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In article ,
Gary Schafer wrote:



And yes I did read most of the thread. Quite amusing. I have no clue
what you are trying to say and I am sure many others also don't.

Regards
Gary



We all missed you Gary, nice to see you back again.......


Bruce in alaska
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:00:27 GMT, Bruce in Alaska
wrote:

In article ,
Gary Schafer wrote:



And yes I did read most of the thread. Quite amusing. I have no clue
what you are trying to say and I am sure many others also don't.

Regards
Gary



We all missed you Gary, nice to see you back again.......


Bruce in alaska

Hi Bruce,

It is nice to be back in warm Florida. Was in Wisconsin for awhile and
got to see some snow again. Nothing new for you though. :)

Nice to hear form you.

Regards
Gary

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Ok since you are being persistent, this is how I see the antenna
getting into the mix. The guy mentioned grounding the SSB antenna and
since it doesn't seem that he is even close to being mentally
challenged, I would have taken his statement to mean he was concerned
about tying the SSB antenna ground system into the other ground
systems on the boat.
But it seems you wanted to make a big deal of his not being exactly
precise in his question. Now you come up with all sorts of off the
wall explanations of how antennas work and blame others for being
inept.

1st if you are interested, a grounded back stay can be made to work as
an efficient antenna just as well as any other type of grounded or
ungrounded antenna can. It all depends on how it is fed. But I don't
believe that was the question posed.

2nd, you can feel a little relieved as many people make the same
mistakes as you are making about how antennas radiate.
All antennas radiate all of their energy into the same "hemisphere" as
you call it. Where many make the mistake with vertical antennas is
looking at the radiation patterns drawn in many books and also some of
the old explanations of the ground as being "a mirror image" of the
vertical antenna and being the other half of it.
That is far from the truth. It was an elementary explanation of the
vertical compared to a dipoles operation but it is not how things
work.

All of the radiated power from a vertical comes from the vertical
element itself. The ground does not radiate as part of the antenna.

A dipole radiates the same amount of power as does a vertical antenna
that has the same efficiency. The radiation patterns are different
between the two types of antennas but there is no difference in total
energy radiated. A ground mounted vertical may have more ground losses
if there is an inefficient ground system for the antenna but then a
dipole also suffers from ground losses depending on how close to
ground it is mounted and its radiation pattern is also altered.

A counterpoise can be many configurations. 1/2 of a dipole antenna is
the counterpoise for the other half. Ground can be the counterpoise
for a vertical antenna. An elevated wire or set of wires can be a
counterpoise for a vertical antenna.

Regards
Gary




On 17 Dec 2005 12:32:22 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

I repeat "Read it again, Gary." the example I gave is an
illustration......read what it says and apply your thought process
instead of your reactionary ....If you did read the thread you would
know where the question developed...or perhaps you can find someone to
read it to you so you don't miss anything,since you admit in your post
that in fact you have not read it all.
And FYI, the illustration I used is derived from Ralph Holland's
Amateur Radfg 1996 ....

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Read it again, gary....
And tell me, is a backstay vetical or horizontal...
and tell me, if you are using your backstay as the radiating element of
your antenna system, why then do you insulate it from ground?
regards,
markvictor

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The only "ineptness" anyone is making accusations about is your
apparent inability to read an entire thread and comprehend it...
regards
markvictor

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"exactly precise" is redundant...

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"markvictor" wrote in
oups.com:

why then do you insulate it from ground?

Old habits are hard to die. You don't need to insulate the top of it,
just the feed point.....well, unless you run a wire in parallel with it
up 30' and attach the tuner ACROSS the backstay.

I used to take my Yaesu FT-900 and a Nye-Viking 3KW manual antenna tuner
to sea on Claire's Navie. That tuner will resonate almost any length
antenna to almost any impedance at high power. It's MUCH better made
than that little plastic Icom box with the tiny relays and crappy little
coils. This sucker is made for 40A of antenna current and has a coil to
take it.

I grounded the tuner through a jumper cable strap to the base of the
mainmast and fed the port side chainplate to the port shroud, which
wasn't grounded, shunt-feeding the mainmast and all the rigging attached
to it. As long as you didn't use it around 9.5 Mhz, where something
resonated enough to bite your hand holding the mike, even on 100 watts,
it got impressive signal reports on 20, 40 and 75 meter SSB from
offshore.

In the case of the little AT-130 autotuner (and its clones), you use an
insulated backstay because the autotuners have a limited range of
impedances they can actually resonate across the HF spectrum. It's just
easier on the non-technical amoung us.

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And the fact that your aluminum mast is gonded ...why challenge the
working parameters of your tuner? It also prevents those tingles you
refer to when someone(yes, perhaps foolishly) comes in contact with
that backstay or mast while TXing... And I'm sure you realize that
despite what anyones opinion of it might be, that plastic AT-130 is the
most common tuner in the fleet these days...and works well enough with
an INSULATED backstay and efficient counterpoise....
regards
markvictor

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On 18 Dec 2005 15:17:53 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

Read it again, gary....
And tell me, is a backstay vetical or horizontal...
and tell me, if you are using your backstay as the radiating element of
your antenna system, why then do you insulate it from ground?
regards,
markvictor

Well, now you see, Larry has shown you a couple of ways you can use a
grounded antenna.

Anything else you are wondering about?

Regards
Gary

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"markvictor" wrote in
oups.com:

And the fact that your aluminum mast is gonded ...why challenge the
working parameters of your tuner? It also prevents those tingles you
refer to when someone(yes, perhaps foolishly) comes in contact with
that backstay or mast while TXing... And I'm sure you realize that
despite what anyones opinion of it might be, that plastic AT-130 is the
most common tuner in the fleet these days...and works well enough with
an INSULATED backstay and efficient counterpoise....
regards
markvictor




You obviously don't work around RF. This isn't AC power. At some
frequency, when something resonates, your shroud and your handrail could
be several hundred volts DIFFERENCE, which is the only way to get zapped.
There is NO GROUND in an RF system. 1/4 wavelength back from some
reference point, say the engine block at sea potential, there exists a
virtual open circuit at that RF frequency....a point of no current and
high voltage to that engine block. Divide 246 by the frequency in
megahertz to find how many feet that is. Every 1/4 wavelength, the
opposite condition repeats itself over and over. If your backstay is
64' long with an insulator at the top that always makes that point the
high impedance point (an open), where voltage is high and current is
zero, on 7 Mhz, the feedpoint at the tuner is very low impedance, indeed.
Current in the wire is high, voltage is very low at the tuner output.
The backstay is 1/4 wavelength long. On 14 Mhz, the backstay is two 1/4
waves long. The high voltage, low current at the insulator repeats
itself and the voltage on the tuner output is very high...high impedance.
The low impedance point on 14 Mhz is in the middle of the backstay,
again, 1/4 wavelength back from the insulator at the top.

If things are bonded with very short bonds together, there won't be a
potential difference between points, say the shroud and handrail of a
sailboat. But, if the shroud has a bond from the chainplate down into
the bilge back to the engine block "ground" and the handrail is bonded
back by the engine room, a significant part of a wavelength DIFFERENCE
exists between the two lengths of grounding bond. ANY conductor is an
ANTENNA, even the bonding straps, handrail, shroud. If the chainplate,
at some frequency, was 1/4 wavelength to the engine and the handrail and
its bonding system were 1/2 wavelength (or some DIFFERENT LENGTH), at the
point where the shroud comes over the handrail, there could be a
CONSIDERABLE difference in RF voltage right between them as you're
leaning over the rail touching the shroud.

However, at 150 watts on the yachtsman's little Icom, you won't feel
much. Raise that up to 1500 watts on my ham radio station and it will
light your fire, induced from that totally isolated backstay antenna...by
RF induction crossing these other conductors aboard. Raise it to 5-50KW
a broadcaster runs on AM and those kinds of potentials are MOST
impressive, indeed...(c;

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Larry, I think this topic has become blurred, I am in agreement with
you ....and the fact that the backstay insulator (lower) is kept above
head level is for the purpose of avoiding the situation you mentioned,
ie. grabbing the handrail and backstay...I'm sure you're familiar with
them but I think that some people might find reading about Nicholas
Tesla's experiments using earth as a radiator interesting...

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Read it again Gary...
Pay particular attention to the part that says "There is no ground in
an RF system"
you still have not answered:
1) Is a backstay horizontal or vertical?
2) If you are using your backstay as the radiating element in your
antenna system why do you insulate it?

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"markvictor" wrote in
oups.com:

Nicholas
Tesla

Nikola. I've been fascinated with him since I was 8. I built my first
Tesla coil at 12. I built my biggest Tesla coil at 22. It was 11' tall
and produced sparks over 12' long....(c;

While touring the Smithsonian's Edison Exhibit (their "boy"), one of the
curators made the mistake of asking me what I thought of his exhibit. I
told him I found it very ironic, since the Smithsonian refuses to even
accept a bust of Tesla from a bunch of elementary students. "What's
ironic?", he asked. "This display is lighted with Tesla's flourescent
lamps, from Tesla's multiphase AC power system, using Tesla's ballasts,
transformers, alternators, high tension transmission lines and his entire
electrical system, right down to the watthour meter he invented to meter
it to you. The air conditioning and even that water cooler over there is
powered by Tesla's multiphase AC motors. Shouldn't this building be
running on DC from an Edison GENERATOR?"

He was not amused....(c;

PRICELESS...(c;

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On 18 Dec 2005 23:33:09 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

Read it again Gary...
Pay particular attention to the part that says "There is no ground in
an RF system"
you still have not answered:
1) Is a backstay horizontal or vertical?
2) If you are using your backstay as the radiating element in your
antenna system why do you insulate it?

"Read what again"? I don't know what you are referring to that has any
connection to what you are talking about. "No ground in an RF
system"?? What point are you trying to make?

Your question "is the back stay horizontal or vertical". Well you
could consider it either I suppose depending on the size of the boat.
I am not sure what your question is about but I suppose most would
consider it vertical.

"Insulating the back stay when using it as the radiating element in
your antenna system". Yes most are done that way but they don't have
to be. Didn't you read Larry's post about that?

Ever heard of a gamma match or a shunt feed system? That allows a
grounded element to be fed RF.

Regards
Gary

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Most people would be quite surprised to learn that Tesla built the
first power plant at Niagra Falls....I think Tesla was the Einstein (or
beyond) of the practical world...Question: What kind of power supply do
you use for a Tesla coil? Just curious...I remember at a school I went
to while in the Navy we had some type of a Tesla alternator that
transmitted static(?) electricity...hold a flourescent tube within
about 6 inches,it would light... I though, no big deal... then the
insructor used an incandescent lamp, and it glowed (albeit somewhat
dimmer than normal...) I was hooked..
Regards,
markvictor

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Gary,
in case you have forgotten we are talking about boats here not a Ham
shack...
regards,
markvictor

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In article .com,
"markvictor" wrote:

And the fact that your aluminum mast is gonded ...why challenge the
working parameters of your tuner? It also prevents those tingles you
refer to when someone(yes, perhaps foolishly) comes in contact with
that backstay or mast while TXing... And I'm sure you realize that
despite what anyones opinion of it might be, that plastic AT-130 is the
most common tuner in the fleet these days...and works well enough with
an INSULATED backstay and efficient counterpoise....
regards
markvictor


Looks to "Me" that this fellows MF/HF Marine Radio experience has all
been since the invention of the Marine Radio Autotuner. If he had some
experience with the old Northern N555 tuners, or any of the RF Harris
channelized Tuners, his outlook would certainly be broader. If he had
to actually learn to TUNE an open wire antenna thru a channelized tuner
as the frequency approched 1/2 Wavelength, his outlook would be
different. But hey, I for one, admit that MF/HF Communications in
Marine Radio, is on its deathbed, and has very little future in the real
world. One can't expect newbies, to learn this Art, just because it
used to be the way the world communicated back in the 20th Century.

Me

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And now we arrive in the 21st century....that is what we are talking
about, me, reality as applied to TODAY, not what was in days gone
by...And yes,truth be told,I have installed satphones with global
coverage with a price competitive with most SSB installations, however
the airtime is still cost-prohibitive...and data rates can be
astronomical...but that too will change...building Adobe huts and
living in them is becoming a lost "art" as well...
The bottom line is.You either keep up with the technology, or get left
behind..
regards,
markvictor

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"markvictor" wrote in
oups.com:

What kind of power supply do
you use for a Tesla coil?

My big tesla coil primary power supply was a 30KV 1A Xray transformer
with 230VAC heavy primary. The tank circuit was a home made capacitor
with copper plates separated by 1" thick plexiglass dielectric that
exploded many times so we went to 2" thick glass panes to stop it. The
primary coil was 32 turns of #12 wire suspended on glass posts around the
secondary with over (estimated as we lost count on the lathe) 50,000
turns of very fine enamel covered copper wire around a 4" diameter solid
glass rod, which glowed an eerie, but beautiful blue from the stress,
especially if it wasn't arcing to anything with a solid arc. The top of
the glass rod had a flange glued to it and the top had a copper threaded
rod up about 6" with a 1" brass ball screwed to the top of it. The base
of the glass rod was fit into a PVC drain pipe for support with a heavy
boiler plate base, the ground for the system.

RF was generated with carbon arc lamp rods in home made holders in the
tank circuit, which with 30KV of AC power had no problem arcing over...
(c; Our problem was power input. We only had 50A 230VAC service
available and if you got the rods too close together it would take out
the 50A breaker. The key was to get it pulling around 35-40A, unloaded,
then hold your breath as it flashed over and converted the RF load to
lightning...(c;

Everyone always wore meat cutters' stainless mesh gloves used to cut meat
with a saw to protect your hands from burns because the arc was quite
hot. Even then, you took a pretty good jolt when you became the path.
RF would also burn holes in your feet right through your sneakers, so we
lined the sneakers with tin foil to "distribute the load"...more fun.
You could stand to be the conductor for "most of the arc" for around 5
seconds before the RF heating became uncomfortable in your hand and feet.
Watching so-called safety rubber matting lighting up UNDER YOUR SHOES was
very exciting. Any kind of flourescent lamp within 100' of it would
light brightly, indeed, in your hand. The radiation field was very
intense....tearing up RF communications, I suppose, for miles in all
directions, but not too far as it had no large antenna to speak of.

Set it out in the driveway and let it arc to a lamp post or tree 10' away
will stop traffic on the street...

All in good fun. The "new" wears off after a while and I sold it to
another "coiler" for $300. The Xray transformer was worth that.

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Holy"sheet"....!

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"Gary Schafer" wrote in message
...
Ok since you are being persistent, this is how I see the antenna
getting into the mix. The guy mentioned grounding the SSB antenna and
since it doesn't seem that he is even close to being mentally
challenged, I would have taken his statement to mean he was concerned
about tying the SSB antenna ground system into the other ground
systems on the boat.
But it seems you wanted to make a big deal of his not being exactly
precise in his question. Now you come up with all sorts of off the
wall explanations of how antennas work and blame others for being
inept.

1st if you are interested, a grounded back stay can be made to work as
an efficient antenna just as well as any other type of grounded or
ungrounded antenna can. It all depends on how it is fed. But I don't
believe that was the question posed.

2nd, you can feel a little relieved as many people make the same
mistakes as you are making about how antennas radiate.
All antennas radiate all of their energy into the same "hemisphere" as
you call it. Where many make the mistake with vertical antennas is
looking at the radiation patterns drawn in many books and also some of
the old explanations of the ground as being "a mirror image" of the
vertical antenna and being the other half of it.
That is far from the truth. It was an elementary explanation of the
vertical compared to a dipoles operation but it is not how things
work.

All of the radiated power from a vertical comes from the vertical
element itself. The ground does not radiate as part of the antenna.

A dipole radiates the same amount of power as does a vertical antenna
that has the same efficiency. The radiation patterns are different
between the two types of antennas but there is no difference in total
energy radiated. A ground mounted vertical may have more ground losses
if there is an inefficient ground system for the antenna but then a
dipole also suffers from ground losses depending on how close to
ground it is mounted and its radiation pattern is also altered.

A counterpoise can be many configurations. 1/2 of a dipole antenna is
the counterpoise for the other half. Ground can be the counterpoise
for a vertical antenna. An elevated wire or set of wires can be a
counterpoise for a vertical antenna.

Regards
Gary




On 17 Dec 2005 12:32:22 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

I repeat "Read it again, Gary." the example I gave is an
illustration......read what it says and apply your thought process
instead of your reactionary ....If you did read the thread you would
know where the question developed...or perhaps you can find someone to
read it to you so you don't miss anything,since you admit in your post
that in fact you have not read it all.
And FYI, the illustration I used is derived from Ralph Holland's
Amateur Radfg 1996 ....


Well, I for one prefer the antenna "classics", such as Kraus (W8JK), Jasik,
and Terman. They include the math to back up their theory and PhD's.
Regarding HF SSB grounding, it is common practice to run 3 or 4" flat
copper/brass strap for a low impedance path for RF. Then close to the point
where the RF strap connects to the common boat ground point, to cut the
strap and bridge it with several HV ceramic disc capacitors, so RF is
conducted to ground, but not DC. This isolates the strap from the bonding
wiring. A common capacitor is type X7R Monolithic Ceramic 0.15 uF, Digi-Key
part number P4911-ND. See http://www.sailmail.com/grounds.htm Take a look at
Icom's web site under downloads and you will find an excellent reference on
RF grounding. http://www.icomamerica.com/downloads...ook/chptr8.pdf .
Other equipment manufacturers (SGC, etc. (sorry Bruce!)) have similar
articles available for download.
73
Doug K7ABX, another semi-retired senile old fart

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"Doug" wrote in news:9oXsf.3764$nu6.3074
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Regarding HF SSB grounding

Yes, good grounding is essential....

http://hawkins.pair.com/wado/wadotowrleg.jpg

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"Doug" wrote in news:9oXsf.3764$nu6.3074
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Regarding HF SSB grounding

A ham acquaintance was involved with a crazy preacher, Rev RG Stair, from
Walterboro, SC. The good Rev paid for a Canadian fishing trawler and
they installed this transmitter:
http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc/voanc07.jpg
from VOA into the fish hold amidships running off a 250KW diesel genset
welded to the main deck. Two self-supporting towers were welded to the
bow and stern. The antenna was a T cage antenna that terminated in a
feed through insulator rated at 100KV in a big hole in the hold's main
hatch over the transmitter's 600 ohm balanced output. One leg simply
open under the hatch inside the hold, the other leg going through the
insulator to the T cage outside. There was a "little RF" in the hold
because of this open wire feeder arrangement. I glowed blue when it was
lit off at 70KW output, over its rated output with all the safety
features jumpered out. AS you can see from my souvenir insulator, the
in-the-hold side that exploded right over my head, we had a little
flashover just above 40 meters...(c;


http://www.qrz.com/callsign/w4csc

The FCC confiscated it all from the good Reverend soon after the "testing
phase" and put a proud picture in the Charleston newspaper shoing the FCC
chief engineer-who-should-know-better holding a dangerous Heathkit DX-35
AM-CW 35 watt ham transmitter to the press cameras. FCC forgot to pay
Detyen's Shipyard for the crane service to remove the big transmitter,
several thousand dollars. Detyen's got even, I understand.

Great fun for a while....(c;

POWER IS OUR FRIEND!

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In article . net,
"Doug" wrote:

"Gary Schafer" wrote in message
...
Ok since you are being persistent, this is how I see the antenna
getting into the mix. The guy mentioned grounding the SSB antenna and
since it doesn't seem that he is even close to being mentally
challenged, I would have taken his statement to mean he was concerned
about tying the SSB antenna ground system into the other ground
systems on the boat.
But it seems you wanted to make a big deal of his not being exactly
precise in his question. Now you come up with all sorts of off the
wall explanations of how antennas work and blame others for being
inept.

1st if you are interested, a grounded back stay can be made to work as
an efficient antenna just as well as any other type of grounded or
ungrounded antenna can. It all depends on how it is fed. But I don't
believe that was the question posed.

2nd, you can feel a little relieved as many people make the same
mistakes as you are making about how antennas radiate.
All antennas radiate all of their energy into the same "hemisphere" as
you call it. Where many make the mistake with vertical antennas is
looking at the radiation patterns drawn in many books and also some of
the old explanations of the ground as being "a mirror image" of the
vertical antenna and being the other half of it.
That is far from the truth. It was an elementary explanation of the
vertical compared to a dipoles operation but it is not how things
work.

All of the radiated power from a vertical comes from the vertical
element itself. The ground does not radiate as part of the antenna.

A dipole radiates the same amount of power as does a vertical antenna
that has the same efficiency. The radiation patterns are different
between the two types of antennas but there is no difference in total
energy radiated. A ground mounted vertical may have more ground losses
if there is an inefficient ground system for the antenna but then a
dipole also suffers from ground losses depending on how close to
ground it is mounted and its radiation pattern is also altered.

A counterpoise can be many configurations. 1/2 of a dipole antenna is
the counterpoise for the other half. Ground can be the counterpoise
for a vertical antenna. An elevated wire or set of wires can be a
counterpoise for a vertical antenna.

Regards
Gary




On 17 Dec 2005 12:32:22 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

I repeat "Read it again, Gary." the example I gave is an
illustration......read what it says and apply your thought process
instead of your reactionary ....If you did read the thread you would
know where the question developed...or perhaps you can find someone to
read it to you so you don't miss anything,since you admit in your post
that in fact you have not read it all.
And FYI, the illustration I used is derived from Ralph Holland's
Amateur Radfg 1996 ....


Well, I for one prefer the antenna "classics", such as Kraus (W8JK), Jasik,
and Terman. They include the math to back up their theory and PhD's.
Regarding HF SSB grounding, it is common practice to run 3 or 4" flat
copper/brass strap for a low impedance path for RF. Then close to the point
where the RF strap connects to the common boat ground point, to cut the
strap and bridge it with several HV ceramic disc capacitors, so RF is
conducted to ground, but not DC. This isolates the strap from the bonding
wiring. A common capacitor is type X7R Monolithic Ceramic 0.15 uF, Digi-Key
part number P4911-ND. See http://www.sailmail.com/grounds.htm Take a look at
Icom's web site under downloads and you will find an excellent reference on
RF grounding. http://www.icomamerica.com/downloads...ook/chptr8.pdf .
Other equipment manufacturers (SGC, etc. (sorry Bruce!)) have similar
articles available for download.
73
Doug K7ABX, another semi-retired senile old fart



Hey...what ever blows your skirt......

When did you go into "semi-retirded-ment"?.....

Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age group.....



Bruce in alaska
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Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
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Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age group.....



Bruce in alaska


The rest of them are too busy out making a living....(c;

Jan 18, 2006.....I'll be 60.........DAMMIT.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
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Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age group.....



Bruce in alaska


The rest of them are too busy out making a living....(c;

Jan 18, 2006.....I'll be 60.........DAMMIT.

Just a kid...... Now from a really retired person or is it tired from
avionics and marine as well as teaching.

Leanne
USMC, ret

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:15:56 GMT, Bruce in Alaska
wrote:


73
Doug K7ABX, another semi-retired senile old fart



Hey...what ever blows your skirt......

When did you go into "semi-retirded-ment"?.....

Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age group.....



Bruce in alaska

Hi Bruce,

Yea unfortunately I am getting up there too. I just turned 60. I beat
Larry by a month. I have been kind of retired for a few years but
keep thinking about doing something. I did some marine work back in
the early 70's. That's when there were a lot of konel and Northern
radios with the manual tuners.
I remember the first job I went on to tune one of those things. After
a few minutes of trial and error swapping caps and coil taps I started
to calculate what type circuit was needed, hooked it up that way and
it worked. The guy that was "showing me the ropes" couldn't believe
that you could quickly figure out the circuit and values needed to get
close without just blind trial and error.

Oh well, you know that goes back aways.

Regards
Gary

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Gary Schafer wrote in
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The guy that was "showing me the ropes" couldn't believe
that you could quickly figure out the circuit and values needed to get
close without just blind trial and error.



I believe the correct term for that is "smartass", right?...(c;

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:10:21 -0500, "Leanne" wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
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Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
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Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age group.....



Bruce in alaska


The rest of them are too busy out making a living....(c;

Jan 18, 2006.....I'll be 60.........DAMMIT.

Just a kid...... Now from a really retired person or is it tired from
avionics and marine as well as teaching.

Leanne
USMC, ret

Simper Fi, Mac-ette!
Mark E. Williams

More Breaker Panel Mess
 

"Leanne" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:

Geeeze we got a crowd of Old Gezzzer'a hang'en out here. You, "Me",
Lynn, Larry.... I have often wondered if Gary was in our age
group.....



Bruce in alaska


The rest of them are too busy out making a living....(c;

Jan 18, 2006.....I'll be 60.........DAMMIT.

Just a kid...... Now from a really retired person or is it tired from
avionics and marine as well as teaching.

Leanne
USMC, ret

Wow! If I was 60 again!
Lynn, USAF, Ret.,(26 years); 2nd career 20 years marine electronics; 3rd
career (10 years and humming) as dreamer and would-be gardener, woodturner,
solar hot water expert and when I get some time expect to finish the guitar
and learn to pick. Don't look back Elvis!