Steel hull - electrical ground
 

I think I said that, two paragraphs further along. I guess I assume
that on a post with a lot of techincal content, that the reader will
wade through the whole thing before going out and spending money.

Jim


Jim wrote in message ...
Jim Woodward wrote:
Lee:
snip
However, the good news is that any transformer is an isolation
transformer for our purposes --
snip

This is not correct. An autotransformer has a single winding and does
not provide isolation.
Jim

Steel hull - electrical ground
 

Jim,

Thanks for all the information, leads, and offers. At this point, I
do not have enough knowledge to make any kind of informed choice
regarding an isolation transformer. Can you direct me to a source
where I can read and learn more of what I need to know?

Lee Huddleston

Steel hull - electrical ground
 

AFAIK, there is only one that meets the ABYC specs, & that is made by
Charles Industries (www.charlesindustries.com). Something about
isolaitng the ground as well as the conductors.

Michael Porter



(Lee Huddleston) wrote:



Jim,

Would you have a recommendation for an isolation transformer? The
only one that I have found so far ate up a lot of the power before it
could get into the boat. That seemed strange to me, but maybe I was
reading the specs incorrectly. Also the price seemed to be very high.
Of course, protecting my beloved boat from galvanic corrosion is
probably worth a lot if that is what is necessary.

By the way, you mentioned DC and AC ground fault alarms. Who makes
them and are they available to private individuals?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Lee

Michael Porter Naval Architect / Boatbuilder
mporter at mp-marine dot com
www.mp-marine.com

Steel hull - electrical ground
 

First the usual CYA stuff -- electricity can be dangerous in a whole
variety of ways. If you don't understand it, hire an expert. There's
a lot of good information available on the web, including here, but
good electrical practice finally comes down to details that you need
to do because you've learned, somewhere, to do them right. And BTW, a
boat is not a house, so a license to do wiring ashore says nothing
about a person's skills in wiring boats.

With that said, an isolation transformer is a pretty simple device --
two wires in and two wires out -- although there are often a lot more
leads than two, as they can usually be connected for different or
multiple voltages. Figuring out the leads is like figuring out how to
wire a 120/240VAC motor -- it's just cookbook and often there's a
diagram. If not, we have ways....

I usually refer people to Nigel Calder's Boatowner's Mechanical and
Electrical Manual for all mechanical and electrical stuff -- in this
case there's a diagram and a couple of paragraphs.

This is not a bad little piece on the subject:
http://www.smpstech.com/qa/qa0002.htm

This has more than any ordinary mortal needs to know, but a number of
details can be picked out if you're strong enough to ingnore the heavy
math.
http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/transfor.htm

Aside from actually connecting the thing, the only other issue is
sizing. Generally, if you plug into a standard 30A 120V shore outlet,
you'll want a 3.6kw transformer (30x120 ~=~ 3.6kw). Larger won't hurt
(other than being heavier) within broad limits. Smaller is OK, too,
provided you put a circuit breaker on the shore side of the
transformer that is the same rating as the transformer. Of course,
smaller means you can't run as much stuff....

If you have a larger boat and regularly use 240VAC, then you can run
50A 240 from standard marina outlets, but this takes a 12kw
transformer, which is starting to get heavy and pricey.

Don't forget, it's got to mounted somewhere that can stand a big
weight, is dry, and won't get too hot with a couple of hundred watts
being thrown off. It may hum a little, so you won't want it as a
pillow.

Jim Woodward
www.mvFintry.com

(Lee Huddleston) wrote in message . ..
Jim,

Thanks for all the information, leads, and offers. At this point, I
do not have enough knowledge to make any kind of informed choice
regarding an isolation transformer. Can you direct me to a source
where I can read and learn more of what I need to know?

Lee Huddleston

Steel hull - electrical ground
 

I usually refer people to Nigel Calder's Boatowner's Mechanical and
Electrical Manual for all mechanical and electrical stuff -- in this
case there's a diagram and a couple of paragraphs.

I have the Nigel Calder book and have almost committed it to memory.
That is what caused me to want an isolation transformer in the first
place.

This is not a bad little piece on the subject:
http://www.smpstech.com/qa/qa0002.htm

Yes, it does give some good information.

This has more than any ordinary mortal needs to know, but a number of
details can be picked out if you're strong enough to ingnore the heavy
math.
http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/transfor.htm

Wow! "Ask and ye shall receive." Thanks. I will reread this
material until I think that I understand most of it. If I can do
that, I doubt that there will be much about transformers that I will
not know.

Aside from actually connecting the thing, the only other issue is
sizing. Generally, if you plug into a standard 30A 120V shore outlet,
you'll want a 3.6kw transformer (30x120 ~=~ 3.6kw).

The smallest isolation transformer made by Charles Industries,
recommended in the next post, just happens to be their 3.6kw
transformer. Looks like a good lead.

Thank you very much for all your help.

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

Steel hull - electrical ground
 

AFAIK, there is only one that meets the ABYC specs, & that is made by
Charles Industries (www.charlesindustries.com). Something about
isolaitng the ground as well as the conductors.

Michael Porter


Michael,

Thanks for the lead. The smallest Charles Industries transformer is
just the size that Jim Woodward recommends. Looks like a good
possibility.

BTW, I could not figure out how to find the price on the transformer.
Have I just overlooked it on the web site or will I just need to give
them a call?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

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Miracle of miracles -- something that is "Marine" and not triple the
price. I found it at http://www.cyber-marine.com/ at $679 for the
3.6kva rating.

Thanks, Michael -- I wasn't aware of this brand.

And, BTW Michael, we talked at the Maine Boatbuilders' Show three
years ago -- you sent me a CAD file of a design of yours. Thank you
for that conversation, as it was one of many that eventually ended up
with our buying Fintry.


Jim Woodward
www.mvFintry.com




(Lee Huddleston) wrote in message . ..

AFAIK, there is only one that meets the ABYC specs, & that is made by
Charles Industries (www.charlesindustries.com). Something about
isolaitng the ground as well as the conductors.

Michael Porter


Michael,

Thanks for the lead. The smallest Charles Industries transformer is
just the size that Jim Woodward recommends. Looks like a good
possibility.

BTW, I could not figure out how to find the price on the transformer.
Have I just overlooked it on the web site or will I just need to give
them a call?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove