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Too much top-heavy wages and bonuses. What do you care anyway...go
back to counting your money.

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Gee. I wonder who *that* could be.

Eisboch

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Too much top-heavy wages and bonuses. What do you care anyway...go
back to counting your money.

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Gee. I wonder who *that* could be.

Eisboch


I was thinking the same thing. JH maybe?

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Be careful here. The laws of physics and mathematics preclude the
possibility of generating more than 3413 BTU/hr per kilowatt. The
only exception is if heat is moved from one place to another in the
process, for example, a heat pump.



That's why the results of the tests were so bizarre.
What I was doing was heating an object of a certain mass.
When heating it with conventional means (or those used for the
state-of-the-art at the time)
the time required to heat the object ..... in this case to 200 degrees
C. took many, many times longer when compared to the plasma
configuration, using roughly the same amount of input power. I'll have
to review the notes to get the actual numbers.

I don't profess to understand what is going on, except for the facts
that this occurs in a vacuum, under a partial pressure. Argon gas
molecules are energized to an ionized (plasma) state within a confined
space and are used to bombard the object, using a 400 - 500 volt DC
potential difference. In some cases, I actually was able to begin to
melt (actually evaporate or sublimate) the aluminum object in very short
order, something that never occurred with the other means of heating.
It's not dis-similar to a process called "sputtering", but you don't
apply enough power to knock atoms of material off of the object
(target).

I am purposely leaving out a significant detail of the configuration,
for selfish reasons.

I read one scientific paper that talked about the same type of
phenomena. The patent attorney found it and gave it to me to read. If
I recall correctly, the author, in his summary (which is really all I
could understand) acknowledged that he didn't have a clue either, other
than it didn't appear to follow accepted thermodynamics laws and he (as
others have done) theorized on a new state of matter. Not a gas, not a
solid, not a liquid.

All this occurred in 1983 or thereabouts.

Eisboch

Quite correct, this did occur in the early 80's. But two differences
exist. This is much bigger and more depth to it. While I knew it was
coming, the depth has surprised me big time. But that means more profit
when it ends.

The second difference, the wild card of this event, is the governments
reaction delivering ever larger bailouts. This is scary. Not being an
active investor in 1980 I am guessing, but did not interest rates go up
above inflation and up to the high teens to stem debt? Is your average
middle class Joe in North America so far in debt the government has
screwed up with interest rates below market to a point of a larger
collapse?

Time will tell, but I suspect double digit borrowing rates before this
recession ends.


Gotta give you credit. You have a one track mind.

Eisboch


This melt down is all a result of your strange heating experiments. The new
state of matter has jumped in to the finance field.

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:33:13 -0500, Jim wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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Too much top-heavy wages and bonuses. What do you care anyway...go
back to counting your money.

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Gee. I wonder who *that* could be.

Eisboch


I was thinking the same thing. JH maybe?

Not *this* JH!
--
John H.

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On Nov 15, 4:30*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:33:13 -0500, Jim wrote:
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Too much top-heavy wages and bonuses. What do you care anyway...go
back to counting your money.

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Gee. *I wonder who *that* could be.

Eisboch

I was thinking the same thing. JH maybe?

Not *this* JH!
--
John H.

Nor me. My last post to this house of lunacy was a couple of weeks
ago.

Carry on with the name calling, insults and other juvenile behavior
here.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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This melt down is all a result of your strange heating experiments. The
new state of matter has jumped in to the finance field.


Don't blame me. Harry says it's Bush's fault.

Eisboch

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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This melt down is all a result of your strange heating experiments. The
new state of matter has jumped in to the finance field.


Don't blame me. Harry says it's Bush's fault.

Eisboch

Is GW a product of your experiments?

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Eisboch wrote:
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This melt down is all a result of your strange heating experiments. The
new state of matter has jumped in to the finance field.


Don't blame me. Harry says it's Bush's fault.

Eisboch




This country has come pretty close to being destroyed under the careful
stewardship of Bush, from 9-11, to a trumped up war, to massive
deficits, to the destruction of the middle class, to the Katrina
aftermath, to the denial of science, to the financial destruction, to
the lack of oversight, to massive unemployment, to destruction of our
reputation around the world...you name it, and Bush has foched it up.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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It's possible that you triggered an exothermic reaction of some sort
in one of the materials. That would be a one time event, and excess
heat production would stop once the reaction had run its course.


Wayne, you may be very close. According to a physicist that I talked to and
described the
setup and results, he described a reaction, but it was not chemical or
exothermic.
Argon in it's natural state is inert, as is aluminum. The unknown is what
the activity of ionized molecules, both neg and pos are in this setup. I
have an idea, and it has to do with the details of the configuration.
Basically, the electrons (supplied by the DC power supply) that ionize the
gas molecules cannot escape and return readily to ground, so more and more
molecules of gas are ionized per electron. At some point the negative ions
themselves have enough density and velocity to do the ionization of more gas
molecules themselves. The positive ions are what are crashing into the
aluminum and doing the heating.
Almost, but not quite, a self sustaining reaction.

The results were repeatable and I never saw any indication that extending
time resulted in any significant slowing of the heating. As mentioned, left
to run, the aluminum would start to soften and sag.

BTW ... the physicist also warned me to be careful. He said I was playing
with something not fully understood.

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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This melt down is all a result of your strange heating experiments. The
new state of matter has jumped in to the finance field.


Don't blame me. Harry says it's Bush's fault.

Eisboch


This country has come pretty close to being destroyed under the careful
stewardship of Bush, from 9-11, to a trumped up war, to massive deficits,
to the destruction of the middle class, to the Katrina aftermath, to the
denial of science, to the financial destruction, to the lack of oversight,
to massive unemployment, to destruction of our reputation around the
world...you name it, and Bush has foched it up.


Holy crap! You're like one of those talking dolls. Push a button and it
recites some preprogrammed statement, over and over and over and over.
Until the batteries go dead. AHHH.... so that's why you announced the word
of the day!

Eisboch