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Alarmists Still Heated Even As World Cools INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted 11/4/2008 Climate Change: It's been a bad year for global warming alarmists. Record cold periods and snowfalls are occurring around the globe. The hell that the radicals have promised is freezing over. As the British House of Commons debated a climate-change bill that pledged the United Kingdom to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80% by 2050, London was hit by its first October snow since 1922. Apparently Mother Nature wasn't paying attention. The British people, however, are paying attention — to reality. A poll found that 60% of them doubt the claims that global warming is both man-made and urgent. Elsewhere, the Swiss lowlands last month received the most snow for any October since records began. Zurich got 20 centimeters, breaking the record of 14 centimeters set in 1939. Ocala, Fla., experienced its second-lowest October temperature since 1850. October temperatures fell to record lows in Oregon as well. On Oct. 10, Boise, Idaho, got the earliest snow in its history — 1.7 inches. That beat the old record by seven-tenths of an inch and one day on the calendar. In the Southern Hemisphere, where winter was winding down, Durban, South Africa, had its coldest September night in history in the middle of the month. Some regions of the country had unusual late-winter snows. A month earlier, New Zealand officials reported that Mount Ruapehu had its largest snow base ever. At the top of the world, the International Arctic Research Center reported last month, there was 29% more Arctic sea ice this year than last. None of this matters, of course, to the warming zealots. It doesn't matter if it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold. All of it, they say, is caused by global warming. We believe, however, as do many reputable scientists, that the warming and cooling of the Earth is a natural phenomenon dictated by forces beyond our control, from ocean currents to solar activity. The latest warming trend, which appears to have ended in 1998, is the result of the end of the Little Ice Age, which extended from roughly the 16th century to the 19th. During that period, Muir Glacier in Alaska filled Glacier Bay. In fact, when the first Russian explorers arrived in Alaska in the 1740s, there was no Glacier Bay — just a wall of ice where the entrance would be. As the Earth warmed, long before SUVs roamed the globe, Alaska's glaciers also warmed and began to recede, starting in the 1800s. All that may be changing. During the winter and summer of 2007-2008, unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually cold temperatures in June, July and August. "In June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound," says U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen in two decades. As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too." It's been "a long time on most glaciers," Molnia says, "where they've actually had positive mass balance." In other words, more snow is falling in the winter than melts in the summer, making the glaciers thicker in the middle. Glaciers can appear to be shrinking even as they are growing. Photos taken from ships can record receding edges even as mass is building inland. When they get thick enough, the weight forces the glacier to advance. The U.S. may owe its ascension to a global power on the global warming that began with the end of the Little Ice Age, which almost doomed the American Revolution. George Washington's famous winter at Valley Forge was part of that natural phenomenon. As the climate warmed from 1800 to 1900, the U.S. tripled in size, spreading westward to straddle a continent. The population of the windy and very cold trading post known as Chicago grew from 4,000 in 1800 to 1.5 million by 1900, sitting on a great lake carved by glaciers long since receded. Due to a decline in solar activity and other factors, the Earth is cooling and has been since 1998. And a peer-reviewed study published in April by Nature predicts the world will continue cooling at least through 2015. Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. -- ______________________________ C A L A M A R "If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?" - Hillel |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Gordon wrote in news:g9qdnfPgS_rKr4 : Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. That's very easy.....simply cut all government cash handouts to global warming college professors and global warming will cure itself overnight. Professional teat suckers, they'll find another grant to apply for within a few minutes. Global warming is caused by the SUN, just like the rest of life on earth. You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote in news:g9qdnfPgS_rKr4 : Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. That's very easy.....simply cut all government cash handouts to global warming college professors and global warming will cure itself overnight. Professional teat suckers, they'll find another grant to apply for within a few minutes. Global warming is caused by the SUN, just like the rest of life on earth. You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... Not only did many people who have investigated this issue, including myself, predict the current cooling trend; I'll go one step further: I'll bet $100 that within the next five years the Greens will jump on the mantra that CO2 (or whatever man made substance) is causing _global cooling_ and we are soon doomed to a global ice age thanks to mankind! They have already changed the talking point from "Global warming" to "Climate change," so no matter which way the facts point, they can still condemn mankind for thinking human beings are more valuable than trees. Stephen |
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Hummm.....................
I've been following this topic on another site where the debate has been raging for a couple of months. From what I can tell the vast majority of the scientific community firmly supports antrhropogenic warming and, if anything, the rate of warming is significantly faster than simulations predict. Of course there are a few nay sayers. I would recommend the following link to someone who was truly interested in the topic. Pretty good debate going on there. http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic44493-0-asc-0.html |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:q_SdnbwI46CU24
reasolutions: You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... So YOUR opinion is the only valid one? What a ****head. |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:31:12 -0500, hpeer wrote:
Hummm..................... I've been following this topic on another site where the debate has been raging for a couple of months. From what I can tell the vast majority of the scientific community firmly supports antrhropogenic warming and, if anything, the rate of warming is significantly faster than simulations predict. Of course there are a few nay sayers. I would recommend the following link to someone who was truly interested in the topic. Pretty good debate going on there. http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic44493-0-asc-0.html I don't pay too much attention to it except to have both summer and winter clothes, which should cover me. But I saw something on a science program that said the man-made atmospheric pollution has either kept us from an ice-age or from melting - can't remember which. Point is, it was counter-intuitive and just showed me how little we really know. Sort of like shivering is to warm you up. Body temp mechanism feedbacks are complex, but global stuff is in another dimension. Long time ago I read that we could melt the ice caps by dumping cargo plane loads of coal dust on them. I recall the oceans absorb solar heat, so to cool the earth we could dump plane loads of a floating reflective material onto the oceans. Maybe Christmas tree foil or that glitter stuff kids use with Elmer's glue. Best left to Dow Laboratories to come up with something, I suppose. Or maybe 3M or Dunkin Donuts. Something that won't clog boat cooling systems. Could get disastrous results, but that's why we tweak such projects. Yep, have to tweak a project like that sucker. Everybody should probably be issued an umbrella and a fan. And some canned food. Glad we got the mad scientists looking out for us, but if they fail the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers can take over. --Vic |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:02:58 +0000, someone posting as Larry purportedly
wrote: snip The Chinese have a proverb that may help provide some perspective. To be uncertain is to be uncomfortable, but to be certain is to be a fool. -- poking dumbasses in the forehead, till my finger hurts. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:q_SdnbwI46CU24 reasolutions: You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... So YOUR opinion is the only valid one? What a ****head. Never said that. I don't have all the facts or even most of the facts, and when that happens, I don't purport to know what's going on, unlike you, apparently. Additionally, I never called you a ****head, which sort of invalidates your claim, since personal attacks are the hallmark of desperation when defending one's opinions. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"wordsmith" wrote in message
m... On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:02:58 +0000, someone posting as Larry purportedly wrote: snip The Chinese have a proverb that may help provide some perspective. To be uncertain is to be uncomfortable, but to be certain is to be a fool. -- poking dumbasses in the forehead, till my finger hurts. Thank you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Vic Smith wrote:
Could get disastrous results, but that's why we tweak such projects. Yep, have to tweak a project like that sucker. Everybody should probably be issued an umbrella and a fan. And some canned food. Glad we got the mad scientists looking out for us, but if they fail the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers can take over. Vic, I like your thinking,, just add one thing to the umbrella and fan, a nice parka. Cheers Martin |
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On Nov 5, 3:56*pm, Gordon wrote:
Alarmists Still Heated Even As World Cools INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. Look ypou stupid ****. try reading somthing that does not originate from Fox News..... Its called GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE for a reason. Our weather is getting all messed up. the surprising thing is the latest research from NSF is showing a predictable patern....... and it aint good. Even the the most CONSERVATIVE organization out there is predicting and making fiscal decissions conting on GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE......... its called INSURACNCE COMPANINES ! Ya think they are a bunch of tree huggers???????? Bob Bob C A L A M A R |
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Bob wrote in news:d8e0ea23-cee0-4eee-a7ff-
: Its called GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE for a reason. Our weather is getting all messed up. the surprising thing is the latest research from NSF is showing a predictable patern....... and it aint good. http://www.google.com/search?q=Solar+intensity+cycles A little reading material.... Yes, the pattern is VERY regular, but not very predictable. Sunspot 1007 has gone over our horizon. The solar disk is, again, devoid of our sunspot friends. Ham radio sucks without or solar storm....dammit. Here's another reason from the spaceweather page: "KASATOCHI, WEEK 12: Twelve weeks ago in Alaska's Aleutian islands, the Kasatochi volcano erupted. More than a million tons of ash and sulfur dioxide rocketed into the stratosphere, giving rise to sunsets of rare beauty around the northern hemisphere. Those sunsets are still with us...." How we're going to blame Americans for either natural phenomenon is still under intense investigation eating millions of dollars at institutions across the country. Little human microbes are no match for the sheer power of a solar event. If humans mattered, our air would be filled with CARBON spewed forth for thousands of years, especially from the industrial revolution of the last 2 centuries. Our lakes would be knee deep in 2-cycle oil from intense pollution of the last 100 years of outboard motors. But, they're not. We don't live in a bubble, no matter how much NSF funding wishes we did. If you're still up, take a look at the Taurids in both hemispheres that peaked last night above the damnable clouds that kept me from spending the night watching them. Info is he http://www.imo.net/calendar/2008#tau |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Bob wrote in news:d8e0ea23-cee0-4eee-a7ff- : Its called GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE for a reason. Our weather is getting all messed up. the surprising thing is the latest research from NSF is showing a predictable patern....... and it aint good. http://www.google.com/search?q=Solar+intensity+cycles Read the first link again with your reading glasses on... "A 2006 study and review of existing literature, published in Nature, determined that there has been no net increase in solar brightness since the mid 1970s, and that changes in solar output within the past 400 years are unlikely to have played a major part in global warming.[6]" If it makes you feel better, you can call me a ****head again. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-11-05 22:07:12 -0500, Vic Smith said:
I recall the oceans absorb solar heat, so to cool the earth we could dump plane loads of a floating reflective material onto the oceans. Maybe Christmas tree foil or that glitter stuff kids use with Elmer's glue. Nah; a better solution would be to put something big between the Earth and the sun if it's too hot, a big mirror or a bunch of little ones somewhere up there if it's too cool. The technology and materials exist; cost is the biggie. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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The advantage of a steel hull just jumps out there doesn't it?
Steve "Gordon" wrote in message m... Alarmists Still Heated Even As World Cools INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted 11/4/2008 Climate Change: It's been a bad year for global warming alarmists. Record cold periods and snowfalls are occurring around the globe. The hell that the radicals have promised is freezing over. As the British House of Commons debated a climate-change bill that pledged the United Kingdom to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80% by 2050, London was hit by its first October snow since 1922. Apparently Mother Nature wasn't paying attention. The British people, however, are paying attention — to reality. A poll found that 60% of them doubt the claims that global warming is both man-made and urgent. Elsewhere, the Swiss lowlands last month received the most snow for any October since records began. Zurich got 20 centimeters, breaking the record of 14 centimeters set in 1939. Ocala, Fla., experienced its second-lowest October temperature since 1850. October temperatures fell to record lows in Oregon as well. On Oct. 10, Boise, Idaho, got the earliest snow in its history — 1.7 inches. That beat the old record by seven-tenths of an inch and one day on the calendar. In the Southern Hemisphere, where winter was winding down, Durban, South Africa, had its coldest September night in history in the middle of the month. Some regions of the country had unusual late-winter snows. A month earlier, New Zealand officials reported that Mount Ruapehu had its largest snow base ever. At the top of the world, the International Arctic Research Center reported last month, there was 29% more Arctic sea ice this year than last. None of this matters, of course, to the warming zealots. It doesn't matter if it's too dry or too wet, too hot or too cold. All of it, they say, is caused by global warming. We believe, however, as do many reputable scientists, that the warming and cooling of the Earth is a natural phenomenon dictated by forces beyond our control, from ocean currents to solar activity. The latest warming trend, which appears to have ended in 1998, is the result of the end of the Little Ice Age, which extended from roughly the 16th century to the 19th. During that period, Muir Glacier in Alaska filled Glacier Bay. In fact, when the first Russian explorers arrived in Alaska in the 1740s, there was no Glacier Bay — just a wall of ice where the entrance would be. As the Earth warmed, long before SUVs roamed the globe, Alaska's glaciers also warmed and began to recede, starting in the 1800s. All that may be changing. During the winter and summer of 2007-2008, unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually cold temperatures in June, July and August. "In June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound," says U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July." It was the worst summer he'd seen in two decades. As the Anchorage Daily News reports, "Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind if snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too." It's been "a long time on most glaciers," Molnia says, "where they've actually had positive mass balance." In other words, more snow is falling in the winter than melts in the summer, making the glaciers thicker in the middle. Glaciers can appear to be shrinking even as they are growing. Photos taken from ships can record receding edges even as mass is building inland. When they get thick enough, the weight forces the glacier to advance. The U.S. may owe its ascension to a global power on the global warming that began with the end of the Little Ice Age, which almost doomed the American Revolution. George Washington's famous winter at Valley Forge was part of that natural phenomenon. As the climate warmed from 1800 to 1900, the U.S. tripled in size, spreading westward to straddle a continent. The population of the windy and very cold trading post known as Chicago grew from 4,000 in 1800 to 1.5 million by 1900, sitting on a great lake carved by glaciers long since receded. Due to a decline in solar activity and other factors, the Earth is cooling and has been since 1998. And a peer-reviewed study published in April by Nature predicts the world will continue cooling at least through 2015. Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. -- ______________________________ C A L A M A R "If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?" - Hillel |
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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-05 22:07:12 -0500, Vic Smith said: I recall the oceans absorb solar heat, so to cool the earth we could dump plane loads of a floating reflective material onto the oceans. Maybe Christmas tree foil or that glitter stuff kids use with Elmer's glue. Nah; a better solution would be to put something big between the Earth and the sun if it's too hot, a big mirror or a bunch of little ones somewhere up there if it's too cool. The technology and materials exist; cost is the biggie. You are kidding, right? -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:17:52 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote in news:g9qdnfPgS_rKr4 : Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. That's very easy.....simply cut all government cash handouts to global warming college professors and global warming will cure itself overnight. Professional teat suckers, they'll find another grant to apply for within a few minutes. Global warming is caused by the SUN, just like the rest of life on earth. You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... Not only did many people who have investigated this issue, including myself, Bwhahahahahaaaaa! |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:44:41 +0000, Larry wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in news:q_SdnbwI46CU24 : You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... So YOUR opinion is the only valid one? What a ****head. Are you calling him a ****head because you recognize that he knows his ****? |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote in news:g9qdnfPgS_rKr4 : Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. That's very easy.....simply cut all government cash handouts to global warming college professors and global warming will cure itself overnight. Professional teat suckers, they'll find another grant to apply for within a few minutes. Global warming is caused by the SUN, just like the rest of life on earth. You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... And where do you think the heat in the earth's atmosphere comes from the twit obama. There are many very basic books in the library. Google library to learn the definition, and their location. |
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"Keith nuttle" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Gordon wrote in news:g9qdnfPgS_rKr4 : Now, if only we could get the warming alarmists to face facts and cool it as well. That's very easy.....simply cut all government cash handouts to global warming college professors and global warming will cure itself overnight. Professional teat suckers, they'll find another grant to apply for within a few minutes. Global warming is caused by the SUN, just like the rest of life on earth. You should probably stick to talking about things you know about... And where do you think the heat in the earth's atmosphere comes from the twit obama. There are many very basic books in the library. Google library to learn the definition, and their location. Suggestion... go read some of them. Ask if you need help! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Go sail, build a boat, fix the one you have, learn to tie a knot, or
sew a deck bucket, maybe learn to navigat or tat or something! |
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On 2008-11-06 05:16:26 -0500, cavelamb himself said:
Jere Lull wrote: On 2008-11-05 22:07:12 -0500, Vic Smith said: I recall the oceans absorb solar heat, so to cool the earth we could dump plane loads of a floating reflective material onto the oceans. Maybe Christmas tree foil or that glitter stuff kids use with Elmer's glue. Nah; a better solution would be to put something big between the Earth and the sun if it's too hot, a big mirror or a bunch of little ones somewhere up there if it's too cool. The technology and materials exist; cost is the biggie. You are kidding, right? Absolutely not at all. And it actually is on topic for the newsgroup ;-) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-06 05:16:26 -0500, cavelamb himself said: Jere Lull wrote: On 2008-11-05 22:07:12 -0500, Vic Smith said: I recall the oceans absorb solar heat, so to cool the earth we could dump plane loads of a floating reflective material onto the oceans. Maybe Christmas tree foil or that glitter stuff kids use with Elmer's glue. Nah; a better solution would be to put something big between the Earth and the sun if it's too hot, a big mirror or a bunch of little ones somewhere up there if it's too cool. The technology and materials exist; cost is the biggie. You are kidding, right? Absolutely not at all. And it actually is on topic for the newsgroup ;-) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail Programmers call that "vapor ware". And no, we do NOT have the technology for anything like that. HEck, we don't even have the technology to go to the moon at this time. -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
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On 2008-11-06 19:54:30 -0500, cavelamb himself said:
Absolutely not at all. And it actually is on topic for the newsgroup ;-) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail Programmers call that "vapor ware". Hey, I is one of them, too. I know the difference between not being able to deliver a promise (vapor) and noting that something is possible if someone wants to pay for its development (wish list). And no, we do NOT have the technology for anything like that. I agree that we couldn't do what I suggest tomorrow, but I'm surprised how many advancements have been made since I last checked in, how many creditable tests, both with sails and solar panels, how many probes have used the underlying techniques successfully. That they have problems getting the deployment tests launched successfully is hardly a condemnation of the technology, given what has been demonstrated. Hell, blame the damn Russian rockets that can't get it up. If you want to compare this to anything, I'd point to how much closer we are to that than we were when JFK challenged us to fly men to the moon. At the time, we had trouble getting rockets off the launch pad, much less into space. HEck, we don't even have the technology to go to the moon at this time. The technology is proven. It's a HARDware issue! = Not MY problem ;-) -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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