"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:17:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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My wife called from the store where she's doing Christmas shopping.
Same BS every year with kids, grandkids, parents.
Bah, humbug, but there it is.
She saw a 12V drip coffee maker. 20 bucks. I told her to get it.
4-cup. Which means 1 1/2 real cups.
I drink a LOT of coffee, and thermos coffee can't compare to fresh
brewed. We carry our a 10-cup on the road and always brew coffee
in the motel room. A touch of home.
Now I plan to make it when to stop at a rest area, using the cig
lighter to plug it in.
Anybody have experience with 12V coffee makers?
Have to have coffee for my boat overnighters too, so I might as well
be prepared.
Tips?

--Vic

Like Calif Bill, I've heard 12 volt coffee makers are a joke. Think
about
something. A regular, 120 volt coffee maker typically draws anywhere from
5
to 8 amps when heating the water to make the coffee.
At 12 volts that will be 50 to 80 amps. If you drink a lot of coffee,
you'll also be burning a lot of gas running the engine, just to avoid a
dead
battery.

Eisboch

The thing was already here before I got the replies.
Would I have listened anyway? 50/50.
I just tried it out. Field & Stream 4-cup.
Says on the instructions it takes 35-45 minutes.
Actually took 32 minutes. Way too long for a rest stop.
It's clumsy. Put it on the passenger floor and it was generally a
pita, spilled a couple ounces of water.
I think it gets the water through the drip orifice using very low
power, which is why it takes so long.
Wasn't very hot, though it brewed fine and tasted good.
The real max water is about 14 ounces, heated to what feels to me
about 165F, so if you like your coffee hot, forget it.
The hot plate seemed about the same temp, and probably uses most the
current. Putting more juice into the drip part and foregoing the hot
plate by dripping into an insulated carafe would work better, but
would make the thing even more bulky.
The water I used was probably 50F, so doing a BTU/AMPS might
be the best way to get battery drain. It's not like the home pot.
This would be fine in a van where you had some space.
Instructions say don't use in a moving vehicle, but who cares what
they think.
Probably never use it again. She paid 21 bucks with tax. They want
at least +30 online with shipping.
But it comes with a 1-year subscription to Field & Stream. Yeah!!
I'm thinking of finding a real small gas stove to boil up a pint of
water fast, and pour it in a small Melitta drip I have, or maybe get a
French press.
Thanks for the replies, I'm a dope.

--Vic

I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.
http://www.fantes.com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:48:45 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.
http://www.fantes.com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

I'm not much for espresso, just like good fresh drip brew.
Besides, being an old boilerman, I'm done with pressure vessels.
My torches will stay at home, not that it's a bad idea.
I even got to thinking of putting a heat exchanger in-line with my
car's cooling system, which runs 195F, good enough for coffee.
Then I started looking for a compact burner - have a 2-burner gasoline
Coleman around somewhere we used for camping, but it's overkill for
coffee.
Came across this
http://www.jetboil.com/Products/Cook.../Personal-(PCS)
which looks good, at a MERE 100 bucks.
Just set it up, boil up a couple cups of water in 5 minutes, slowly
pour into the small Melitta drip maker I have, or into a French press.
Pretty easy to do all this at a rest stop on a picnic table.
Maybe take half an hour after clean-up.
Only cost a hundred bucks with the one above, but you could do
basically the same with some of butane cannister burners that sell for
20 bucks.
Then my wife says, "Hey, you already wasted 20 bucks telling me to get
that cigarette lighter pot. Just get the damned coffee at McDonald's.
You can live that long without good coffee."
I'm tending to agree with her.
But I ain't quite there yet.
Still thinking of a hot water tap connected to the car's cooling
system.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:48:45 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.
http://www.fantes.com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

I'm not much for espresso, just like good fresh drip brew.
Besides, being an old boilerman, I'm done with pressure vessels.
My torches will stay at home, not that it's a bad idea.
I even got to thinking of putting a heat exchanger in-line with my
car's cooling system, which runs 195F, good enough for coffee.
Then I started looking for a compact burner - have a 2-burner gasoline
Coleman around somewhere we used for camping, but it's overkill for
coffee.
Came across this
http://www.jetboil.com/Products/Cook.../Personal-(PCS)
which looks good, at a MERE 100 bucks.
Just set it up, boil up a couple cups of water in 5 minutes, slowly
pour into the small Melitta drip maker I have, or into a French press.
Pretty easy to do all this at a rest stop on a picnic table.
Maybe take half an hour after clean-up.
Only cost a hundred bucks with the one above, but you could do
basically the same with some of butane cannister burners that sell for
20 bucks.
Then my wife says, "Hey, you already wasted 20 bucks telling me to get
that cigarette lighter pot. Just get the damned coffee at McDonald's.
You can live that long without good coffee."
I'm tending to agree with her.
But I ain't quite there yet.
Still thinking of a hot water tap connected to the car's cooling
system.

--Vic


Just buy yourself a car with a steam engine.

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/t...eam-engine-car


Oh...wait...you are done with pressure vessels...

:)

On Nov 22, 6:48*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:17:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
. ..
My wife called from the store where she's doing Christmas shopping.
Same BS every year with kids, grandkids, parents.
Bah, humbug, but there it is.
She saw a 12V drip coffee maker. *20 bucks. *I told her to get it..
4-cup. *Which means 1 1/2 real cups.
I drink a LOT of coffee, and thermos coffee can't compare to fresh
brewed. *We carry our a 10-cup on the road and always brew coffee
in the motel room. *A touch of home.
Now I plan to make it when to stop at a rest area, using the cig
lighter to plug it in.
Anybody have experience with 12V coffee makers?
Have to have coffee for my boat overnighters too, so I might as well
be prepared.
Tips?

--Vic

Like Calif Bill, *I've heard 12 volt coffee makers are a joke. *Think
about
something. *A regular, 120 volt coffee maker typically draws anywhere from
5
to 8 amps when heating the water to make the coffee.
At 12 volts that will be 50 to 80 amps. * If you drink a lot of coffee,
you'll also be burning a lot of gas running the engine, just to avoid a
dead
battery.

Eisboch

The thing was already here before I got the replies.
Would I have listened anyway? *50/50.
I just tried it out. *Field & Stream 4-cup.
Says on the instructions it takes 35-45 minutes.
Actually took 32 minutes. *Way too long for a rest stop.
It's clumsy. *Put it on the passenger floor and it was generally a
pita, spilled a couple ounces of water.
I think it gets the water through the drip orifice using very low
power, which is why it takes so long.
Wasn't very hot, though it brewed fine and tasted good.
The real max water is about 14 ounces, heated to what feels to me
about 165F, so if you like your coffee hot, forget it.
The hot plate seemed about the same temp, and probably uses most the
current. *Putting more juice into the drip part and foregoing the hot
plate by dripping into an insulated carafe would work better, but
would make the thing even more bulky.
The water I used was probably 50F, so doing a BTU/AMPS might
be the best way to get battery drain. *It's not like the home pot.
This would be fine in a van where you had some space.
Instructions say don't use in a moving vehicle, but who cares what
they think.
Probably never use it again. *She paid 21 bucks with tax. *They want
at least +30 online with shipping.
But it comes with a 1-year subscription to Field & Stream. *Yeah!!
I'm thinking of finding a real small gas stove to boil up a pint of
water fast, and pour it in a small Melitta drip I have, or maybe get a
French press.
Thanks for the replies, *I'm a dope.

--Vic

I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. *A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.http://www.fantes..com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

This part reminds me of a movie "Flipper" where "Porter" ( Paul
Hogan) decided to make some toast by hanging a couple pieces of
bread on a nails and took a propane torch and singed them for about 5
seconds.

instant toast!

why didn't I think of that?

Tim wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:48 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...



On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:17:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
My wife called from the store where she's doing Christmas shopping.
Same BS every year with kids, grandkids, parents.
Bah, humbug, but there it is.
She saw a 12V drip coffee maker. 20 bucks. I told her to get it.
4-cup. Which means 1 1/2 real cups.
I drink a LOT of coffee, and thermos coffee can't compare to fresh
brewed. We carry our a 10-cup on the road and always brew coffee
in the motel room. A touch of home.
Now I plan to make it when to stop at a rest area, using the cig
lighter to plug it in.
Anybody have experience with 12V coffee makers?
Have to have coffee for my boat overnighters too, so I might as well
be prepared.
Tips?
--Vic
Like Calif Bill, I've heard 12 volt coffee makers are a joke. Think
about
something. A regular, 120 volt coffee maker typically draws anywhere from
5
to 8 amps when heating the water to make the coffee.
At 12 volts that will be 50 to 80 amps. If you drink a lot of coffee,
you'll also be burning a lot of gas running the engine, just to avoid a
dead
battery.
Eisboch
The thing was already here before I got the replies.
Would I have listened anyway? 50/50.
I just tried it out. Field & Stream 4-cup.
Says on the instructions it takes 35-45 minutes.
Actually took 32 minutes. Way too long for a rest stop.
It's clumsy. Put it on the passenger floor and it was generally a
pita, spilled a couple ounces of water.
I think it gets the water through the drip orifice using very low
power, which is why it takes so long.
Wasn't very hot, though it brewed fine and tasted good.
The real max water is about 14 ounces, heated to what feels to me
about 165F, so if you like your coffee hot, forget it.
The hot plate seemed about the same temp, and probably uses most the
current. Putting more juice into the drip part and foregoing the hot
plate by dripping into an insulated carafe would work better, but
would make the thing even more bulky.
The water I used was probably 50F, so doing a BTU/AMPS might
be the best way to get battery drain. It's not like the home pot.
This would be fine in a van where you had some space.
Instructions say don't use in a moving vehicle, but who cares what
they think.
Probably never use it again. She paid 21 bucks with tax. They want
at least +30 online with shipping.
But it comes with a 1-year subscription to Field & Stream. Yeah!!
I'm thinking of finding a real small gas stove to boil up a pint of
water fast, and pour it in a small Melitta drip I have, or maybe get a
French press.
Thanks for the replies, I'm a dope.
--Vic
I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.http://www.fantes.com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

This part reminds me of a movie "Flipper" where "Porter" ( Paul
Hogan) decided to make some toast by hanging a couple pieces of
bread on a nails and took a propane torch and singed them for about 5
seconds.

instant toast!

why didn't I think of that?


There's at least one cookbook around that discusses in detail cooking
your dinner via the heat of the engine while you are driving to your
destination.

On Nov 22, 8:58*pm, Boater wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:48 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

. ..

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:17:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
m...
My wife called from the store where she's doing Christmas shopping.
Same BS every year with kids, grandkids, parents.
Bah, humbug, but there it is.
She saw a 12V drip coffee maker. *20 bucks. *I told her to get it.
4-cup. *Which means 1 1/2 real cups.
I drink a LOT of coffee, and thermos coffee can't compare to fresh
brewed. *We carry our a 10-cup on the road and always brew coffee
in the motel room. *A touch of home.
Now I plan to make it when to stop at a rest area, using the cig
lighter to plug it in.
Anybody have experience with 12V coffee makers?
Have to have coffee for my boat overnighters too, so I might as well
be prepared.
Tips?
--Vic
Like Calif Bill, *I've heard 12 volt coffee makers are a joke. *Think
about
something. *A regular, 120 volt coffee maker typically draws anywhere from
5
to 8 amps when heating the water to make the coffee.
At 12 volts that will be 50 to 80 amps. * If you drink a lot of coffee,
you'll also be burning a lot of gas running the engine, just to avoid a
dead
battery.
Eisboch
The thing was already here before I got the replies.
Would I have listened anyway? *50/50.
I just tried it out. *Field & Stream 4-cup.
Says on the instructions it takes 35-45 minutes.
Actually took 32 minutes. *Way too long for a rest stop.
It's clumsy. *Put it on the passenger floor and it was generally a
pita, spilled a couple ounces of water.
I think it gets the water through the drip orifice using very low
power, which is why it takes so long.
Wasn't very hot, though it brewed fine and tasted good.
The real max water is about 14 ounces, heated to what feels to me
about 165F, so if you like your coffee hot, forget it.
The hot plate seemed about the same temp, and probably uses most the
current. *Putting more juice into the drip part and foregoing the hot
plate by dripping into an insulated carafe would work better, but
would make the thing even more bulky.
The water I used was probably 50F, so doing a BTU/AMPS might
be the best way to get battery drain. *It's not like the home pot.
This would be fine in a van where you had some space.
Instructions say don't use in a moving vehicle, but who cares what
they think.
Probably never use it again. *She paid 21 bucks with tax. *They want
at least +30 online with shipping.
But it comes with a 1-year subscription to Field & Stream. *Yeah!!
I'm thinking of finding a real small gas stove to boil up a pint of
water fast, and pour it in a small Melitta drip I have, or maybe get a
French press.
Thanks for the replies, *I'm a dope.
--Vic
I think the small 1 cup espresso pots would be great. *A propane torch and
the pot and about 5 minutes total you would have coffee.http://www.fantes.com/espresso-stovetop.html
I bought the last one at Marshall's (closeout store chain) for about $5.http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bnzts3000t.html
propane torch like you probably already own for plumbing and igniting
dynamite fuses.

This part reminds me of a movie "Flipper" where "Porter" ( Paul
Hogan) * decided to make some toast by hanging a couple pieces of
bread on a nails and took a propane torch and singed them for about 5
seconds.

instant toast!

why didn't I think of that?

There's at least one cookbook around that discusses in detail cooking
your dinner via the heat of the engine while you are driving to your
destination.

Back in the straight-6 flathead days, my dad used to have an "Air-flo"
Desoto, and dad had welded and made a bracket which attached to the
engine head. So when traveling the three hr. distance home, there
were cans of Campbell soup held firmly in them. half way home it was
lunch time.In the winter there were also metal jars in place full of
coffee or tea

always hot, always ready.

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



Back in the straight-6 flathead days, my dad used to have an "Air-flo"
Desoto, and dad had welded and made a bracket which attached to the
engine head. So when traveling the three hr. distance home, there
were cans of Campbell soup held firmly in them. half way home it was
lunch time.In the winter there were also metal jars in place full of
coffee or tea

always hot, always ready.

Might be a better idea rigging a suitable water container to the
exhaust manifold instead of tapping into the cooling system.
Still thinking about just hot water to brew coffee here.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



Back in the straight-6 flathead days, my dad used to have an "Air-flo"
Desoto, and dad had welded and made a bracket which attached to the
engine head. So when traveling the three hr. distance home, there
were cans of Campbell soup held firmly in them. half way home it was
lunch time.In the winter there were also metal jars in place full of
coffee or tea

always hot, always ready.

Might be a better idea rigging a suitable water container to the
exhaust manifold instead of tapping into the cooling system.
Still thinking about just hot water to brew coffee here.

--Vic


Kinda went through this process in August 2007 when I towed my Sandpiper 565
sailboat up to Ontario for a Rendezvous.
One generous guy from Ottawa offered to loan me his old camp stove. When I
got to his house, he presented me with a brand new stove and a package of 4
propane (or is it butane?) refills. All this after putting me up for a night
and providing breakfast next morning.
I didn't use the stove on the trip since I filled up on all the food being
passed around the three days of our little cruise adventure.

On Nov 22, 9:19*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



Back in the straight-6 flathead days, my dad used to have an "Air-flo"
Desoto, and dad had welded and made a bracket which attached to the
engine head. So when traveling the three hr. distance home, *there
were cans of Campbell soup held firmly in them. half way home it was
lunch time.In the winter there were also metal jars in place full of
coffee or tea

always hot, always ready.

Might be a better idea rigging a suitable water container to the
exhaust manifold instead of tapping into the cooling system.
Still thinking about just hot water to brew coffee here.

--Vic

I always thought about something like that, only i was going to make a
heat exchanger in the heater hose. Something like a type of
insulated canister with a copper coil wrapped around it that the
heated coolant would flow through and warm up whatever was inside to
approx 190 degree engine temp. I thought of using a glass insert from
an old style thermos bottle. (can you still get those?)

In most cars, the heater works year around. The vents close it cabin
air off from it so you can use the air conditioning. and the variation
of heat or cool you want in the car depends on how wide you open the
heater core vent. So, even in the summer you can have hot water to
make coffee or tea or whatever.

just a thought.

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:40:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

I'm thinking of finding a real small gas stove to boil up a pint of
water fast, and pour it in a small Melitta drip I have, or maybe get a
French press.

The classic Primus stove, I bought mine 40 years ago in Stockholm.
Burns kerosene, you preheat it with alcohol. Non explosive fuel, if
that matters.

Casady