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Biffom April 21st 04 06:03 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.

Rusty O April 21st 04 08:10 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
What's an M810? Icom makes a 710 and an 802 but I've never heard of an 810.

Rusty O



Biffom April 22nd 04 02:59 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
It's similar to the 802 - but an earlier version. I must admit to
being somewhat baffled by ICOM's model numbering policy.

I found a post on how to open up the ham bands for the 802
unfortunately it doesn't work for the 810.

Doug Dotson April 22nd 04 06:41 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Any ICOM dealer can do the mod for you. Last I
recall it costs maybe $75.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.




Jim Foros April 23rd 04 01:09 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Do you have a valid amateur radio license to use it that way?
"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.




Doug Dotson April 23rd 04 02:18 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Doesn't matter. All rules are suspended in an emergency. Having
a ham enabled rig on board is a good idea even if one does not
have a ham license. Much better chance of reaching a ham than
anyone on Marine SSB in an emergency,

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Jim Foros" wrote in message
.net...
Do you have a valid amateur radio license to use it that way?
"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.






Biffom April 23rd 04 03:07 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Scott Malcom of MTS very graciously supplied me with a PDF of the
instructions to open up the ham bands on the ICOM 800 and 810 models.
This required the snipping of three wires and was a ten minute job. I
can confirm that this worked for me.

Many thanks Scott.

Carl.

Doug Dotson April 23rd 04 04:38 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
I'm not familiar with the 810. Must be very old. I have an M710
and all it required is to download a software upgrade into the
rig. No snipping of jumper or diodes.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
Scott Malcom of MTS very graciously supplied me with a PDF of the
instructions to open up the ham bands on the ICOM 800 and 810 models.
This required the snipping of three wires and was a ten minute job. I
can confirm that this worked for me.

Many thanks Scott.

Carl.




Biffom April 23rd 04 08:28 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Jim,

I have a valid license.

An interesting aside is that the antenna tuner (in my case an at130)
needs to briefly transmit in order to tune to the correct frequency.
This brief transmission (activated when the tune button is depressed)
was also blocked. So even though it's legal to listen on these bands
you can never tune the antenna.

Carl.


"Jim Foros" wrote in message v.net...
Do you have a valid amateur radio license to use it that way?
"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.


Doug Dotson April 23rd 04 06:28 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
But only outputs a few milliwatts when tuning I believe. But
you do still need a valid license to work QRP.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista

"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
Jim,

I have a valid license.

An interesting aside is that the antenna tuner (in my case an at130)
needs to briefly transmit in order to tune to the correct frequency.
This brief transmission (activated when the tune button is depressed)
was also blocked. So even though it's legal to listen on these bands
you can never tune the antenna.

Carl.


"Jim Foros" wrote in message

v.net...
Do you have a valid amateur radio license to use it that way?
"Biffom" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking for any info as to how I can have my ICOM m810 radio
opened up to allow access to the ham bands.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Carl.




Bruce in Alaska April 24th 04 07:46 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
In article ,
"Doug Dotson" wrote:

But only outputs a few milliwatts when tuning I believe. But
you do still need a valid license to work QRP.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista


Autotuners need about 3 to 5 watts of RF at the input to the tuner
for the internal Phase and Power Sensing Systems to operate
correctly.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Larry W4CSC April 24th 04 08:38 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

Doesn't matter. All rules are suspended in an emergency. Having
a ham enabled rig on board is a good idea even if one does not
have a ham license. Much better chance of reaching a ham than
anyone on Marine SSB in an emergency,

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista


You can even run more than 25W on VHF to get over the noise of Bubba's
Marina parking boats running 25W from his 90' tower, in an emergency. My
boats have all had a 160W linear amp, made for 2 meters but broadbanded, in
them for years....

Marinas should all be limited to 1/2 watt from an antenna no taller than
the top of the fuel dock house.....dammit....


Larry W4CSC April 24th 04 08:48 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
(Biffom) wrote in
om:

Jim,

I have a valid license.

An interesting aside is that the antenna tuner (in my case an at130)
needs to briefly transmit in order to tune to the correct frequency.
This brief transmission (activated when the tune button is depressed)
was also blocked. So even though it's legal to listen on these bands
you can never tune the antenna.

Carl.

Callsign:
KG6TOU Class: Technician Codes: HAI USA
Name:
Carl S Midson
Addr1:
4712 Admiralty Way 151
Addr2:
Marina Del Rey, CA 90292

(I bet Carl DOESN'T live in a trailer park.)

Country:
USA
Effective:
26 Jan 2004 Expires: 26 Jan 2014
FRN:0010270429

Is this you, Carl? If it is, you're gonna have to UPGRADE that
Technician's license before you get on HF....(c;

Congratulations, by the way, on passing your test! I've been a ham since I
was 11 in...well, er, ah...1957. Hope you have half as much fun on ham
radio as I have in the last 47 years. I was the FIRST ham to legally
transmit the ASCII code the instant it was legalized in the 4th call area.

73, Larry W4CharlestonSouthCarolina
(aka WN2IWH, WB4THE, KN4IM...all fine old calls)

Just for info, anyone can find a hams information from the FCC or the
website
www.qrz.com. It's pub-lick. If you go to:
http://www.qrz.com/detail/KG6TOU
you can even get the map to Carl's house, and his coordinates for your GPS!
Set a waypoint and surprise him some day!...(c;


Larry W4CSC April 24th 04 08:49 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:

In article ,
"Doug Dotson" wrote:

But only outputs a few milliwatts when tuning I believe. But
you do still need a valid license to work QRP.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista


Autotuners need about 3 to 5 watts of RF at the input to the tuner
for the internal Phase and Power Sensing Systems to operate
correctly.

Tuners get all excited if you tune them up at a kilowatt....(c;

Larry W4CSC

Glenn Ashmore April 24th 04 09:47 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 


Larry W4CSC wrote:

73, Larry W4CharlestonSouthCarolina
(aka WN2IWH, WB4THE, KN4IM...all fine old calls)


How many years did you sit around waiting for the old W4CSC to die off? :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com


Doug Dotson April 24th 04 10:59 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
I almost bought a 100W amp for marine VHF when I was in the
Bahamas. They are legal there but they wants way too much money
for it. Didn't seem to have a RX preamp so it seemed to me that
talking to folks that I couldn't hear wasn't worth it

Doug
s/v Callista

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

Doesn't matter. All rules are suspended in an emergency. Having
a ham enabled rig on board is a good idea even if one does not
have a ham license. Much better chance of reaching a ham than
anyone on Marine SSB in an emergency,

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista


You can even run more than 25W on VHF to get over the noise of Bubba's
Marina parking boats running 25W from his 90' tower, in an emergency. My
boats have all had a 160W linear amp, made for 2 meters but broadbanded,

in
them for years....

Marinas should all be limited to 1/2 watt from an antenna no taller than
the top of the fuel dock house.....dammit....




Larry W4CSC April 25th 04 04:13 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Glenn Ashmore wrote in
news:7oAic.14111$uF3.1695@lakeread04:



Larry W4CSC wrote:

73, Larry W4CharlestonSouthCarolina
(aka WN2IWH, WB4THE, KN4IM...all fine old calls)


How many years did you sit around waiting for the old W4CSC to die
off? :-)


None, really. I was looking for a call to replace the FCC-generated AWFUL
KN4IM. No more calls with N and/or M in them! Way too confusing on the
air. WCSC is Channel 5 TV, here and I have a friend who works there. I
thought it was neat that it was open. My other choice that was open wasn't
an old-time W4 call, but N4SEX, which is also very neat. Well, I got the
best one, Charleston's call....or Clemson or Conway or Cainhoy or Camden or
Clinton, SC...(c; I had a nice golf shirt made up with W4CSC done in the
same letter font as WCSC uses before the ham club was invited to tour the
new WCSC broadcast facility and watch the local newscast live from behind
the cameras. Everyone at the station got a big kick out of my shirt.

I've been meaning to go take a nice picture of the front of the WCSC new
building with the bottom of the big, widebase, radar tower looming over it.
I want to morph a 4 into the WCSC over the front door and have that picture
made up into color QSL cards like it's my ham station...(c; One of many
projects that hasn't been completed....

Larry W4CSC

The original W4CSC died 4 YEARS before I applied for the call. There's
lots of fine old 1X3 original ham calls looking for a new home. I wouldn't
trade it for A4A or W4A or W4DX, those fakey new calls....



Bruce in Alaska April 25th 04 06:31 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:

In article ,
"Doug Dotson" wrote:

But only outputs a few milliwatts when tuning I believe. But
you do still need a valid license to work QRP.

Doug, k3qt
s/v Callista


Autotuners need about 3 to 5 watts of RF at the input to the tuner
for the internal Phase and Power Sensing Systems to operate
correctly.

Tuners get all excited if you tune them up at a kilowatt....(c;

Larry W4CSC


Yep, if you do that, the "Magic Smoke" comes out and they don't
work right anymore. It isn't easy to put the smoke back in either.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Larry W4CSC April 27th 04 03:11 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:


Yep, if you do that, the "Magic Smoke" comes out and they don't
work right anymore. It isn't easy to put the smoke back in either.


Bruce in alaska


I have never seen anyone successful at pumping the "Magic Smoke" back into
any electronic component or cabinet, however many have tried in vain....(c;

"Magic Smoke" is much more impressive in transmitters over 10 KW, don't you
agree?

Larry
POWER IS OUR FRIEND!

Bruce in Alaska April 27th 04 06:53 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:


Yep, if you do that, the "Magic Smoke" comes out and they don't
work right anymore. It isn't easy to put the smoke back in either.


Bruce in alaska


I have never seen anyone successful at pumping the "Magic Smoke" back into
any electronic component or cabinet, however many have tried in vain....(c;

"Magic Smoke" is much more impressive in transmitters over 10 KW, don't you
agree?

Larry
POWER IS OUR FRIEND!


Had a Gates 15Kw FM take a dump, from over the hill Power Tubes going
flat at 2AM in the snow. Back of the Cabinet was outside building with
the front inside. When I arrived, with the consulting engineer, we found
"Smoking Holes in the snow" where the final parts had been thrown, and
melted down thru the snow. This was a NON-Profit, noncommercial, that
used handmedown finals from the local Tv Station Modulator, and when they
went south they did it in an "Exlosive" fashion. It took us 6 hours to
rebuild all the "Plumbing" and get back on the air with the next set of
"Overtime Tubes". One of my many "Broadcast Stories" from when I was a
kid.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Larry W4CSC April 27th 04 09:52 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Bruce in Alaska wrote in
:


Had a Gates 15Kw FM take a dump, from over the hill Power Tubes going
flat at 2AM in the snow. Back of the Cabinet was outside building
with the front inside. When I arrived, with the consulting engineer,
we found "Smoking Holes in the snow" where the final parts had been
thrown, and melted down thru the snow. This was a NON-Profit,
noncommercial, that used handmedown finals from the local Tv Station
Modulator, and when they went south they did it in an "Exlosive"
fashion. It took us 6 hours to rebuild all the "Plumbing" and get
back on the air with the next set of "Overtime Tubes". One of my
many "Broadcast Stories" from when I was a kid.


Bruce in alaska


One of my friends, and a great RF technician, just took a job with the
local Fox UHF station, the most powerful (5MW ERP) broadcast transmitter in
SC. It's a big RCA with two 8' tall boiler klystrons putting out something
like 180KW into 6" rigid up the tower with the usual diplexer. They "run
it until it blows" because the klystrons are amazingly expensive, something
like 30 Grand each. The tubes they have are all WAY over their MTBF hours
and they keep cranking up juice on them to keep them within output
tolerance.

I don't wanna be anywhere near the beasts when the focus magnets finally
open and the beam through the cavities at 25KV at 10 amps
comes.....well.....unfocused on the copper block collector....(c;

Larry

He's already experienced some amazing flashovers and brought me some
souvenir ceramic insulators from the big power supply....(c;

Doug April 28th 04 01:08 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
I have had a tour of the transmitters and antennas at US Navy transmitter
site at Cutler, Maine where they run up to 3 MW output power at 17.6 KHz.
They replace elements in the tubes and pump the vacuum back down. The helix
coils at the antenna feed are massive. When ice starts to load down an
antenna array, they put AC power through the antenna to ground so the
antenna wire heats up and sheds ice.
Doug K7ABX

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
Bruce in Alaska wrote in
:


Had a Gates 15Kw FM take a dump, from over the hill Power Tubes going
flat at 2AM in the snow. Back of the Cabinet was outside building
with the front inside. When I arrived, with the consulting engineer,
we found "Smoking Holes in the snow" where the final parts had been
thrown, and melted down thru the snow. This was a NON-Profit,
noncommercial, that used handmedown finals from the local Tv Station
Modulator, and when they went south they did it in an "Exlosive"
fashion. It took us 6 hours to rebuild all the "Plumbing" and get
back on the air with the next set of "Overtime Tubes". One of my
many "Broadcast Stories" from when I was a kid.


Bruce in alaska


One of my friends, and a great RF technician, just took a job with the
local Fox UHF station, the most powerful (5MW ERP) broadcast transmitter

in
SC. It's a big RCA with two 8' tall boiler klystrons putting out

something
like 180KW into 6" rigid up the tower with the usual diplexer. They "run
it until it blows" because the klystrons are amazingly expensive,

something
like 30 Grand each. The tubes they have are all WAY over their MTBF hours
and they keep cranking up juice on them to keep them within output
tolerance.

I don't wanna be anywhere near the beasts when the focus magnets finally
open and the beam through the cavities at 25KV at 10 amps
comes.....well.....unfocused on the copper block collector....(c;

Larry

He's already experienced some amazing flashovers and brought me some
souvenir ceramic insulators from the big power supply....(c;




Larry W4CSC April 28th 04 02:03 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
"Doug" wrote in
ink.net:

I have had a tour of the transmitters and antennas at US Navy
transmitter site at Cutler, Maine where they run up to 3 MW output
power at 17.6 KHz. They replace elements in the tubes and pump the
vacuum back down. The helix coils at the antenna feed are massive.
When ice starts to load down an antenna array, they put AC power
through the antenna to ground so the antenna wire heats up and sheds
ice. Doug K7ABX


If you are ever near Ft Collins, Colorado, go bang on the front door of
NIST's WWV time stations, the frequency and time references for the world.
Those guys love to take techie touristas on a nickel tour of the plant.
WWVB on 60 Khz isn't as exciting as it was in the old days when they had
the massive antennas, though. Their 60 Khz antennas are more modern now
and don't flashover near as excitingly as they once did.
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwvb.htm
No, Gary, they don't have 1250 meter towers, which is the ELECTRICAL length
of 60 Khz 1/4 wave. They use loading so the electrical length is 5000
meters on towers with a PHYSICAL length of only 125 meters. The capacitor
hat is HUGE! They use three 38KW transmitters to get 50KW ERP from 3
phased antennas with about 57% efficiency. This greatly reduces the
electrical stresses on very high powered helix houses like Cutler's.

Hee hee....we should send Gary Shafer to Cutler so he can learn about the
electrical length of an antenna being different from the physical length of
an antenna with loading coils and capacitor hats....(c; The electrical
length at that freq is a hair over 5 miles for a simple dipole...(c;

You should see the rhombic antennas at NW Cape, Australia the Navy has run
for years near Canarvon. The locals are so afraid of the flashovers they
won't go anywhere near them!...(c;

Larry W4CSC
POWER IS OUR FRIEND!

Gary Schafer April 28th 04 05:04 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:03:51 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

"Doug" wrote in
link.net:

I have had a tour of the transmitters and antennas at US Navy
transmitter site at Cutler, Maine where they run up to 3 MW output
power at 17.6 KHz. They replace elements in the tubes and pump the
vacuum back down. The helix coils at the antenna feed are massive.
When ice starts to load down an antenna array, they put AC power
through the antenna to ground so the antenna wire heats up and sheds
ice. Doug K7ABX


If you are ever near Ft Collins, Colorado, go bang on the front door of
NIST's WWV time stations, the frequency and time references for the world.
Those guys love to take techie touristas on a nickel tour of the plant.
WWVB on 60 Khz isn't as exciting as it was in the old days when they had
the massive antennas, though. Their 60 Khz antennas are more modern now
and don't flashover near as excitingly as they once did.
http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwvb.htm
No, Gary, they don't have 1250 meter towers, which is the ELECTRICAL length
of 60 Khz 1/4 wave. They use loading so the electrical length is 5000
meters on towers with a PHYSICAL length of only 125 meters. The capacitor
hat is HUGE! They use three 38KW transmitters to get 50KW ERP from 3
phased antennas with about 57% efficiency. This greatly reduces the
electrical stresses on very high powered helix houses like Cutler's.

Hee hee....we should send Gary Shafer to Cutler so he can learn about the
electrical length of an antenna being different from the physical length of
an antenna with loading coils and capacitor hats....(c; The electrical
length at that freq is a hair over 5 miles for a simple dipole...(c;

You should see the rhombic antennas at NW Cape, Australia the Navy has run
for years near Canarvon. The locals are so afraid of the flashovers they
won't go anywhere near them!...(c;

Larry W4CSC
POWER IS OUR FRIEND!



I see you still haven't read any basic AC theory yet.

Ask them what the radiation resistance of those antennas are. :)

No Larry, the coil still doesn't tune the antenna or make it any
longer. It just cancels out the reactance of the antenna.

Regards
Gary Who is still trying to get Larry to open a book.

Doug April 28th 04 07:38 PM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
Larry,
The US Navy pulled out of NW Cape years ago. It is manned entirely by
Australian forces since about 1980. The US techs there took a lot of teasing
about being replaced by Australian females. NW Cape was on of our
terminating points when I was on Diego Garcia in 1979-80. Great DX as VQ9DM.
Doug K7ABX
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
"Doug" wrote in
ink.net:

You should see the rhombic antennas at NW Cape, Australia the Navy has run
for years near Canarvon. The locals are so afraid of the flashovers they
won't go anywhere near them!...(c;

Larry W4CSC
POWER IS OUR FRIEND!




Larry W4CSC April 29th 04 04:40 AM

ICOM m810 open up for ham bands?
 
"Doug" wrote in
link.net:

Larry,
The US Navy pulled out of NW Cape years ago. It is manned entirely by
Australian forces since about 1980. The US techs there took a lot of
teasing about being replaced by Australian females. NW Cape was on of
our terminating points when I was on Diego Garcia in 1979-80. Great DX
as VQ9DM. Doug K7ABX


Oh, oh....I've exposed my age, again....hee hee.

Most of the sailors were glad to go home....(c;



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