, what do we have here? .357 Dan Wesson with Pachmyer grips and 4" ribbed barrel, Speed loader for same with 6 rds teflon coated hollow points, 20 rds of 7.62 x 39 SKS/AK rounds, Minolta STsi 75-300 zoom lens, Minolta 2x adaptor. Minolta 75x300mm zoom (what a pig!) Rickenbacker 4001 bass bridge pickup. AH! 4 pack of Kodak BW 400CN, Gibson tune-O-matic bridge from a '66 Les Paul, .303 Lee Engield SMLE clip (loaded, of course!) Owners manual to my '74 Yamaha RD400, NRA Belt Buckle, tie tack, and lapel pin, Kodak Star 635 autowind 35mm box of .410 slugs, a sundry of electrical cords to Lord knows what... more stuff, and no socks. Typical for around here. At least you have a sock "drawer." I've got a closet with large pull-out trays, and a tray for my white, black and "other" socks. Not a monstrosity of my making. In the drawer to the right of my desk, I have the following: 55 different kinds of computer/camera/tape record connect wires a half dozen different airline frequent flyer cards, some for airlines that no longer exist earphones two different tripod heads and several different quick release plates three boxes of staples a bic lighter three boxes of speer golddots various receipts I need to keep In the drawer to the left of my desk, I have the following: (classified) :) In my sock drawer I keep my Plastmo compass, my Standard Horizon VHF, my Garmin GPS, old Sony Watchman and various AC charging cords. Seemed like a good safe place. (unclassified) In the drawer to the left of my desk sits a 9mm Sig semi-auto long barrel handgun. It is not loaded. A fully loaded 19-round mag is carefully hidden nearby. I can slap the mag into the handgun and rack the slide pretty damned quick. Naturally, if there are kids in the house, the handgun and mag go in the safe. I'm exercising self-control.... -- John H I think in this state (MA) he would be arrested for doing that, if caught. If not mistaken, all household guns must be stored in a locked storage container, locker or whatever and/or have locked trigger guards installed. Could be wrong, but that's what I recall. Eisboch I don't live in Massachusetts. I also am licensed to conceal carry in three states. Show me where you can get a CCW for any state but the one where you live? Mine has reciprocity in over 20 states but it's one card and one license. |
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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: Boater wrote: Or are you upset because I have revealed the "hidden" location of a weapon? Well, you can't just "open" that drawer. Hand me a 5 lb hammer and stand back. Eisboch Would that be after your head was removed via a 12-gauge shotgun? :) Damn, somehow that image was more than I wanted to imagine this morning. I think I must be a wuss, when my kids were young, I never had a problem with them watching a movie with nudity and mild sexual content, but I would not allow them to watch violence, especially the blood and gore horror films. I was always amazed that graphic violence would get a PG-13 rating, nudity would get a R. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: Boater wrote: Or are you upset because I have revealed the "hidden" location of a weapon? Well, you can't just "open" that drawer. Hand me a 5 lb hammer and stand back. Eisboch Would that be after your head was removed via a 12-gauge shotgun? :) Damn, somehow that image was more than I wanted to imagine this morning. I think I must be a wuss, when my kids were young, I never had a problem with them watching a movie with nudity and mild sexual content, but I would not allow them to watch violence, especially the blood and gore horror films. I was always amazed that graphic violence would get a PG-13 rating, nudity would get a R. I'm not paranoid, but I do take the idea of home invasion seriously. I would not hesitate to shoot and kill anyone other than a law enforcement officer or fireman who broke into our house while we were home. Since I am not a lawbreaker and I don't have or use an illicit drugs, I don't anticipate any cops wanting to bust down our doors. Naturally, whoever tried to bust in would not be Eisboch. Who would trust him with a five pound hammer, anyway? :) ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Naturally, whoever tried to bust in would not be Eisboch. Who would trust him with a five pound hammer, anyway? :) I fix things with it. Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message ... I'm not paranoid, but I do take the idea of home invasion seriously. I would not hesitate to shoot and kill anyone other than a law enforcement officer or fireman who broke into our house while we were home. Since I am not a lawbreaker and I don't have or use an illicit drugs, I don't anticipate any cops wanting to bust down our doors. I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch |
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hk wrote:
I'm not paranoid, but I do take the idea of home invasion seriously. I would not hesitate to shoot and kill anyone other than a law enforcement officer or fireman who broke into our house while we were home. Since I am not a lawbreaker and I don't have or use an illicit drugs, I don't anticipate any cops wanting to bust down our doors. Naturally, whoever tried to bust in would not be Eisboch. Who would trust him with a five pound hammer, anyway? :) #1 Yes, you are paranoid. #2 How often do the police and firemen break into houses? #3 You down own a home. |
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(Eisboch) wrote
I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. * I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD |
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UglyDan®©™ wrote:
(Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:55:08 -0500, hk wrote:
UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Sounds very 'manly' to me! -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:55:08 -0500, hk wrote: UglyDan®©T wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Sounds very 'manly' to me! -- John H What you know about "manly" wouldn't fill the head of a pin. |
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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:55:08 -0500, hk wrote: UglyDan®©T wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Sounds very 'manly' to me! -- John H What you know about "manly" wouldn't fill the head of a pin. You are your son's keeper, his maid, and his bitch. Until you liberate yourself from that lazy ass and grow a pair, STFU. |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:52:53 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:55:08 -0500, hk wrote: UglyDan®©T wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Sounds very 'manly' to me! -- John H What you know about "manly" wouldn't fill the head of a pin. How would you know? Should I buy more guns? What a joke. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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"hk" wrote in message ... UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch If the DA believes unreasonable force was used by the homeowner, and if it goes to court with a jury, the jury will decide if the gun owner acting in a reasonable manner. Just because someone is in your house and you shot him, does not necessarily mean the occupant used reasonable means to defend himself. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch If the DA believes unreasonable force was used by the homeowner, and if it goes to court with a jury, the jury will decide if the gun owner acting in a reasonable manner. Just because someone is in your house and you shot him, does not necessarily mean the occupant used reasonable means to defend himself. Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) |
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Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote: Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch If the DA believes unreasonable force was used by the homeowner, and if it goes to court with a jury, the jury will decide if the gun owner acting in a reasonable manner. Just because someone is in your house and you shot him, does not necessarily mean the occupant used reasonable means to defend himself. Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Well, if he came in while I was sleeping, since I don't have a gun, a baseball bat, or a tasar I guess I would have to sucker punch him. Now if he came in while I was in the kitchen, I could (to steal a scene from cartoons) hit him with a cast iron skillet. I have never had someone break into my home. I only lock my doors when I go to bed, the rest of them time, they are unlock. I just don't worry about it, but loud dogs make my home a less friendly target and the bad guys away. I never worry about someone threatening me, or robbing me on the street. I figure I don't look like a good victim. When I am downtown, I have had some mentally ill people come up to me in a threatening manner asking for money, but I must relate to them or they think I am one of them, because they always calm down quickly. Caesar Chavez believes if people exude quite confidence and the attitude of the alpha dog, animals will calm down. That might be why woman cops can successful arrest a much stronger man. So far, I am batting 1000 and don't worry about intruders, robbers or physical violence. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote: Eisboch wrote: About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch If the DA believes unreasonable force was used by the homeowner, and if it goes to court with a jury, the jury will decide if the gun owner acting in a reasonable manner. Just because someone is in your house and you shot him, does not necessarily mean the occupant used reasonable means to defend himself. Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Don't call me, I haven't a clue. But I think we were discussing the "right" to use deadly force. The statutes don't clearly identify when one has that right other than a "reasonable" act of self defense or defense of another occupant. Who defines "reasonable". The Courts. That's what we are talking about, not a god given right to blow an intruder's head off. What if the intruder is indoxicated? A kid? Half your size and unarmed? In MA, the courts apparently view the "reasonableness" differently in the night/day justification to use deadly force because at night you may not be able to determine some of the details. Eisboch |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Although I do have a shotgun in my house, I like to think I will never use it. Dogs are a great deterrent to home intruders, especially when they can be heard and there's obviously more than one. Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. Problem is, if someone broke in, I think Sam would probably lick him to death. He likes people. However, Sam has a more silent friend named Fudge, the dog Mrs.E. took in. Fudge lets Sam do all the barking, most of the time. But Fudge doesn't like strangers and doesn't hesitate to go into attack mode. Even people he somewhat knows but doesn't see regularly will set him off and either Mrs.E. or I have to demonstrate that the visitor is OK. Only then will Fudge relax. The other day my oldest son went out into the garage area to get something, not realizing that Sam and Fudge were out there. He came flying back into the house doing about Mach 2, with Fudge on his tail, snarling and growling with foam all over his mouth. It's scary to see. Don't be fooled by this picture. He may look scholarly, but it's an act: http://www.eisboch.com/fudgebook.jpg Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Although I do have a shotgun in my house, I like to think I will never use it. Dogs are a great deterrent to home intruders, especially when they can be heard and there's obviously more than one. Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. Problem is, if someone broke in, I think Sam would probably lick him to death. He likes people. However, Sam has a more silent friend named Fudge, the dog Mrs.E. took in. Fudge lets Sam do all the barking, most of the time. But Fudge doesn't like strangers and doesn't hesitate to go into attack mode. Even people he somewhat knows but doesn't see regularly will set him off and either Mrs.E. or I have to demonstrate that the visitor is OK. Only then will Fudge relax. The other day my oldest son went out into the garage area to get something, not realizing that Sam and Fudge were out there. He came flying back into the house doing about Mach 2, with Fudge on his tail, snarling and growling with foam all over his mouth. It's scary to see. Don't be fooled by this picture. He may look scholarly, but it's an act: http://www.eisboch.com/fudgebook.jpg Eisboch A dog, even a small lapdog is much more of a deterrent than a gun. A burglar wants an easy mark, a loud barking dog encourages a burglar to move to another home. |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:27:45 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote: Boater wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote: Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... UglyDan®©™ wrote: (Eisboch) wrote I don't know about all states, but here in MA there are apparently different rules regarding the use of deadly force in the event of a home break-in. I understand that if the break-in occurs at night, deadly force is justified in the eyes of the courts, but if it occurs during daylight hours, there are no guarantees that the home owner will be held harmless or not charged with something. Eisboch It could be a problem for anyone in MA that works swngshift. Good night, Sleep tight. UD In Maryland, there is case law indicating duty to retreat does not apply when attacked in one's home. Other exceptions to duty to retreat are being the victim of a robbery, situations where the imminent peril of attack makes retreat impossible or retreat would not remove the danger. Ergo, if some drooler breaks into my house at night, I have no duty to retreat. I'll simply shoot the sucker. Massachusetts: PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES TITLE II. PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES CHAPTER 278. TRIALS AND PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGMENT Chapter 278: Section 8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense Section 8A. In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling. About the same in Massachusetts as in Maryland in terms of effect. If someone breaks into your house in Massachusetts, you can shoot him. Unfortunately I cannot cite the reference, but there was a talk radio program out of Boston last week discussing this issue. Apparently it is not as clear cut as Section 8A implies (which was the basis of the discussion). According to the MA attorney general, who was a guest on the show, the court system treats a daytime break in differently than one occuring at night. Eisboch If the DA believes unreasonable force was used by the homeowner, and if it goes to court with a jury, the jury will decide if the gun owner acting in a reasonable manner. Just because someone is in your house and you shot him, does not necessarily mean the occupant used reasonable means to defend himself. Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Well, if he came in while I was sleeping, since I don't have a gun, a baseball bat, or a tasar I guess I would have to sucker punch him. Now if he came in while I was in the kitchen, I could (to steal a scene from cartoons) hit him with a cast iron skillet. I have never had someone break into my home. I only lock my doors when I go to bed, the rest of them time, they are unlock. I just don't worry about it, but loud dogs make my home a less friendly target and the bad guys away. I never worry about someone threatening me, or robbing me on the street. I figure I don't look like a good victim. When I am downtown, I have had some mentally ill people come up to me in a threatening manner asking for money, but I must relate to them or they think I am one of them, because they always calm down quickly. Caesar Chavez believes if people exude quite confidence and the attitude of the alpha dog, animals will calm down. That might be why woman cops can successful arrest a much stronger man. So far, I am batting 1000 and don't worry about intruders, robbers or physical violence. It worries me that you'll go downtown where those folks are, not carrying a couple Glocks and maybe a shotgun. You should get yourself licensed to carry in three or four states and load up. I'd think you could handle a few pistols, a shotgun, a large tripod, and your camera without too much problem. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Although I do have a shotgun in my house, I like to think I will never use it. Dogs are a great deterrent to home intruders, especially when they can be heard and there's obviously more than one. Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. Problem is, if someone broke in, I think Sam would probably lick him to death. He likes people. However, Sam has a more silent friend named Fudge, the dog Mrs.E. took in. Fudge lets Sam do all the barking, most of the time. But Fudge doesn't like strangers and doesn't hesitate to go into attack mode. Even people he somewhat knows but doesn't see regularly will set him off and either Mrs.E. or I have to demonstrate that the visitor is OK. Only then will Fudge relax. The other day my oldest son went out into the garage area to get something, not realizing that Sam and Fudge were out there. He came flying back into the house doing about Mach 2, with Fudge on his tail, snarling and growling with foam all over his mouth. It's scary to see. Don't be fooled by this picture. He may look scholarly, but it's an act: http://www.eisboch.com/fudgebook.jpg Eisboch A dog, even a small lapdog is much more of a deterrent than a gun. A burglar wants an easy mark, a loud barking dog encourages a burglar to move to another home. Yes, that's the conventional wisdom, and sometimes it is true and sometimes it is not. Too many burglars today are hopped up on drugs, and may not react in the conventional way to a yapping dogs. Others may be in the mood for a little of the old ultra violence, and simply kill the dog, too. Way back in New Haven days, we had a prowler on our back porch who was scared away by my mother's yapping Pomeranian, Shirley. These days, some of those prowlers might just try to shoot the dog through the door. A burglar is hoping to find an empty house. If there are people home, it is an entirely different crime with much worse outcomes. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Way back in New Haven days, we had a prowler on our back porch who was scared away by my mother's yapping Pomeranian, Shirley. These days, some of those prowlers might just try to shoot the dog through the door. Mrs.E.'s dog, "Fudge" doesn't yap and rarely barks. He just waits quietly until you enter the dark room, then attempts to tear your head off, unless we restrain him. He doesn't have a half throttle mode. He's either chilled out or unbelievably visious in his attack mode. I shudder sometimes thinking of him escaping and running across a stranger. His temperment with strangers caused us to invest in $11k worth of new fencing in the back yard to make sure he stayed where he belongs. When visitors come over we put him in a large dog crate in the garage. (Sam has one too). If unfamiliar people go over to the crates and stick their fingers in it, Sam will lick, Fudge will try to devour. At night, Fudge roams the house on patrol. Sam snores on a couch or on one of my leather chairs that he has adopted for his own. With Mrs.E. and I, "Fudge" is one of the sweetest tempered, lovable dog you can imagine. He loves to be hugged, petted and is constantly giving us kisses. But he is big, powerfully built, very athletic and has an overdeveloped sense of protectionism. As a puppy he was abused, beaten and treated poorly (which is the main reason Mrs.E. "had" to have him. He has taken to us, but God help anyone else who comes around. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:39:03 -0500, Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Oh...what would you do with an intruder in your house who was threatening you? Call Eisboch for a consult? :) Although I do have a shotgun in my house, I like to think I will never use it. Dogs are a great deterrent to home intruders, especially when they can be heard and there's obviously more than one. Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. Problem is, if someone broke in, I think Sam would probably lick him to death. He likes people. However, Sam has a more silent friend named Fudge, the dog Mrs.E. took in. Fudge lets Sam do all the barking, most of the time. But Fudge doesn't like strangers and doesn't hesitate to go into attack mode. Even people he somewhat knows but doesn't see regularly will set him off and either Mrs.E. or I have to demonstrate that the visitor is OK. Only then will Fudge relax. The other day my oldest son went out into the garage area to get something, not realizing that Sam and Fudge were out there. He came flying back into the house doing about Mach 2, with Fudge on his tail, snarling and growling with foam all over his mouth. It's scary to see. Don't be fooled by this picture. He may look scholarly, but it's an act: http://www.eisboch.com/fudgebook.jpg Eisboch A dog, even a small lapdog is much more of a deterrent than a gun. A burglar wants an easy mark, a loud barking dog encourages a burglar to move to another home. Yes, that's the conventional wisdom, and sometimes it is true and sometimes it is not. Too many burglars today are hopped up on drugs, and may not react in the conventional way to a yapping dogs. Others may be in the mood for a little of the old ultra violence, and simply kill the dog, too. Way back in New Haven days, we had a prowler on our back porch who was scared away by my mother's yapping Pomeranian, Shirley. These days, some of those prowlers might just try to shoot the dog through the door. A burglar is hoping to find an empty house. If there are people home, it is an entirely different crime with much worse outcomes. It's funny. Even here in Washington DC, where we get our share of burglaries, I've never heard of a burglar shooting a dog and then breaking in. I've not heard of a break-in followed by a dog shooting either. Yet, you make it sound like it's pretty common. I tried looking in the Huntingtown newspaper, but couldn't find it. -- John H. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... Way back in New Haven days, we had a prowler on our back porch who was scared away by my mother's yapping Pomeranian, Shirley. These days, some of those prowlers might just try to shoot the dog through the door. Mrs.E.'s dog, "Fudge" doesn't yap and rarely barks. He just waits quietly until you enter the dark room, then attempts to tear your head off, unless we restrain him. He doesn't have a half throttle mode. He's either chilled out or unbelievably visious in his attack mode. I shudder sometimes thinking of him escaping and running across a stranger. His temperment with strangers caused us to invest in $11k worth of new fencing in the back yard to make sure he stayed where he belongs. When visitors come over we put him in a large dog crate in the garage. (Sam has one too). If unfamiliar people go over to the crates and stick their fingers in it, Sam will lick, Fudge will try to devour. At night, Fudge roams the house on patrol. Sam snores on a couch or on one of my leather chairs that he has adopted for his own. With Mrs.E. and I, "Fudge" is one of the sweetest tempered, lovable dog you can imagine. He loves to be hugged, petted and is constantly giving us kisses. But he is big, powerfully built, very athletic and has an overdeveloped sense of protectionism. As a puppy he was abused, beaten and treated poorly (which is the main reason Mrs.E. "had" to have him. He has taken to us, but God help anyone else who comes around. Eisboch Well, you deserve praise for saving the dog, but I'd sure invest in a bit of professional training for him. If he gets loose on your property or off, he might turn out to be a very expensive liability. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Well, you deserve praise for saving the dog, but I'd sure invest in a bit of professional training for him. If he gets loose on your property or off, he might turn out to be a very expensive liability. We did. Or I should say MrsE. did. For about three months she and Fudge attended a school twice a week for obedience training. It worked, although it teaches the humans more that it teaches the dog. He listens and obeys every command we give. Wish I could say the same about Sam Adams. Fudge just has no use for strangers. Even the trainer was taken back a little in how protective he was of Mrs.E. We almost gave up at one point and considered putting him down for the safety of everybody. But, since the training, he is controllable and Mrs.E. wouldn't give him up for the world. She has the stupid dog trained to "dance" with her, going through routines where he sits while she circles him, then she stands, and he circles her, goes between her legs, etc., all in time to music. Eisboch |
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JohnH wrote:
It's funny. Even here in Washington DC, where we get our share of burglaries, You don't live in Washington, D.C. You live in Alexandria, Virginia, on the cusp of Springfield. And you certainly get your share of burglaries and violent crimes. thanks in no small part to La Mara Salvatrucha, which is quite active in your area. If you think otherwise, just head on over to Springfield Mall, or, closer, that Wal-Mart on South Van Dorn, or, if you are too lazy to go there, the Safeway shopping center across Franconia Road from you. I've never had a lot of respect for the Fairfax County Police. When I had my office in your neighborhood, I actually witnessed a drug deal taking place across the parking lot. I called the cops; they showed up 45 minutes later, and the police station is right down the road a bit. The county cops seem to spend most of their time looking for cars sans county stickers. If I lived in your neighborhood, I'd move. |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:44:32 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. My dogs bark at *all* noises. They don't take any chances. Ever vigilant. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:44:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. My dogs bark at *all* noises. They don't take any chances. Ever vigilant. --Vic I've got that beat. One of my cats will cozy up to any stranger, rub up against he or she, lapjump and start purring, et cetera. He's our helpful WatchCat. If anyone breaks in, he'll show the perps where our stuff is, and hold the door for them while they carry it out. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:44:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. My dogs bark at *all* noises. They don't take any chances. Ever vigilant. --Vic I remember the first time Sam actually growled and barked. He was just a puppy and usually made all the typical puppy yelps and whines. One day he heard something outside, gave a short, deep growl and a real bark and it scared the **** out of him. He ran and hid under my chair. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:10:43 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:44:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Sam will bark loudly at strange noises ... he even recognizes unfamiliar cars coming up the driveway. My dogs bark at *all* noises. They don't take any chances. Ever vigilant. --Vic I remember the first time Sam actually growled and barked. He was just a puppy and usually made all the typical puppy yelps and whines. One day he heard something outside, gave a short, deep growl and a real bark and it scared the **** out of him. He ran and hid under my chair. LOL |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... Hmm, what do we have here? Unbelievable! http://www.snidelyworld.com/Humor/Upgrade.htm |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:47:51 -0500, Boater wrote:
JohnH wrote: It's funny. Even here in Washington DC, where we get our share of burglaries, You don't live in Washington, D.C. You live in Alexandria, Virginia, Well, excuuuuuse me! I live close enough to DC that I see the local DC news every night. You snipped the part about the dogs, Harry. Again, how come I've never heard of any burglars shooting dogs, as you suggest is so prevalent? the cusp of Springfield. And you certainly get your share of burglaries and violent crimes. thanks in no small part to La Mara Salvatrucha, which is quite active in your area. If you think otherwise, just head on over to Springfield Mall, or, closer, that Wal-Mart on South Van Dorn, or, if you are too lazy to go there, the Safeway shopping center across Franconia Road from you. I've never had a lot of respect for the Fairfax County Police. When I had my office in your neighborhood, I actually witnessed a drug deal taking place across the parking lot. I called the cops; they showed up 45 minutes later, and the police station is right down the road a bit. The county cops seem to spend most of their time looking for cars sans county stickers. If I lived in your neighborhood, I'd move. What is it about liberals that causes them to demur, change the subject, or start with the personal insults when asked a specific question? Do you honestly think someone gives a rat's ass what you think of the Fairfax County Police? Would you hold the Prince George's County Police up as a fine example? Hee hee! BTW, county stickers haven't been a requirement here for quite a while. Whoops! -- John H. |
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