need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

To stop the wind generator, you will need to short circuit its output
terminals, which serves to load the generator and prevent it from
spinning.
There are IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS:
If the wind generator is short circuited while connected to the
battery bank then the battery bank will be short circuited with
cathastrophic consequences.
Accordingly a mechanical interlock between the windgenerator
isolation switch and the wind generator short circuiting switch is
essential..
Search the West marine catalog for battery isolation switches, which
use detachable keys, which are locked in position while live and are
removeable while dead. Buy two isolators and throw away one of the
keys so that only one switch can be active.
One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the other
will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the single
key will safely do the switching

On Jan 27, 2:30 pm, Joe canada wrote:

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

A bicycle disk brake mechanism would work.

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

Depends on what wind generator you have but Ampair has installation
manuals on their web site and the 300 manual shows how to wire in a
tree way stop switch. But again the generator needs to support it. You
might contact the manufacturer for the exact installation.




On Jan 27, 8:30 am, Joe canada wrote:

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

nollaigoc wrote:

One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the other
will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the single
key will safely do the switching

Depending on the type of wind generator, you likely don't want to do
this. When you open the circuit to the batteries, you've just
disconnected the load from an inductive circuit with current flowing in
it (assuming the wind generator is spinning, which is why you want to
stop it in the first place). If the wg is a generator-type (has brushes
and a commutator) you'll get a voltage spike, maybe a burned switch or
other damage. If its an alternator-type, you run the risk of blowing
the recifying diodes as well. Same issue as disconnecting the batteries
from the alternator on your engine when the engine's running.

I don't have any practical experience with this, just some theory.
A generator-type wg must have some way of isolating the batteries when
the wind's not blowing so there must be a diode or some sort of
regulator in there already. In the alternator-type, the rectifiers
which convert the AC to DC also serve to isolate the batteries, so
there's not likely to be anything else.

Assuming you get by the battery isolation problem, shorting the wind
generator may damage it, depending on the construction of the windings
and in the case of the alternator-type the current rating of the diodes,
along with how fast it's turning when you hit the switch. You're basicly
using the resistance of the windings as the full load on the wind
generator when you do this. Some may be designed to take this for the
time it takes to shut down, I don't know the specifics.

I'm going to be playing around with this a couple of weeks from now, in
connection with building a shunt regulator for the wg, which is the same
sort of problem as the stop switch. I'm thinking a Schottky (sp?)
barrier diode (lower voltage drop) to isolate the batteries, and some
sort of progressive load increasing to short for shutdown to stay within
the max current ratings of my alternator-type wind generator.

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

Roger Mexico wrote in
:

nollaigoc wrote:

One switch will connect the wind gen to the batteries, while the
other will be connected accross the wind gen output terminals and the
single key will safely do the switching

Depending on the type of wind generator, you likely don't want to do
this. When you open the circuit to the batteries, you've just
disconnected the load from an inductive circuit with current flowing
in it (assuming the wind generator is spinning, which is why you want
to stop it in the first place). If the wg is a generator-type (has
brushes and a commutator) you'll get a voltage spike, maybe a burned
switch or other damage. If its an alternator-type, you run the risk
of blowing the recifying diodes as well. Same issue as disconnecting
the batteries from the alternator on your engine when the engine's
running.

I don't have any practical experience with this, just some theory.
A generator-type wg must have some way of isolating the batteries when
the wind's not blowing so there must be a diode or some sort of
regulator in there already. In the alternator-type, the rectifiers
which convert the AC to DC also serve to isolate the batteries, so
there's not likely to be anything else.

Assuming you get by the battery isolation problem, shorting the wind
generator may damage it, depending on the construction of the windings
and in the case of the alternator-type the current rating of the
diodes, along with how fast it's turning when you hit the switch.
You're basicly using the resistance of the windings as the full load
on the wind generator when you do this. Some may be designed to take
this for the time it takes to shut down, I don't know the specifics.

I'm going to be playing around with this a couple of weeks from now,
in connection with building a shunt regulator for the wg, which is the
same sort of problem as the stop switch. I'm thinking a Schottky
(sp?) barrier diode (lower voltage drop) to isolate the batteries, and
some sort of progressive load increasing to short for shutdown to stay
within the max current ratings of my alternator-type wind generator.

FYI: The KISS generator has a single switch which either connects the
output of the generator to the rectifier or shorts the wind generator.

-- Geoff

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

"joseph" wrote in message
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Depends on what wind generator you have but Ampair has installation
manuals on their web site and the 300 manual shows how to wire in a
tree way stop switch. But again the generator needs to support it. You
might contact the manufacturer for the exact installation.


I dont have any experience with tree way switches despite having worked in
forrestry for a while ;-), but for a really cool stop switch, get down to
your local electronics stores and find one of those aircraft style missile
launch switches with the protective red cover. they cost about $5 for a
really nice one. Epoxy it somewhere prominent and make up a very
professional looking label with a labeling machine if you have one saying
'stop'. this is a great switch. wiring it up to work is entirely another
matter which is completely beyond me!

I dont have a wind generator on my boat yet, but i work as a boilermaker so
the idea of basic engineering is not beyond me. depending on how big your
generator is, Id try to approach it more from a mechanical viewpoint than an
electrical one. how hard is the blade to take off? is there some
possibility of making it easier to remove? If i was going into a big blow,
id want it off!

The idea of the disc brake is a pretty good one.... a disc brake combined
with a locking pin and then removing the blade seems like the safest idea.
If you leave that blade up there but locked in place you'll soon find the
weakest link in the chain, and im sure it wont be pleasant ;-) that energy
has to go somewhere!

Shaun

need instructions to build a stop switch for a wind generator
 

Geoff Schultz wrote:

FYI: The KISS generator has a single switch which either connects the
output of the generator to the rectifier or shorts the wind generator.

-- Geoff

Thanks for the pointer. It looks like what the KISS stop switch does is
short the alternator windings ahead of the rectifiers, the same sort of
thing the stop switch on the Ampair 300 in the other thread is doing.
My main concern is for opening up the circuit downstream of the
rectifiers on an alternator-type wind generator. My old Ampair 100
doesn't have access to the circuit ahead of the rectifiers (rectifiers
up with the alternator, then 2 sliprings to transfer the DC down the
mast) so I'm faced with the problem.