Hi, A year ago, I bought a LCD TV which tunes analog and digital
channels. I first tried to use the VHF masthead whip as an antenna
with poor results, same with rabbit ears. I made a horizontal wire
loop out of a bucket lid and a twin lead to coax transformer to hang
in the rig. I noticed that when swinging at anchor, the motion of the
boat caused the digital channels to freeze or glitch with pixelation
and audio squawks. I would then switch to the analog channel and put
up with the inferior quality.

Realizing that the time was rapidly approaching when I would not be
able to continue viewing by going analog, I decided to buy an
amplified antenna to hang in the rig. I chose a winegard ms2000 omni
which has a fairly large 21 inch saucer, a 3 watt power injector, was
supposed to come with 50' of RG 6. It arrived and I installed it. It
came with RG 59 and cheap F connectors, so I didn't use that. I flew
it and the reception was not quite as good as my home made passive
loop. I changed out coax, unplugged the power injector, and
determined that the cable was good and the amp was functioning.

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:59:00 -0800 (PST), Larryr
wrote in
:

Hi, A year ago, I bought a LCD TV which tunes analog and digital
channels. I first tried to use the VHF masthead whip as an antenna
with poor results, same with rabbit ears. I made a horizontal wire
loop out of a bucket lid and a twin lead to coax transformer to hang
in the rig. I noticed that when swinging at anchor, the motion of the
boat caused the digital channels to freeze or glitch with pixelation
and audio squawks. I would then switch to the analog channel and put
up with the inferior quality.

Realizing that the time was rapidly approaching when I would not be
able to continue viewing by going analog, I decided to buy an
amplified antenna to hang in the rig. I chose a winegard ms2000 omni
which has a fairly large 21 inch saucer, a 3 watt power injector, was
supposed to come with 50' of RG 6. It arrived and I installed it. It
came with RG 59 and cheap F connectors, so I didn't use that. I flew
it and the reception was not quite as good as my home made passive
loop. I changed out coax, unplugged the power injector, and
determined that the cable was good and the amp was functioning.

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.

Winegard MS-2000 is the best reviewed outdoor omni I know of:
http://www.summitsource.com/product_info.php?ref=1&products_id=4573

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

Larryr wrote in news:ea1fdcdd-3aa2-4708-92c0-
:

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.


The lawyers at the FCC, determined to sell off as much of the public's
airwaves as possible to line their pockets, have chased most of the VHF
stations into the UHF band where multipath reflections are just
terrible.

Digital TV uses a very fast stream of data to render the high definition
pictures the public demands that flickers less than the old system, so
the data streams are very intense. You come along and get the main data
stream coming at your all-around, non-directional antenna PLUS a couple
of hundred OTHER data streams bouncing off tall buildings, mountains,
bridges, other towers, the hotel whorehouse on the beach and EVERY
airplane aluminum cloud that passes overhead landing at the airport.

The old UHF TV was almost unwatchable with all these late-arriving
reflected signals we called "ghosts". The solution was a DIRECTIONAL
antenna that only listened in ONE, very narrow, direction so it wouldn't
pick up the ghosts so bad as an omnidirectional did. The picture got
clearer and you were happy. Those days are ovah!

The computer now sees the main data stream and a bunch of weak then
strong then weak then strong secondary data streams, which in the old
days were those ghosts fading in and out to the right of the main
picture (because the sweep was left to right like reading a book). But,
now, the computer starts to receive, every so often, TWO channels with
the same picture data on them....the main stream coming in directly PLUS
another stream from the reflection off the "Honeymoon Hotel" out on the
beach sticking up. The computer has a very complex error correcting
algorithm which can detect the right stream to render....UP TO A
POINT....when the reflected stream is nearly as powerful as the main
stream. Now confused by the two strong signals it's reading
simultaneously, the computer and its algorithm become swamped, which
causes it to stop trying to render either. Your picture pixelates into
the squares the picture is made up of, finally locking or only decoding
a pixel square or two every scan. The "good" tv lock up and blank so
you can't see ATSC's dirty little secret.....it can't handle multipath
signals changing in phase too rapidly. It can't handle a moving TV at
all!

The solution is Direct TV, but I know you didn't want to hear that.

The lawyers at the FCC, determined to sell off as much of the public's
airwaves as possible to line their pockets, have chased most of the VHF
stations into the UHF band where multipath reflections are just
terrible.

Bull****. Stations use UHF because the VHF space was already crowded. They
can move back to VHF after the cut-off.

"Bill Kearney" wrote in
t:

Bull****. Stations use UHF because the VHF space was already crowded.
They can move back to VHF after the cut-off.





Either the channel space 2-6 or 7-13, probably the latter, will be in
the next round of auctions after the FCC lawyers run the licensees off
it.

Charleston TV was 2,4,5 and ETV on 7 since TV was introduced. All these
channels are on high UHF and the picture locks on my Philips UHF panel
antenna at 30' over the roof every time it rains. The picture locks
when the C-17 aluminum cloud flies anywhere near me. It's a horrible TV
system I bet the cable companies had their corrupt little hands into
foisting on us...just another nail in the over-the-air coffins.

2,4 and 5, the main network channels had good VHF coverage all the way
to Augusta, the US 601 ridgeback that goes through Orangeburg, SC, up
across the lakes to nearly Florence and Myrtle Beach. FCC has solved
that problem. They barely can make Summerville, now, on digital with a
million watts on upper UHF. Cable operators got what they wanted.....

Larry wrote:
"Bill Kearney" wrote in
t:

Bull****. Stations use UHF because the VHF space was already crowded.
They can move back to VHF after the cut-off.





Either the channel space 2-6 or 7-13, probably the latter, will be in
the next round of auctions after the FCC lawyers run the licensees off
it.

Charleston TV was 2,4,5 and ETV on 7 since TV was introduced. All these
channels are on high UHF and the picture locks on my Philips UHF panel
antenna at 30' over the roof every time it rains. The picture locks
when the C-17 aluminum cloud flies anywhere near me. It's a horrible TV
system I bet the cable companies had their corrupt little hands into
foisting on us...just another nail in the over-the-air coffins.

2,4 and 5, the main network channels had good VHF coverage all the way
to Augusta, the US 601 ridgeback that goes through Orangeburg, SC, up
across the lakes to nearly Florence and Myrtle Beach. FCC has solved
that problem. They barely can make Summerville, now, on digital with a
million watts on upper UHF. Cable operators got what they wanted.....



Happy Holidays, Larry...and I hope you have a healthy 2009

HK (from wrecked.boats, the former boating newsgroup)

Boater wrote in news:6ro0hcF2iepgU2
@mid.individual.net:

Happy Holidays, Larry...and I hope you have a healthy 2009

HK (from wrecked.boats, the former boating newsgroup)



Same to you, Harry. Long time no type! You must really be appreciating
the recent oil prices in that power boat.

Happy New Year to all!

In article , Larryr wrote:
Hi, A year ago, I bought a LCD TV which tunes analog and digital
channels. I first tried to use the VHF masthead whip as an antenna
with poor results, same with rabbit ears. I made a horizontal wire
loop out of a bucket lid and a twin lead to coax transformer to hang
in the rig. I noticed that when swinging at anchor, the motion of the
boat caused the digital channels to freeze or glitch with pixelation
and audio squawks. I would then switch to the analog channel and put
up with the inferior quality.

Realizing that the time was rapidly approaching when I would not be
able to continue viewing by going analog, I decided to buy an
amplified antenna to hang in the rig. I chose a winegard ms2000 omni
which has a fairly large 21 inch saucer, a 3 watt power injector, was
supposed to come with 50' of RG 6. It arrived and I installed it. It
came with RG 59 and cheap F connectors, so I didn't use that. I flew
it and the reception was not quite as good as my home made passive
loop. I changed out coax, unplugged the power injector, and
determined that the cable was good and the amp was functioning.

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.

I never tried swinging an antenna ! I bought a RCA omni some time ago and
it has a amplifier, but the selection switch on the control makes no
difference in high/low band reception. I suspect something faulty.
Well Tandy used to sell the best little antenna that had a motorized
dipole type system inside a thin round case. That was NOT sold at Radio Shack
that I know of. JC Whitney had them, but its long gone. The best system
would be a home made one with amplification and directionality of
some sort, either phasing or motorization.

greg

In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article ,
Larryr wrote:
Hi, A year ago, I bought a LCD TV which tunes analog and digital
channels. I first tried to use the VHF masthead whip as an antenna
with poor results, same with rabbit ears. I made a horizontal wire
loop out of a bucket lid and a twin lead to coax transformer to hang
in the rig. I noticed that when swinging at anchor, the motion of the
boat caused the digital channels to freeze or glitch with pixelation
and audio squawks. I would then switch to the analog channel and put
up with the inferior quality.

Realizing that the time was rapidly approaching when I would not be
able to continue viewing by going analog, I decided to buy an
amplified antenna to hang in the rig. I chose a winegard ms2000 omni
which has a fairly large 21 inch saucer, a 3 watt power injector, was
supposed to come with 50' of RG 6. It arrived and I installed it. It
came with RG 59 and cheap F connectors, so I didn't use that. I flew
it and the reception was not quite as good as my home made passive
loop. I changed out coax, unplugged the power injector, and
determined that the cable was good and the amp was functioning.

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.

I never tried swinging an antenna ! I bought a RCA omni some time ago and
it has a amplifier, but the selection switch on the control makes no
difference in high/low band reception. I suspect something faulty.
Well Tandy used to sell the best little antenna that had a motorized
dipole type system inside a thin round case. That was NOT sold at Radio Shack
that I know of. JC Whitney had them, but its long gone. The best system
would be a home made one with amplification and directionality of
some sort, either phasing or motorization.

greg

I guess you could also rotate one of those sticks with a rotator.
greg

In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article ,
(GregS) wrote:
In article ,
Larryr wrote:
Hi, A year ago, I bought a LCD TV which tunes analog and digital
channels. I first tried to use the VHF masthead whip as an antenna
with poor results, same with rabbit ears. I made a horizontal wire
loop out of a bucket lid and a twin lead to coax transformer to hang
in the rig. I noticed that when swinging at anchor, the motion of the
boat caused the digital channels to freeze or glitch with pixelation
and audio squawks. I would then switch to the analog channel and put
up with the inferior quality.

Realizing that the time was rapidly approaching when I would not be
able to continue viewing by going analog, I decided to buy an
amplified antenna to hang in the rig. I chose a winegard ms2000 omni
which has a fairly large 21 inch saucer, a 3 watt power injector, was
supposed to come with 50' of RG 6. It arrived and I installed it. It
came with RG 59 and cheap F connectors, so I didn't use that. I flew
it and the reception was not quite as good as my home made passive
loop. I changed out coax, unplugged the power injector, and
determined that the cable was good and the amp was functioning.

So, I am very dissatisfied with this unit's performance. I am looking
for suggestions as to how to improve my drop out situation while
swinging on the hook. It should be omni directional, i think. I
understand that digital's phase sensitivity to movement is much
greater than analog. Any Ideas? Not interested in servo gyro type
stuff.

I never tried swinging an antenna ! I bought a RCA omni some time ago and
it has a amplifier, but the selection switch on the control makes no
difference in high/low band reception. I suspect something faulty.
Well Tandy used to sell the best little antenna that had a motorized
dipole type system inside a thin round case. That was NOT sold at Radio Shack
that I know of. JC Whitney had them, but its long gone. The best system
would be a home made one with amplification and directionality of
some sort, either phasing or motorization.

greg

I guess you could also rotate one of those sticks with a rotator.
greg



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